DUST Search - Small turrets

Nova Knife wrote:

Small missiles on dropships are pretty lulzy.

The 'nerf' back a few builds ago where they cut the splash radius didn't change the fact that they had hilariously good damage. It's trickier to hit people now but a direct hit can OHK pretty much any suit, and splash does some pretty hefty damage too. They are pretty amazing for AV work as well.

Railguns are sort of in the same boat, but the aiming woes are really apparent here. If you can actually hit anything directly, you can OHK any suit. Splash is basically impossible because the radius is less than a single step as far as the engine is concerned. You pretty much have to hit them between the feet to splash them with a small rail. Broken modifier against vehicles makes them AP only, when they should be amazing at AV given their direct damage

Small blasters are basically souped up ARs, pretty awesome for dogfights in assault dropships but for the most part being in small blaster optimal range puts you in AV nade range. That makes me kind of sadface but I like the idea of range difference in weapon types. These would be in a really nice place if railguns weren't a nightmare to use :P

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Herpn Derpidus Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 11	Posted - 2013.05.16 19:29:00 - [1] - Quote this is just my opinion but to me all small turrets are total trash right now, id rather sit on the car with my assault rifle than use the turrets, they cant hit targets for anything, and if the vehicle is moving, wich it almost always is or should be, im not gona hit anything, especialy with missiles
SickJ sephiroth clones General Tso's Alliance 61	Posted - 2013.05.17 04:55:00 - [2] - Quote I feel you. It seems like a gun mounted on a vehicle should be more powerful than one you can hold 1-handed. At least blasters have decent range.
Tankin Tarkus Quafe Runners 8	Posted - 2013.05.17 05:18:00 - [3] - Quote after the10% weapon buff i believe AR's are actually slightly stronger than 20GJ blasters and the AR's are also blasters i believe but the 20GJ blasters have longer range and once u get used to leading arent too bad to use rails on the other hand i never use and never will and im liking missiles now after their buff far more accurate than they used to be i use the AT-1 cycled missile launchers(i think thats what they were called the ADV ones) on all my vehicles once i get the sp even considering upgrading to proto cycled
CharCharOdell 5o1st 82	Posted - 2013.05.17 07:08:00 - [4] - Quote Herpn Derpidus wrote: this is just my opinion but to me all small turrets are total trash right now, id rather sit on the car with my assault rifle than use the turrets, they cant hit targets for anything, and if the vehicle is moving, wich it almost always is or should be, im not gona hit anything, especialy with missiles small missiles are better than blasters if you put them in the hands of a tanker - try it sometime and you'll be amazed. blasters do need to out DPS adv assault weapons, tho. rails are still garbage. need an accuracy increase to 95% accurate
Nova Knife Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 922	Posted - 2013.05.17 07:27:00 - [5] - Quote Small missiles on dropships are pretty lulzy. The 'nerf' back a few builds ago where they cut the splash radius didn't change the fact that they had hilariously good damage. It's trickier to hit people now but a direct hit can OHK pretty much any suit, and splash does some pretty hefty damage too. They are pretty amazing for AV work as well. Railguns are sort of in the same boat, but the aiming woes are really apparent here. If you can actually hit anything directly, you can OHK any suit. Splash is basically impossible because the radius is less than a single step as far as the engine is concerned. You pretty much have to hit them between the feet to splash them with a small rail. Broken modifier against vehicles makes them AP only, when they should be amazing at AV given their direct damage Small blasters are basically souped up ARs, pretty awesome for dogfights in assault dropships but for the most part being in small blaster optimal range puts you in AV nade range. That makes me kind of sadface but I like the idea of range difference in weapon types. These would be in a really nice place if railguns weren't a nightmare to use :P
Herpn Derpidus Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 21	Posted - 2013.05.21 18:15:00 - [6] - Quote Nova Knife wrote: Small missiles on dropships are pretty lulzy. The 'nerf' back a few builds ago where they cut the splash radius didn't change the fact that they had hilariously good damage. It's trickier to hit people now but a direct hit can OHK pretty much any suit, and splash does some pretty hefty damage too. They are pretty amazing for AV work as well. Railguns are sort of in the same boat, but the aiming woes are really apparent here. If you can actually hit anything directly, you can OHK any suit. Splash is basically impossible because the radius is less than a single step as far as the engine is concerned. You pretty much have to hit them between the feet to splash them with a small rail. Broken modifier against vehicles makes them AP only, when they should be amazing at AV given their direct damage Small blasters are basically souped up ARs, pretty awesome for dogfights in assault dropships but for the most part being in small blaster optimal range puts you in AV nade range. That makes me kind of sadface but I like the idea of range difference in weapon types. These would be in a really nice place if railguns weren't a nightmare to use :P my problem for blasters is they are too acurate to really land hits on someone while your in a moving vehicle, theres a reason no one uses LAVs to drive around and kill with the turrets successfully, and the rockets atleast for me go whatever direction they feel like as soon as the vehicle moves
Skihids The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION 1445	Posted - 2013.05.21 18:51:00 - [7] - Quote There's a reason why those of us who play Death Race 514 crush our victims with the grill of our LAVs. It's not only far more effective, it's also far more fun.
Herpn Derpidus Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 22	Posted - 2013.05.21 19:14:00 - [8] - Quote Skihids wrote: There's a reason why those of us who play Death Race 514 crush our victims with the grill of our LAVs. It's not only far more effective, it's also far more fun. yea and thats a problem, the big super advanced turret on top of the car is no where near as useful as the front bumper
Skihids The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION 1447	Posted - 2013.05.21 19:27:00 - [9] - Quote Herpn Derpidus wrote: Skihids wrote: There's a reason why those of us who play Death Race 514 crush our victims with the grill of our LAVs. It's not only far more effective, it's also far more fun. yea and thats a problem, the big super advanced turret on top of the car is no where near as useful as the front bumper That's why I made this request to let us swap the turret for a "vehicle melee" weaponized front grill. Check it out and support my request!
Psychotic Shooter Opus Arcana Orion Empire 63	Posted - 2013.05.21 19:42:00 - [10] - Quote Herpn Derpidus wrote: this is just my opinion but to me all small turrets are total trash right now, id rather sit on the car with my assault rifle than use the turrets, they cant hit targets for anything, and if the vehicle is moving, wich it almost always is or should be, im not gona hit anything, especialy with missiles I will say that if you skill into turret operations and the type of turret you use they are deadly. get yourself a good HAV, LAV or dropship pilot with said weapon fitted and you will kill a load of people

Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar Silver Bullet Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 21	Posted - 2013.05.21 19:53:00 - [11] - Quote how bout a vehicle fitted swarmlauncher or pasma cannon or those laser turrets, lets break those off the shelf
Mary Sedillo XERCORE E X T E R M I N A T U S 76	Posted - 2013.05.21 20:41:00 - [12] - Quote Herpn Derpidus wrote: this is just my opinion but to me all small turrets are total trash right now, id rather sit on the car with my assault rifle than use the turrets, they cant hit targets for anything, and if the vehicle is moving, wich it almost always is or should be, im not gona hit anything, especialy with missiles Missile Turrets on Dropships are the face roll. Here is my thought process behind it: Have an Infantry Problem? Throw Rockets at it! Decent Splash Radius - Can OHK most things in 1 hit, or -2 to 3 on a Prototype Suit - No overheat! Have an Installation Problem? Throw Rockets at it! Installations have low shielding (except for those fecking CRUs) and Explosive damage really hurts armor. Steady damage output = one dead installation. Have a Tank Problem? Throw Rockets at it! Armor tanks WILL get facerolled with some direct Prototype Accelerated Missile Launcher Hits. Shield tanks will hold for as long as their reps hold out and once their shields go down, they WILL explode with 1-2 hits. A dropship can just park above them and to the left or right outside of their firing range and shoot at will. They MIGHT hit you with their top small turret, but 9 out of 10 times, your damage > than theirs. Have a Dropship problem? Throw Rockets at it! Same idea as with tanks, but with the difficulty of hitting a faster target. Gallente Dropships will be hurting badly from from rocket hits, and once Caldari ones lose their shields, they are squishy squishy. Also, RANGE. The rockets can hit target well inside the red line (especially their damnable turret installations) and save yourself unnecessary pain. So, don't you see? Small Railguns and Blasters are the fail. You have to have godly skills to nail anything with the railgun. Against installations, they are not so great against. Why? Overheat and the damage type is not great against armor. Against infantry, their radius of damage is too small and the need to be pinpoint is too high. Also, you tend to overheat before you hit anything. Blasters are better than rails but do not cover the wide breadth of usefulness that a rocket turret will cover. A prototype blaster will mow through infantry like a boss, but it will not do the necessary damage to take out installations, it will not take out tanks, and the range is sadly pathetic. So, next time you consider what turrets to stick on your Dropship, go rockets all the way.


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