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Dusters Blog Galactic News Network 301	Posted - 2013.05.16 13:36:00 - [1] - Quote We like the way Dust 514 refuses to support cheap gameplay. Beginning snipers, for example, are support players. Any discussion about snipers in Dust will be filled with tears by snipers used to 'easy' mechanics for the lack of one shot kills and the scope sway in this title. The game demands that you be an actual skilled sniper and not simply a person trying to quick scope, or interact as little as possible away from the battle to boost your KDR. The reload times, limited ammo, movement penalties and fire rates on other high damage weapons show this same pattern. Plasma Launchers, Flaylock Pistols, Forge Guns and thankfully now even Mass Drivers are balanced so they will not reward players with the cheap kills so often seen in FPS. We were delighted to see how CCP engaged the community when Cloaking Device discussion started. The devs wanted to know what elements we wanted to see. Many players were fearful of traits of Cloaks they had seen in past games and wanted to make sure the campaign against cheap mechanics was still in place. We applaud this. So with all of this consistency, its baffling to consider how poorly current LAVs [now affectionately known as Murder Taxis] have been balanced. read the rest here tinyurl.com/bbzaho4
Reiki Jubo Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 110	Posted - 2013.05.16 13:38:00 - [2] - Quote good point about tanks.
Phoenix Arakyd Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 98	Posted - 2013.05.16 13:38:00 - [3] - Quote Hacked packed AV grenades. /thread
boba's fetta Thukker Tribe Holdings Inc. Gathering Of Nomadic Explorers 86	Posted - 2013.05.16 13:39:00 - [4] - Quote i balance murder taxi's with my swarm launcher.
EnglishSnake Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 1059	Posted - 2013.05.16 13:40:00 - [5] - Quote I dont see murder taxis that much I have my own and they are upgraded but other than that not that big of a problem
LeCuch Red Star. EoN. 113	Posted - 2013.05.16 13:40:00 - [6] - Quote Phoenix Arakyd wrote: Hacked packed AV grenades. /thread Yeah considering everyone intelligent bought like 1,000 of those, they insta kill some LAVs so whats the problem.
Tolen Rosas Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 173	Posted - 2013.05.16 13:40:00 - [7] - Quote LAVS..................the new tanks of Dust 514.
Prius Vecht Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 92	Posted - 2013.05.16 13:42:00 - [8] - Quote LeCuch wrote: Phoenix Arakyd wrote: Hacked packed AV grenades. /thread Yeah considering everyone intelligent bought like 1,000 of those, they insta kill some LAVs so whats the problem. you're one of the worst abusers....I watched you drive around in 2 games last night with your gold LAV running over noobs the entire game. Trying to keep your style of play me thinks.
Zarr Du'Kar Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION 47	Posted - 2013.05.16 13:42:00 - [9] - Quote LAV base hps were great pre-buff. You can OHK (forge,AV,swarms) those free LAVs which to me was balanced since they are free LAVs. Instead of balancing the base HP they should've buffed the modules that gives HP to the vehicles. By doing so, they are rewarding the people who actually spend sp into the appropriate skills rather than having every joe use free ones to run over people with immunity due to its buffed hp and speed. Roll-back the buff on LAVs and give it to the dropships who needs it more.
Tolen Rosas Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 173	Posted - 2013.05.16 13:43:00 - [10] - Quote Prius Vecht wrote: LeCuch wrote: Phoenix Arakyd wrote: Hacked packed AV grenades. /thread Yeah considering everyone intelligent bought like 1,000 of those, they insta kill some LAVs so whats the problem. you're one of the worst abusers....I watched you drive around in 2 games last night with your gold LAV running over noobs the entire game. Trying to keep your style of play me thinks. lolololol LameCuch from here on.

LeCuch Red Star. EoN. 113	Posted - 2013.05.16 13:46:00 - [11] - Quote Tolen Rosas wrote: Prius Vecht wrote: LeCuch wrote: Phoenix Arakyd wrote: Hacked packed AV grenades. /thread Yeah considering everyone intelligent bought like 1,000 of those, they insta kill some LAVs so whats the problem. you're one of the worst abusers....I watched you drive around in 2 games last night with your gold LAV running over noobs the entire game. Trying to keep your style of play me thinks. lolololol LameCuch from here on. Noobs? I was running over Hellstormers ^-^ but yeah if you know how to build an LAV they are good. It should take more then one swarm to kill a proto LAV, mine cost 230k ISK for
Cybus Trama'dol EYE Security Task Force and Resources Acquisition 52	Posted - 2013.05.16 13:46:00 - [12] - Quote Theres a whole thread of peopl trying to justify why they aren't broken here
SoTa of PoP Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 245	Posted - 2013.05.16 13:47:00 - [13] - Quote Get this clear: Murder Taxi's aren't doing ****. The weak range on HMG is the problem. How do you expect us to do anything BUT murder taxi when it's the only choice available to us to be even slightly useful?
xxMemphis KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 23	Posted - 2013.05.16 13:50:00 - [14] - Quote Everyone says use AV nades, swarm launchers..... If I use a swarm launcher then I am crippled against enemies. If I have to equip AV nades that also handicaps...if it was just a few LAVs it would not be bad but its 8-10 all the time in some matches. And I know you can just swap out at a supply depot....but guess what they always get destroyed since CCP feels the need to make it easily blown up...
steadyhand amarr BetaMax Beta CRONOS. 542	Posted - 2013.05.16 13:50:00 - [15] - Quote I was unaware this was an issue but I guess that explains the increase on lav kills iv been getting
LeCuch Red Star. EoN. 113	Posted - 2013.05.16 13:53:00 - [16] - Quote xxMemphis wrote: Everyone says use AV nades, swarm launchers..... If I use a swarm launcher then I am crippled against enemies. If I have to equip AV nades that also handicaps...if it was just a few LAVs it would not be bad but its 8-10 all the time in some matches. And I know you can just swap out at a supply depot....but guess what they always get destroyed since CCP feels the need to make it easily blown up... The only people that complain are guys that dont run any AV and are upset the AR cant kill a vehicle
CHICAGOCUBS4EVER TeamPlayers EoN. 292	Posted - 2013.05.16 13:54:00 - [17] - Quote SoTa of PoP wrote: Get this clear: Murder Taxi's aren't doing ****. The weak range on HMG is the problem. How do you expect us to do anything BUT murder taxi when it's the only choice available to us to be even slightly useful? he is talking about a different type of murder taxi.. where the taxi does the killing. the amount of LAV spam is increasing at an alarming rate, and while I am seeing more leveled LAVs than ever before, the sheer amount of cars on the map at any given time is getting crazy
LeCuch Red Star. EoN. 113	Posted - 2013.05.16 13:57:00 - [18] - Quote CHICAGOCUBS4EVER wrote: SoTa of PoP wrote: Get this clear: Murder Taxi's aren't doing ****. The weak range on HMG is the problem. How do you expect us to do anything BUT murder taxi when it's the only choice available to us to be even slightly useful? he is talking about a different type of murder taxi.. where the taxi does the killing. the amount of LAV spam is increasing at an alarming rate, and while I am seeing more leveled LAVs than ever before, the sheer amount of cars on the map at any given time is getting crazy Shush cubs you have proto AV .-.
SoTa of PoP Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 245	Posted - 2013.05.16 14:00:00 - [19] - Quote LeCuch wrote: CHICAGOCUBS4EVER wrote: SoTa of PoP wrote: Get this clear: Murder Taxi's aren't doing ****. The weak range on HMG is the problem. How do you expect us to do anything BUT murder taxi when it's the only choice available to us to be even slightly useful? he is talking about a different type of murder taxi.. where the taxi does the killing. the amount of LAV spam is increasing at an alarming rate, and while I am seeing more leveled LAVs than ever before, the sheer amount of cars on the map at any given time is getting crazy Shush cubs you have proto AV .-. Those LAV's are the only way my weak ass range isn't factored in so hard - they either come to me or I to them. If LAV numbers go down so will my ability to kill. CCP has no idea how to balance a damn game and I'm grateful for all the LAV's coming at me.
LeCuch Red Star. EoN. 115	Posted - 2013.05.16 14:08:00 - [20] - Quote SoTa of PoP wrote: LeCuch wrote: CHICAGOCUBS4EVER wrote: SoTa of PoP wrote: Get this clear: Murder Taxi's aren't doing ****. The weak range on HMG is the problem. How do you expect us to do anything BUT murder taxi when it's the only choice available to us to be even slightly useful? he is talking about a different type of murder taxi.. where the taxi does the killing. the amount of LAV spam is increasing at an alarming rate, and while I am seeing more leveled LAVs than ever before, the sheer amount of cars on the map at any given time is getting crazy Shush cubs you have proto AV .-. Those LAV's are the only way my weak ass range isn't factored in so hard - they either come to me or I to them. If LAV numbers go down so will my ability to kill. CCP has no idea how to balance a damn game and I'm grateful for all the LAV's coming at me. You missed it we played Hellstorm the other day and i roadkilled atleast 4 of them

Maximus Stryker Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 462	Posted - 2013.05.16 14:08:00 - [21] - Quote Not my original idea (hat tip Semper Fi 1999) but I do believe it is worth discussing: Entry and exit time of vehicles Scout: .5 seconds Assault: 1 second Logi: 2 seconds Heavy: 3 seconds Or perhaps their can be an algorithm that draws a correlation between movement speed of the dropsuit the player is wearing and the time it takes to enter/exit a vehicle. I believe slowing down how fast a player can enter or exit a vehicle will reduce murder taxing in general. I like the armor buff to keep them alive for longer periods of time to use as intended and feel the time delay will reduce the undesirable murder taxi.
Mike Poole Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 12	Posted - 2013.05.16 14:09:00 - [22] - Quote LeCuch wrote: Phoenix Arakyd wrote: Hacked packed AV grenades. /thread Yeah considering everyone intelligent bought like 1,000 of those, they insta kill some LAVs so whats the problem. The problem is that as soon as you've blown them up they just call in another from their infinite supply and go right back to racking up instant kills mowing people down until someone manages to blow them up again and then the cycle just repeats over and over.
EverNub IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 4	Posted - 2013.05.16 14:18:00 - [23] - Quote Mike Poole wrote: LeCuch wrote: Phoenix Arakyd wrote: Hacked packed AV grenades. /thread Yeah considering everyone intelligent bought like 1,000 of those, they insta kill some LAVs so whats the problem. The problem is that as soon as you've blown them up they just call in another from their infinite supply and go right back to racking up instant kills mowing people down until someone manages to blow them up again and then the cycle just repeats over and over. Yah kids in free lavs are useless just av them and move on with ur life. If I spend 255k on a lav then im more careful plus it has 4k hp with hardners rechargers and resistance amps. Murder taxi indeed
Surt gods end Demon Ronin 107	Posted - 2013.05.16 14:21:00 - [24] - Quote they aren't that hard to dodge. sometimes I think I'm having as much fun dodging as they are trying to hit me. lol
martinofski Rebelles A Quebec Orion Empire 100	Posted - 2013.05.16 14:23:00 - [25] - Quote I see alot more LAV around, which is great, for some reason, I see alot less AV grenades around. Maybe alot of people just didn't put any SP in grenades. The only good change they could do to LAV is their Radar scan profile, currently, it can be as stealth as a scout suit for some reason. You do hear him around, but he doesn't show in the radar and then BAM. Hit from the back. I don't want to throw 1 AV grenade to a jeep to blow it, but 2-3 proto is the complete opposite. Probably 2 std packed AV nades would be ok in my eyes, this with a increased scan profile, So we can see them coming before they actually are right over us. Health is not to far from being fine I guess.
Yeva Kalsani Reckoners 72	Posted - 2013.05.16 14:48:00 - [26] - Quote During open beta a lot of people rightfully complained that there was little reason to skill into LAVs because riding one was a guaranteed deathtrap to a simple AV grenade or militia Forge Gun, and that's where the buff to their HP makes sense. Anybody skilled into Forge Guns still takes the free ones out in one single shot, the rampant murder taxis are giving Forge Gunners free kills, but a good LAV can tank more than one shot. I think this is a good thing, overall. What's not so good, and I agree on that point, is that it does indeed automatically reduce Shield and Armor of a dropsuit completely to zero, and take no damage itself for it. There needs to be a proper damage model, based on the speed of a LAV, and a damage calculation based on that; something like (kilometers per hour of speed +ù 5) of damage dealt to someone hit by a vehicle, for instance. The vehicle should also take damage based on the weight class of the dropsuit it runs over; something like kilometers per hour of speed +50 for light frame, +150 for medium frame, and +450 for heavy frame dropsuits, for example.
Kushmir Nadian Valor Coalition RISE of LEGION 230	Posted - 2013.05.16 14:52:00 - [27] - Quote Zarr is spot-on. They need to return to pre-update levels because roadkill is Lamesauce. What is this Twisted Metal? If you hit a guy going full speed there needs to be a damage for that, not some auto-kill. He only dies if it takes away all of his shields and armor left. LAVs with HP close to militia HAVs? COME ON. If someone specs hard in LAVs and makes a formidable one? FINE. But making stock LAVs that eat 3 packed AVs? NO WAY.
Tolen Rosas Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 173	Posted - 2013.05.16 14:59:00 - [28] - Quote Mike Poole wrote: LeCuch wrote: Phoenix Arakyd wrote: Hacked packed AV grenades. /thread Yeah considering everyone intelligent bought like 1,000 of those, they insta kill some LAVs so whats the problem. The problem is that as soon as you've blown them up they just call in another from their infinite supply and go right back to racking up instant kills mowing people down until someone manages to blow them up again and then the cycle just repeats over and over. this. they need to pay for each one of those. Free Lavs a bad idea.
MinivanSurvivor L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION 8	Posted - 2013.05.16 14:59:00 - [29] - Quote Kushmir Nadian wrote: Zarr is spot-on. They need to return to pre-update levels because roadkill is Lamesauce. What is this Twisted Metal? If you hit a guy going full speed there needs to be a damage for that, not some auto-kill. He only dies if it takes away all of his shields and armor left. LAVs with HP close to militia HAVs? COME ON. If someone specs hard in LAVs and makes a formidable one? FINE. But making stock LAVs that eat 3 packed AVs? NO WAY. Uhhh, stock LAVs take 3 packed AV nades? LoL, NO.
EnglishSnake Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 1061	Posted - 2013.05.16 15:08:00 - [30] - Quote MinivanSurvivor wrote: Kushmir Nadian wrote: Zarr is spot-on. They need to return to pre-update levels because roadkill is Lamesauce. What is this Twisted Metal? If you hit a guy going full speed there needs to be a damage for that, not some auto-kill. He only dies if it takes away all of his shields and armor left. LAVs with HP close to militia HAVs? COME ON. If someone specs hard in LAVs and makes a formidable one? FINE. But making stock LAVs that eat 3 packed AVs? NO WAY. Uhhh, stock LAVs take 3 packed AV nades? LoL, NO. 1 AV nade if its unaltered If its 3 your against an LAV which has been upgraded Im fine with milita free LAVs getting whacked easily enough but if you upgrade it should be harder to kill Next will be the call to kill LAVs with half an AR clip because a couple of AV nades is too much



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