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Severance Pay
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.05.16 02:03:00 -
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I am currently getting my dropsuit's hybrid weapon buff with plasma canon. Does that mean plasma is hybrid or is this a bug? If plasma is hybrid, what makes a weapon hybrid? |
NeoWraith Acedia
Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.05.16 02:07:00 -
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Nothing but flavor text, but yes, it is hybrid, as are most rail weapons. |
Icy Xenosmilus
Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.05.16 02:07:00 -
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Hybrid are AR's as far as I know. Plasma Launcher may either be hybrid or explosive. Most likely the latter. |
Severance Pay
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.05.16 02:12:00 -
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Icy Xenosmilus wrote:Hybrid are AR's as far as I know. Plasma Launcher may either be hybrid or explosive. Most likely the latter. Then the hybrid bonus I am getting is a bug? Or is plasma hybrid? |
NeoWraith Acedia
Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.05.16 02:15:00 -
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Most plasma weapons are hybrids, I can't think of any that aren't. |
Severance Pay
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.05.16 02:15:00 -
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NeoWraith Acedia wrote:Nothing but flavor text, but yes, it is hybrid, as are most rail weapons. Thanks |
Mithridates VI
IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.05.16 02:15:00 -
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Explosive weapons more effective against armor than shields.
Hybrid weapons, based on plasma bursts, are equally effective against shields and armor.
Laser weapons are more effective against shields than armor.
Projectile weapons are slightly less effective against shields than armor. |
Mia Romani
Nexus Marines
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Posted - 2013.05.16 02:20:00 -
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In general, there are only 3 categories of gun: Laser, projectile, hybrid (missiles are a totally different story).
Hybrids are the most common type of weapon, being made by both Caldari and Gallente.
Laser weapons are pretty easy to spot. Projectile weapons are the ones that look & feel a bit like real-world tech: HMGs, artillery, grenade launchers, etc etc. They tend to be simple weapons that are probably still using gunpowder to do their thing.
Hybrids are the "none of the above" category. If it's not a pure energy weapon, and if it's not a purely projectile weapon, then it'll be some mix of the two (aka a hybrid blend of energy and projectile based tech).
Plasma definitely falls into the hybrid category: It's not a laser, and it's not a simple lump of metal being fired out of a tube by gunpowder. |
General Grodd
Ahrendee Mercenaries
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Posted - 2013.05.16 02:22:00 -
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Severance Pay wrote:I am currently getting my dropsuit's hybrid weapon buff with plasma canon. Does that mean plasma is hybrid or is this a bug? If plasma is hybrid, what makes a weapon hybrid? Hybrid weapons are weapons that don't do reduced nor bonus damage against any HP type.-á
-Example of a NON hybrid weapon: -áLasers do bonus damage against shields, and reduced damage against armor.-á
-Example: Hybrid turrets don't do any bonus nor reduced damage against any HP type. |
Zeylon Rho
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.05.16 02:23:00 -
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They should probably just label the damage type somewhere in the weapon stats lists anyway. It won't be apparent to any new players that "hybrid" means anything at all when they're loo |
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Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
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Posted - 2013.05.16 02:27:00 -
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Logically, based on the lore, it could arguably be a hybrid or an energy weapon.
There's no rational basis for the claim that a Plasma weapon would be explosive.
From a balance perspective, I was hoping to see it as an energy weapon, because that means reduced armour damage, and higher shield damage - it already has this profile, but not to as great an extent as I had hoped. It would have been nice for our other LIght AV weapon to be a more direct contrast to the Swarm Launcher.
That being said, there are a few basic options when looking at weaponry in New Eden.
Energy weapons: Lasers and the like. These direct energy into the target in a relatively direct fashion.
Projectile weapons: These direct kinetic energy into the target by launching a solid object into the target.
Explosives: These use a projectile, but as a delibery system for an explosion, which hits with concussive force across the target's surface rather than point-focused impact like a standard projectile.
Hybrid: These are further divided into two types: Railguns, which hyper-accelerate a projectile and get a plasma reaction from sheer speed (friction on the way down the barrel, and sufficient heat generation in addition to the impact force to be worth considering as a factor in damage calculations. Blasters, which work from the other direction, confining charged plasma inside an electromagnetic bubble and compressing it. The density of the plasma causes it to act more almost like a solid projectile, giving it a different damage profile from a regular energy weapon.
Given the above, the Plasma Cannon, which contains charged plasma inside an electromagnetic field, could be argued as a hybrid, but with looser containment than Blasters use, it could also be argued that the weapon's damage profile should be more akin to an energy weapon. |
NeoWraith Acedia
Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.05.16 02:29:00 -
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General Grodd wrote:Severance Pay wrote:I am currently getting my dropsuit's hybrid weapon buff with plasma canon. Does that mean plasma is hybrid or is this a bug? If plasma is hybrid, what makes a weapon hybrid? Hybrid weapons are weapons that don't do reduced nor bonus damage against any HP type.-á -Example of a NON hybrid weapon: -áLasers do bonus damage against shields, and reduced damage against armor.-á -Example: Hybrid turrets don't do any bonus nor reduced damage against any HP type.
-Example: AR does 110% to shields and 90% to armor. Despite that, it is a hybrid weapon
It's just lore and doesn't actually mean anything most of the time. Why do people always say they do equal damage? ARs certainly don't. |
General Grodd
Ahrendee Mercenaries
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Posted - 2013.05.16 02:38:00 -
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NeoWraith Acedia wrote:General Grodd wrote:Severance Pay wrote:I am currently getting my dropsuit's hybrid weapon buff with plasma canon. Does that mean plasma is hybrid or is this a bug? If plasma is hybrid, what makes a weapon hybrid? Hybrid weapons are weapons that don't do reduced nor bonus damage against any HP type.-á -Example of a NON hybrid weapon: -áLasers do bonus damage against shields, and reduced damage against armor.-á -Example: Hybrid turrets don't do any bonus nor reduced damage against any HP type. -Example: AR does 110% to shields and 90% to armor. Despite that, it is a hybrid weapon It's just lore and doesn't actually mean anything most of the time. Why do people always say they do equal damage? ARs certainly don't. I thought ARs were Projectile weapons, not hybrid weapons.-á |
NeoWraith Acedia
Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.05.16 02:40:00 -
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Nope. |
General Grodd
Ahrendee Mercenaries
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Posted - 2013.05.16 02:42:00 -
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Electromagnetic
Electromagnetic damage is based on electromagnetic radiation. This type of damage can be inflicted by lasers, certain types of missiles, and certain types of projectile rounds. Amarr drones do this type of damage.
Shields are typically the most vulnerable to this type of damage.
Armor is typically the least vulnerable to this type of damage.
Thermal
Thermal damage pertains to applied heat on an enemy target. Lasers can provide this type of damage with different crystals loaded. Certain types of missiles, projectile ammunition, and all hybrid turrets will provide this damage type. Gallente drones do this type of damage.
Shields and armor have moderate resistance to this damage type.
Kinetic
Kinetic damage pertains to physical impacts of an object against another. This damage type is dealt by all hybrid turrets, some projectile ammunition, and some missile types. Caldari drones do this type of damage.
Shields have the second highest resistance against kinetic damage.
Armor has the second lowest resistance against kinetic damage.
Explosive
Explosive damage pertains to damage caused due to the explosions of a munition against a target. This damage type is inflicted by some types of Missiles and some types of Projectile turrets. Lasers and hybrid turrets are unable to inflict explosive damage. Minmatar drones do this type of damage.
Shields have the highest resistance against explosive damage, whilst armor has the lowest. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2013.05.16 03:06:00 -
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It uses matter (plasma material) and 'massive' amounts energy to deal damage, its considered hybrid for this reason alone.
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Vallud Eadesso
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.05.16 03:08:00 -
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Severance Pay wrote:I am currently getting my dropsuit's hybrid weapon buff with plasma canon. Does that mean plasma is hybrid or is this a bug? If plasma is hybrid, what makes a weapon hybrid?
If the game follows EVE (And up to now it does): Gallente Blasters (Our current assault rifles) Railguns and 99% of caldari tech that ain't missiles, are Hybrid. As the Plasma cannon is Gallente, i'm willing put a small amount of ISK on it being Hybrid.
Let me know if i'm right? |
Mia Romani
Nexus Marines
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Posted - 2013.05.16 03:14:00 -
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At fanfest, they mentioned they were bringing out other racial variants of the ARs, and weapon types are racial.
Gallente AR: Short range hybrid (the current AR is this) Caldari AR: Long range hybrid Amarr AR: Laser (I believe the scrambler rifle might be this) Minmatar AR: Projectile (they showed some concepts of what it would look like at fanfest, and they expect it will become the new standard AR).
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Mia Romani
Nexus Marines
2
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Posted - 2013.05.16 03:16:00 -
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While I'm at it, damage types aren't that cut & dry...
Lasers do EM & thermal damage Hybrids to do kinetic & thermal damage Projectiles, drones & missiles do whatever the hell damage they want. Yes, EM missiles are a normal thing in the Eve universe. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2013.05.16 03:18:00 -
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Scrambler weapons are fusion radiation bolters mostly and not inducted lasers. They're still mostly energy weapons and the neutron beams they fire can screw with your suit quite a bit and would eventually kill the user as well. |
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