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konas gut Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.05.16 01:26:00 - [1] - Quote Proof that CCP is being ripped off below quoted from another post: "This was the ccp response to my petition asking about the price differences 2013.05.15 10:26:00 GM Avantgarde Hello, We can understand why you would like a clarification over the price of Merc Pack in different countries. Once we set the price on a game, SONY then would localise the price for each country based on local currency and taxes. Please accept our sincere apologies and we thank you for the understanding. If we could be your assistance on any DUST 514 issue in the future, please contact us again. Best Regards, GM Avantgarde CCP Customer Support \| EVE Online \| DUST 514" If CCP always gets the same payment from PSN sales then Sony is ripping them off big time. Merc Pack prices UK = 20 pounds = 30 usd -- Extra profit for sony = 10 usd per pack US = 20 usd = 20 usd AUS = 35 aud = 35 usd -- Extra profit for sony = 15 usd per pack CCP don't stand for this blatant rip-off
NeoWraith Acedia Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 456	Posted - 2013.05.16 01:28:00 - [2] - Quote That's what happens when you rely on retailers
DigiOps Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 244	Posted - 2013.05.16 01:29:00 - [3] - Quote Look at this.
SoTa of PoP Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 237	Posted - 2013.05.16 01:30:00 - [4] - Quote konas gut wrote: Proof that CCP is being ripped off below quoted from another post: "This was the ccp response to my petition asking about the price differences 2013.05.15 10:26:00 GM Avantgarde Hello, We can understand why you would like a clarification over the price of Merc Pack in different countries. Once we set the price on a game, SONY then would localise the price for each country based on local currency and taxes. Please accept our sincere apologies and we thank you for the understanding. If we could be your assistance on any DUST 514 issue in the future, please contact us again. Best Regards, GM Avantgarde CCP Customer Support \| EVE Online \| DUST 514" If CCP always gets the same payment from PSN sales then Sony is ripping them off big time. Merc Pack prices UK = 20 pounds = 30 usd -- Extra profit for sony = 10 usd per pack US = 20 usd = 20 usd AUS = 35 aud = 35 usd -- Extra profit for sony = 15 usd per pack CCP don't stand for this blatant rip-off I'm not economist but it states clearly, "Sony localises price for each county based on local currency and taxes." Meaning if they sold you a game for $60 when the money exchanged to the USD it would need to equal $60 to them. Sad truth is that money exchanges often see a loss in translation.
Makyre Vahliha Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 40	Posted - 2013.05.16 01:32:00 - [5] - Quote Change your PS3 region to USA and viola, cheaper prices!
konas gut Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.05.16 01:33:00 - [6] - Quote SoTa of PoP wrote: konas gut wrote: Proof that CCP is being ripped off below quoted from another post: "This was the ccp response to my petition asking about the price differences 2013.05.15 10:26:00 GM Avantgarde Hello, We can understand why you would like a clarification over the price of Merc Pack in different countries. Once we set the price on a game, SONY then would localise the price for each country based on local currency and taxes. Please accept our sincere apologies and we thank you for the understanding. If we could be your assistance on any DUST 514 issue in the future, please contact us again. Best Regards, GM Avantgarde CCP Customer Support \| EVE Online \| DUST 514" If CCP always gets the same payment from PSN sales then Sony is ripping them off big time. Merc Pack prices UK = 20 pounds = 30 usd -- Extra profit for sony = 10 usd per pack US = 20 usd = 20 usd AUS = 35 aud = 35 usd -- Extra profit for sony = 15 usd per pack CCP don't stand for this blatant rip-off I'm not economist but it states clearly, "Sony localises price for each county based on local currency and taxes." Meaning if they sold you a game for $60 when the money exchanged to the USD it would need to equal $60 to them. Sad truth is that money exchanges often see a loss in translation. Please keep replys to fact and not FUD. Every country has taxes this does not account for the massive difference. UK 50% tax? AUD 68% tax?
Kaze Eyrou ROGUE SPADES EoN. 204	Posted - 2013.05.16 01:34:00 - [7] - Quote Oh look. Here's OP posting another thread, ignoring rule 9 of the forums (again), and using USD as standard currency. Unless CCP uses USD in Iceland and not the Islandic Krona. Anyways, while I don't support the Australian tax (lolmarkeverythingupby50%), I plan on helping our Aussie and NZ friends once the player market opens up.
Happy Violentime OMFGZOMBIESRUN 64	Posted - 2013.05.16 01:34:00 - [8] - Quote The same is true of many companies - look at how much more adobe charge uk and aus customers for photoshop compared to us price
konas gut Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.05.16 01:37:00 - [9] - Quote Happy Violentime wrote: The same is true of many companies - look at how much more adobe charge uk and aus customers for photoshop compared to us price http://www.afr.com/p/technology/adobe_cuts_australian_prices_after_BgBXyFaCrXRGNIrS1M2fNN Facts not FUD please
SoTa of PoP Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 237	Posted - 2013.05.16 01:40:00 - [10] - Quote konas gut wrote: SoTa of PoP wrote: konas gut wrote: Proof that CCP is being ripped off below quoted from another post: "This was the ccp response to my petition asking about the price differences 2013.05.15 10:26:00 GM Avantgarde Hello, We can understand why you would like a clarification over the price of Merc Pack in different countries. Once we set the price on a game, SONY then would localise the price for each country based on local currency and taxes. Please accept our sincere apologies and we thank you for the understanding. If we could be your assistance on any DUST 514 issue in the future, please contact us again. Best Regards, GM Avantgarde CCP Customer Support \| EVE Online \| DUST 514" If CCP always gets the same payment from PSN sales then Sony is ripping them off big time. Merc Pack prices UK = 20 pounds = 30 usd -- Extra profit for sony = 10 usd per pack US = 20 usd = 20 usd AUS = 35 aud = 35 usd -- Extra profit for sony = 15 usd per pack CCP don't stand for this blatant rip-off I'm not economist but it states clearly, "Sony localises price for each county based on local currency and taxes." Meaning if they sold you a game for $60 when the money exchanged to the USD it would need to equal $60 to them. Sad truth is that money exchanges often see a loss in translation. Please keep replys to fact and not FUD. Every country has taxes this does not account for the massive difference. Lol - sorry I can't help. Money exchange rates has always been a burden on my friends so I know your burden at least. xD

SoTa of PoP Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 237	Posted - 2013.05.16 01:43:00 - [11] - Quote konas gut wrote: Happy Violentime wrote: The same is true of many companies - look at how much more adobe charge uk and aus customers for photoshop compared to us price http://www.afr.com/p/technology/adobe_cuts_australian_prices_after_BgBXyFaCrXRGNIrS1M2fNN Facts not FUD please LOL - no wonder your acting like a pissed off pre-teen girl. That's horrible Shame forum goers patience for assholes is small so if you're looking for a productive thread stop calling everyone out for bumping your damn thread.
NeoWraith Acedia Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 456	Posted - 2013.05.16 01:46:00 - [12] - Quote I support Kangaroos, just not the OP!
konas gut Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.05.16 01:47:00 - [13] - Quote SoTa of PoP wrote: konas gut wrote: Happy Violentime wrote: The same is true of many companies - look at how much more adobe charge uk and aus customers for photoshop compared to us price http://www.afr.com/p/technology/adobe_cuts_australian_prices_after_BgBXyFaCrXRGNIrS1M2fNN Facts not FUD please LOL - no wonder your acting like a pissed off pre-teen girl. That's horrible Shame forum goers patience for assholes is small so if you're looking for a productive thread stop calling everyone out for bumping your damn thread. Your statement was false. I just whan a forum discussion that is based on fact and not speculation or misguided contributions. is this a pre-teen train?
SoTa of PoP Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 237	Posted - 2013.05.16 02:04:00 - [14] - Quote konas gut wrote: SoTa of PoP wrote: konas gut wrote: Happy Violentime wrote: The same is true of many companies - look at how much more adobe charge uk and aus customers for photoshop compared to us price http://www.afr.com/p/technology/adobe_cuts_australian_prices_after_BgBXyFaCrXRGNIrS1M2fNN Facts not FUD please LOL - no wonder your acting like a pissed off pre-teen girl. That's horrible Shame forum goers patience for assholes is small so if you're looking for a productive thread stop calling everyone out for bumping your damn thread. Your statement was false. I just want a forum discussion that is based on fact and not speculation or misguided contributions. is this a pre-teen trait? I could let this thread dwindle away as no one here can help you, but instead I'll give you the helpful bump and advice of: Tried calling sony?
konas gut Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.05.16 02:08:00 - [15] - Quote SoTa of PoP wrote: konas gut wrote: SoTa of PoP wrote: konas gut wrote: Happy Violentime wrote: The same is true of many companies - look at how much more adobe charge uk and aus customers for photoshop compared to us price http://www.afr.com/p/technology/adobe_cuts_australian_prices_after_BgBXyFaCrXRGNIrS1M2fNN Facts not FUD please LOL - no wonder your acting like a pissed off pre-teen girl. That's horrible Shame forum goers patience for assholes is small so if you're looking for a productive thread stop calling everyone out for bumping your damn thread. Your statement was false. I just want a forum discussion that is based on fact and not speculation or misguided contributions. is this a pre-teen trait? I could let this thread dwindle away as no one here can help you, but instead I'll give you the helpful bump and advice of: Tried calling sony? This is a good suggestion thank you. CCP needs to call Sony and stop getting ripped off
ReGnUM MiNdReaDeR DEI Bragian Order Amarr Empire 78	Posted - 2013.05.16 02:08:00 - [16] - Quote This person failed in one thread and now is trying again but its too late in your last thread everyone called you dumb , stupid , and an idiot and then once you had realised you failed you tried to act like you were a troll doesnt make since to try again just to be crushed
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 3006	Posted - 2013.05.16 02:09:00 - [17] - Quote OP, here's a tip for making a constructive thread. When you want a thread to stay on-topic, and to be based on facts, provide facts, and when someone is providing misinformation, point that out POLITELY, provide evidence and explain that they're incorrect and how. Insulting people makes them less likely to pay attention when you're trying to educate them, ensuring that they not only remain misinformed, but continue to spread that misinformation elsewhere, spreading the incorrect information. If you're polite, and even consider saying, "well my source [insert link] says this. Where did you hear that?" and see if maybe YOU'RE the one with incorrect information. If you are correct, they'll reply "I heard it from a guy who knows a guy" or something, realise they were wrong, and you look like a good guy. If they provide a source that's better-recognised or has more up-to-date information on the situation you're discussing, you can say, "oh, good to know" and still not look like an idiot. If you say "nope. You're wrong. GTFO" you'll very quickly attract the wrong kind of people (troll posts or tangentially-related posts like mine) and those people won't be interested in the facts (well, I am, but I already know them in this case). So you spend all your effort trying to inform people of a legitimate problem, and end up doing nothing more than demeaning those who are legitimately interested in the topic, and attracting trolls to further derail your thread from its intended topic. On top of this, why do we need another thread when there are already several active on the topic? Just keep them alive.
ReGnUM MiNdReaDeR DEI Bragian Order Amarr Empire 78	Posted - 2013.05.16 02:10:00 - [18] - Quote Not to mention in that last thread you posted that response and guess what you got crushed
aden slayer Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 511	Posted - 2013.05.16 02:11:00 - [19] - Quote I don't get it, if you are so butthurt about this than why don't you just sue Sony and let us play our game in peace?
Caeli SineDeo Imperfects Negative-Feedback 473	Posted - 2013.05.16 02:19:00 - [20] - Quote There is alot you need to look at. First of the very base. Server cost. In united states you have tons of people downloading 10 millions a day. Compared to what maybe 100k people where you are located. It is alot cheaper to maintain a server in the US because of efficiency. You use the same amount of people to maintain a similar size server cluster but have many more costumers buying from them and paying for their use. Then what does the country tax. Is it more then others? What is import taxes in that county. Yes this is considered a Import even if it is digital. What does it cost to change currency. Only part of the money actually stays as AUD. Rest is tranfered to YEN Again exchanging a smaller amount cost more then exchanging a larger amount. Looking at the small AUD amount compared to the giant USD amount pulled in because there is gaint difference in consumer money. You complain yet understand little about the subject you are accusing people on. Yes even I will say what I wrote is probably not including all expenses that raise the price. I do not know overly alot but. I can give a conclusion to why prices are higher.

konas gut Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.05.16 02:20:00 - [21] - Quote This post is about helping CCP get the money they deserve If you don't want CCP to succeed and make cash then GTFO and make your own post.
ReGnUM MiNdReaDeR DEI Bragian Order Amarr Empire 78	Posted - 2013.05.16 02:23:00 - [22] - Quote konas gut wrote: This post is about helping CCP get the money they deserve If you don't want CCP to succeed and make cash then GTFO and make your own post. Oh and making a thread about boycotting ccp is wanting ccp to make cash and succeed? You are so stupid i honestly dont feel like trolling you it is literally just a waste of time
Laheon Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 511	Posted - 2013.05.16 02:26:00 - [23] - Quote Konas? Stop posting these threads. You're just spamming forums.
konas gut Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.05.16 02:30:00 - [24] - Quote ReGnUM MiNdReaDeR DEI wrote: konas gut wrote: This post is about helping CCP get the money they deserve If you don't want CCP to succeed and make cash then GTFO and make your own post. Oh and making a thread about boycotting ccp is wanting ccp to make cash and succeed? You are so stupid i honestly dont feel like trolling you it is literally just a waste of time Did you not read all the people that have pledged not to buy stuff from the store due to the price gouging. Maybe you should take some time to read then come back with a intelligent response. The boycott was to make CCP listen and make a change before its too late.
ReGnUM MiNdReaDeR DEI Bragian Order Amarr Empire 78	Posted - 2013.05.16 02:34:00 - [25] - Quote konas gut wrote: ReGnUM MiNdReaDeR DEI wrote: konas gut wrote: This post is about helping CCP get the money they deserve If you don't want CCP to succeed and make cash then GTFO and make your own post. Oh and making a thread about boycotting ccp is wanting ccp to make cash and succeed? You are so stupid i honestly dont feel like trolling you it is literally just a waste of time Did you not read all the people that have pledged not to buy stuff from the store due to the price gouging. Maybe you should take some time to read then come back with a intelligent response. The boycott was to make CCP listen and make a change before its too late. And yet your boycott plan failed and really are you coming at me saying i do not make intellegent responses do you want me to post your so called intellegent responses in the other thread here? I honestly think you are making these yhreads just for attention
konas gut Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.05.16 02:39:00 - [26] - Quote ReGnUM MiNdReaDeR DEI wrote: konas gut wrote: ReGnUM MiNdReaDeR DEI wrote: konas gut wrote: This post is about helping CCP get the money they deserve If you don't want CCP to succeed and make cash then GTFO and make your own post. Oh and making a thread about boycotting ccp is wanting ccp to make cash and succeed? You are so stupid i honestly dont feel like trolling you it is literally just a waste of time Did you not read all the people that have pledged not to buy stuff from the store due to the price gouging. Maybe you should take some time to read then come back with a intelligent response. The boycott was to make CCP listen and make a change before its too late. And yet your boycott plan failed and really are you coming at me saying i do not make intellegent responses do you want me to post your so called intellegent responses in the other thread here? I honestly think you are making these yhreads just for attention Yes of course i want attention this is how things are changed. By awareness and posting. Finally you understand +1
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 3008	Posted - 2013.05.16 02:48:00 - [27] - Quote Caeli SineDeo wrote: First of the very base. Server cost. In united states you have tons of people downloading 10 millions a day. Compared to what maybe 100k people where you are located. It is alot cheaper to maintain a server in the US because of efficiency. You use the same amount of people to maintain a similar size server cluster but have many more costumers buying from them and paying for their use. So we're paying extra because of all those servers that Sony DON'T maintain in the region because they just run us off the EU servers that are actually further from us than if we ran through the US server, but which work because we use PAL encoding and not NTSC. Quote: Then what does the country tax. Is it more then others? What is import taxes in that county. Yes this is considered a Import even if it is digital. Neither New Zealand or Australia have any import taxes applied to digital goods. Both have taxes on goods, but those also don't apply to digital purchases up to a certain value which even the Elite pack doesn't exceed. Even after accounting for the tax, assuming it's being incorrectly charged on these items, there's at least a 40% markup from the US price because those taxes arent very high. Quote: What does it cost to change currency. Only part of the money actually stays as AUD. Rest is tranfered to YEN Again exchanging a smaller amount cost more then exchanging a larger amount. Looking at the small AUD amount compared to the giant USD amount pulled in because there is gaint difference in consumer money. Firstly, even if they were running individual exchanges for each purchase, this souldn't make up the MORE THAN 40% INCREASE AFTER TAX. And they don't do that anyway. Payments are processed in local currency, accumulated, then periodically converted into the appropriate currency for Sony to use IN BULK, with much lower fees relatively speaking. Certainly nowhere near enough - even in the scenario where currency conversion is done on a case-by-case basis - to account for the huge markup that's happening. Looking at every viable reason possible for them to be raising our prices (except "because we can get away with it"), you can account for maybe - MAYBE a 20% price hike at most. We're paying more than 50% extra. That's a significant amount of additional cost unaccounted for. It's plausible that the EU prices might actually be justified under this argument, but the AU/NZ prices are still well outside of any reasonable argument.
Buster Friently Rosen Association 442	Posted - 2013.05.16 03:20:00 - [28] - Quote konas gut wrote: Proof that CCP is being ripped off below quoted from another post: "This was the ccp response to my petition asking about the price differences 2013.05.15 10:26:00 GM Avantgarde Hello, We can understand why you would like a clarification over the price of Merc Pack in different countries. Once we set the price on a game, SONY then would localise the price for each country based on local currency and taxes. Please accept our sincere apologies and we thank you for the understanding. If we could be your assistance on any DUST 514 issue in the future, please contact us again. Best Regards, GM Avantgarde CCP Customer Support \| EVE Online \| DUST 514" If CCP always gets the same payment from PSN sales then Sony is ripping them off big time. Merc Pack prices UK = 20 pounds = 30 usd -- Extra profit for sony = 10 usd per pack US = 20 usd = 20 usd AUS = 35 aud = 35 usd -- Extra profit for sony = 15 usd per pack CCP don't stand for this blatant rip-off Lol, taxes my boy. Taxes. Blame your governments, not CCP or even Sony.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 3010	Posted - 2013.05.16 03:26:00 - [29] - Quote Buster Friently wrote: Lol, taxes my boy. Taxes. Blame your governments, not CCP or even Sony. It's possible that the EU price hike is almost halfway-covered by this explanation. Australia can explain a 10% markup on something they pay 50% extra for, and New Zealand can explain about 15% of our 60% price hike.
konas gut Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.05.16 03:26:00 - [30] - Quote Buster Friently wrote: konas gut wrote: Proof that CCP is being ripped off below quoted from another post: "This was the ccp response to my petition asking about the price differences 2013.05.15 10:26:00 GM Avantgarde Hello, We can understand why you would like a clarification over the price of Merc Pack in different countries. Once we set the price on a game, SONY then would localise the price for each country based on local currency and taxes. Please accept our sincere apologies and we thank you for the understanding. If we could be your assistance on any DUST 514 issue in the future, please contact us again. Best Regards, GM Avantgarde CCP Customer Support \| EVE Online \| DUST 514" If CCP always gets the same payment from PSN sales then Sony is ripping them off big time. Merc Pack prices UK = 20 pounds = 30 usd -- Extra profit for sony = 10 usd per pack US = 20 usd = 20 usd AUS = 35 aud = 35 usd -- Extra profit for sony = 15 usd per pack CCP don't stand for this blatant rip-off Lol, taxes my boy. Taxes. Blame your governments, not CCP or even Sony. So the UK has a 50% tax Aus 68% tax but merica is tax free? old excuse proven wrong

Buster Friently Rosen Association 442	Posted - 2013.05.16 03:28:00 - [31] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: Buster Friently wrote: Lol, taxes my boy. Taxes. Blame your governments, not CCP or even Sony. It's possible that the EU price hike is almost halfway-covered by this explanation. Australia can explain a 10% markup on something they pay 50% extra for, and New Zealand can explain about 15% of our 60% price hike. Yes, after looking up the numbers myself, AUS has a 10% VAT, whereas the US has none. The AUS dollar is worth basically the same. So, I guess you're right. Screw all retailers, because apparently they all do this to you. Good luck.
Buster Friently Rosen Association 442	Posted - 2013.05.16 03:29:00 - [32] - Quote konas gut wrote: Buster Friently wrote: konas gut wrote: Proof that CCP is being ripped off below quoted from another post: "This was the ccp response to my petition asking about the price differences 2013.05.15 10:26:00 GM Avantgarde Hello, We can understand why you would like a clarification over the price of Merc Pack in different countries. Once we set the price on a game, SONY then would localise the price for each country based on local currency and taxes. Please accept our sincere apologies and we thank you for the understanding. If we could be your assistance on any DUST 514 issue in the future, please contact us again. Best Regards, GM Avantgarde CCP Customer Support \| EVE Online \| DUST 514" If CCP always gets the same payment from PSN sales then Sony is ripping them off big time. Merc Pack prices UK = 20 pounds = 30 usd -- Extra profit for sony = 10 usd per pack US = 20 usd = 20 usd AUS = 35 aud = 35 usd -- Extra profit for sony = 15 usd per pack CCP don't stand for this blatant rip-off Lol, taxes my boy. Taxes. Blame your governments, not CCP or even Sony. So the UK has a 50% tax Aus 68% tax but merica is tax free? old excuse proven wrong Well, America is tax free in this case, but you're right. I was wrong regarding the magnitude. AUS has a 10% VAT. This is not enough to cover the additional cost of the product. From what I can tell, this is just due to historical precedence.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 3010	Posted - 2013.05.16 03:32:00 - [33] - Quote Buster Friently wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: Buster Friently wrote: Lol, taxes my boy. Taxes. Blame your governments, not CCP or even Sony. It's possible that the EU price hike is almost halfway-covered by this explanation. Australia can explain a 10% markup on something they pay 50% extra for, and New Zealand can explain about 15% of our 60% price hike. Yes, after looking up the numbers myself, AUS has a 10% VAT, whereas the US has none. The AUS dollar is worth basically the same. So, I guess you're right. Screw all retailers, because apparently they all do this to you. Good luck. Actually, a LOT have been getting targeted by the Commerce Commission in New Zealand and the Australian equivalent I forget the name of. When they've been approached about it, most (so far) have folded and changed their pricing pretty much immediately. Valve products (and some non-Valve products on Steam) have had their prices reduced to be in line with US pricing, so there's hope for this to turn around if people keep on it and actually get the governments of our countries to pay attention.
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