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Baal Omniscient
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Posted - 2013.05.15 20:55:00 -
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Sure, it sometimes took a whole 2 clips to kill someone. But the sensitivity was a little buggy and everyone was adjusting to it. If you were able to shoot straight, you could kill most people with 3/4 of a clip and finishing an enemy felt GREAT! You had to WORK for it and have actual gungame to get that kill. Now every weapon has it's damage jacked up so far that you can drop a fully fitted protosuit in 8-10 bullets from an ADV level tac AR. With a mouse, that's like .3 seconds.
Heavies aside (heavies are now about as effective as all the other classes were BEFORE the damage buff), this damage buff has taken all the skill out of the game and made it a game where almost every weapon can kill people before they can turn and defend themselves. I'm running almost 700 health, but if I get shot first I may as well be in a pair of socks and some tighty whities.
That 10% might have been just right for the lower damage weapons, but with the higher damage weapons things have gotten completely out of hand.
Can we get rid of the damage buff for all weapons but the HMG? Seriously, the gameplay has just deviated THAT much from the core gameplay that's kept me here for right at a whole year now. Now that the aiming is fixed, we don't need more damage. We need tactical gameplay.
Side Note: Are you sure that 10% wasn't already added in? Because I can now 3 piece an installation with a militia swarm launcher. In the previous build, if I was REALLY quick with the lock-on so the shields didn't get back up any, I could 4 shot it with a basic swarm. |
Baal Omniscient
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Posted - 2013.05.16 01:03:00 -
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Geth Massredux wrote:Well its a forge gun, it does 1200+ damage. Why would you want to hit a turret installation with more then 3 hits with a militia forge gun... Also the game needed a +10 buff to all handheld weapons. I mean why not... Its a game man, Me and Sota fake PoP are here for you... (Geth pats you on the back)-- whispers and says its a game dude...  - Geth
Swarms, not forge guns. Reread that bit, you read it wrong the first time. ;) |
Baal Omniscient
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Posted - 2013.05.16 01:12:00 -
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N1ck Comeau wrote:The 10% boost is fine, we had it pre Uprising with weaponry.
If your dieing a lot use more cover and move around a lot.
As a Scout i rarely die because of my speed and my ability to flank the enemy.
In the last build, the TAR did around 45 damage per bullet. Now it's over 75, not counting proficiencies. I don't think the "well, we did it last build" argument applies here. |
Baal Omniscient
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Posted - 2013.05.16 03:41:00 -
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Happy Violentime wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:Happy Violentime wrote:Do you REALLY believe reducing the Duvolle Tac damage by 10% is going to make that gun any less ridiculous?  YESActually all the weapons, not just the tac. If you remove 10% from the Duvolle Tac it becomes what the Glu Tac is now. And if you reduce the dmg on all other weapons its gonna make them Duvolle Tac users even harder to kill. And if you're a proto Caldari logi you can easily afford to swap 1 or 2 of your 5 complex shield extenders for a couple of 10% dmg mods. Then what do you do? Time to HTFU! boy. So, you REALLY still want that 10% dmg removed? If so you're probably a Tac using Caldari logi and a scrub.
a 10% damage drop for high damage weapons is a much larger hit than for the lower end weapons. Which is why we were fine with the new tac until the extra damage hit it. Lower damage weapons don't take nearly the same damage drop the tac does by loosing 10%. 10% of 75>10% of 36 for instance. Maths, use them.
Also, I'm a Minmatar Assault Burst AR user. Not Caldari, not Tac. |
Baal Omniscient
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Posted - 2013.05.16 14:14:00 -
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Sontie wrote:Other than the fact that the Tac is the only thing that can kill me, I don't think it's a problem. Maybe it's because I'm a scout and that makes me hard to hit or something. I really fear all the TAR QQing will lead to an over nerf of the only weapon that is decent. If someone kills you with the TAR, and you're not just standing still, then the guy who killed you has skill. The SCR even more so... that gun needs a buff
That's just it though, the TAR is the ONLY VIABLE WEAPON because of it's COD like ability to drop people in a handful of shots. In addition, it can out range almost every other light weapon in the game. If we're gonna be spending massive amounts of ISK on a dropsuit, we don't need one weapon out there that any class can equip and has some of the lowest SP req's in the game being able to drop us in less than a second.
It's clip is too big for the damage it does, and it's damage is to high for the potential ROF it can have |
Baal Omniscient
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Posted - 2013.05.16 16:10:00 -
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Panther Alpha wrote:Happy Violentime wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:Happy Violentime wrote:Do you REALLY believe reducing the Duvolle Tac damage by 10% is going to make that gun any less ridiculous? YESActually all the weapons, not just the tac. If you remove 10% from the Duvolle Tac it becomes what the Glu Tac is now. And if you reduce the dmg on all other weapons its gonna make them Duvolle Tac users even harder to kill. And if you're a proto Caldari logi you can easily afford to swap 1 or 2 of your 5 complex shield extenders for a couple of 10% dmg mods. Then what do you do? Time to HTFU! boy. So, you REALLY still want that 10% dmg removed? If so you're probably a Tac using Caldari logi and a scrub. I using the AR.. i can't use the TAC with the mouse, is nearly impossible to get a decent firing rate with it...The tactical have officially became "the" DS3 weapon in Dust. I think most mouse users, finds the AR easier to use with the mouse.
I suck with the mouse, but I ran it with a tac about 5 days ago (mouse/ds3 combo) and mopped up despite the severe issues with mouse aiming. The aiming is so precise that you just gently glide the mouse down as you pop that trigger as fast as you can. Effortless kills, that's all I can say.
If you can't do it, I'm sorry for you. Because there is no easier way to get kills in this game. And if they ever get the mouse settings fixed, we are all TAR ****** |
Baal Omniscient
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Posted - 2013.05.16 19:43:00 -
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Tiberion Deci wrote:Baal Omniscient wrote:blah blah blah
No. They were awful. Hmgs unable to kill anyone even in militia gear with less than 300 bullets inside 20m. I gladly deal with the aiming and whatever else you think is wrong now in order to be able to kill people again.
You obviously didn't read any of my "blah bah blah"... I said, very clearly, roll back the 10% damage increase for all weapons EXCEPT the HMG.
Which would, in turn, make things even BETTER for heavies.
Thanks for (not) reading. |
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