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Cybus Trama'dol
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Posted - 2013.05.15 14:12:00 -
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I think the damage the vehicles do to Mercs on foot should be drastically reduced.
Seems like since the aiming is broken people have resorted to spamming free LAVs and driving round running people over like its Carmageddon(For the oldies) or GTA(For the younger crowd)..
Please just make it so you can survive a single hit from an LAV (tanks I can understand a OHK but they are not as fast so if you get run over its your own fault).
At least then it would give you a chance to run away or fight back cos theres nothing to stop an LAV driver driving through the middle of a gunfight and killing the enemy but teammates survive. |
Cybus Trama'dol
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Posted - 2013.05.15 14:23:00 -
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EverNub wrote:Actually its only how hard they hit u, I survive alot when they barely swipe me or if there not full speed. Also easy counter measure level up your AV or just dont fight in the open field hide in cover or higher ground. Also if they took out not dying when u get ran over this game would make even less sense then it alredy does with the rest of its physics. And how do you justify "friendly" runovers leaving teammates completely unscathed.
It was terrible playing Domination last night. Huge gunfight happening at A on the bridge. Red dot then piles his LAV straight through to see how many skittles he could knock over and presto about 5 kills and only red dots surviving.
I dont play the game to hide or camp on a hilltop, I'm frontline all them way.. Roadkill just seems to be easymode for tryhards. |
Cybus Trama'dol
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Posted - 2013.05.15 14:35:00 -
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EverNub wrote:Cybus Trama'dol wrote:EverNub wrote:Actually its only how hard they hit u, I survive alot when they barely swipe me or if there not full speed. Also easy counter measure level up your AV or just dont fight in the open field hide in cover or higher ground. Also if they took out not dying when u get ran over this game would make even less sense then it alredy does with the rest of its physics. And how do you justify "friendly" runovers leaving teammates completely unscathed. It was terrible playing Domination last night. Huge gunfight happening at A on the bridge. Red dot then piles his LAV straight through to see how many skittles he could knock over and presto about 5 kills and only red dots surviving. I dont play the game to hide or camp on a hilltop, I'm frontline all them way.. Roadkill just seems to be easymode for tryhards. I agree but friendly fire is off derps. If not newb berrys would be shooting u more then ud be worried bout lav. But either way cover is ur friend, even heavies use cover if they are smart if u stand in the open all the time u must lose alot of suits. Nope I just PTFO and with LAVs having magical jumping powers and acrobatic skills the onle "safe" cover is hiding up a ladder or a mountain like a little girl (or hiding in a vehicle the whole game). And yeah I lose a lot of suits that way, however free easymode LAV's is a broken mechanic. You wanna play a driving game, head off to your local store... they have plenty I'm sure |
Cybus Trama'dol
EYE Security Task Force and Resources Acquisition
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Posted - 2013.05.15 14:51:00 -
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Still doesnt stop free LAV roadkills being a broken mechanic does it. Often I play logi and forego a grenade entirely in favour of equipment. And one match last night there must have been 4-5 at any one time doing donuts and killing anything in there path. |
Cybus Trama'dol
EYE Security Task Force and Resources Acquisition
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Posted - 2013.05.15 16:02:00 -
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Canari Elphus wrote:Its not just one thing.. its multiple
1 - Hit detection is just funny. Anywhere near the LAV will killyou 2 - AV grenades are feather dusters now 3 - Vehicles are ninjas so you cant see them coming What he said |
Cybus Trama'dol
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Posted - 2013.05.15 16:26:00 -
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Jaron Pollard wrote:Still seeing a lot of use of the word "car" as if this isn't a high-velocity armoured vehicle we're talking about but some standard Honda Civic or something. Let's get one thing clear - LAV's are more comparable to a Humvee, not a "car". And that armour and shield you have? It's nothing like the half-tonne suit that Master Chief wears in Halo.
Now, let's talk some physics. I'll keep it simple. There are a number of forces to consider when taking a hit from a high velocity armoured vehicle, including concussive force, energy transfer, and mass. For those in the know, mass is directly transferably to energy. In fact, for those that know something about how mass works at the subatomic level inside a muon for example, mass is made of energy. So, the energy from the speed of the "car" is not the only energy to consider, but it's mass as well. Now, you are not a heavy guy, and while the shields and armour of your suit may protect you against small arms kinetic impacts and directed energy attacks (to a degree), the LAVs are somewhat more massive than you, and larger than a bullet, so a vehicle of this type is going to be transferring a lot of that energy across a much larger area than a small round travelling at higher speeds might do, which will create a concussive force in your armour that has the potential to not just crush you if the wheels happen to roll over you (which, if the armour's any good, it may actually protect you from direct wheel-crushing, unless it was damaged in the impact, which is probable), but the most likely cause of damage from vehicular impact is going to be that concussive force from the energy transfer that scrambles your internal organs into pulp. In fact, it is not uncommon for victims of vehicular impacts to suffer from ruptured spleens and the like with little to no external visible injury.
So, what have we learned today? That's right. LAVs are not Honda Civics. But in the right circumstances, a Honda Civic could probably kill you too. Like if it was dropped on you by a crane. But that's another physics lesson entirely.... OK, if you are going to drop the "real science" bomb. Then how about being able to activate a hardener very similar to when you drop out of the MCC because i can imagine the forces exerted on your suit would be similar to being hit by a tank. And yet you can brush off and walk away from that. |
Cybus Trama'dol
EYE Security Task Force and Resources Acquisition
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Posted - 2013.05.15 16:41:00 -
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Ignoble Son wrote:Cybus Trama'dol wrote:Jaron Pollard wrote:Still seeing a lot of use of the word "car" as if this isn't a high-velocity armoured vehicle we're talking about but some standard Honda Civic or something. Let's get one thing clear - LAV's are more comparable to a Humvee, not a "car". And that armour and shield you have? It's nothing like the half-tonne suit that Master Chief wears in Halo.
Now, let's talk some physics. I'll keep it simple. There are a number of forces to consider when taking a hit from a high velocity armoured vehicle, including concussive force, energy transfer, and mass. For those in the know, mass is directly transferably to energy. In fact, for those that know something about how mass works at the subatomic level inside a muon for example, mass is made of energy. So, the energy from the speed of the "car" is not the only energy to consider, but it's mass as well. Now, you are not a heavy guy, and while the shields and armour of your suit may protect you against small arms kinetic impacts and directed energy attacks (to a degree), the LAVs are somewhat more massive than you, and larger than a bullet, so a vehicle of this type is going to be transferring a lot of that energy across a much larger area than a small round travelling at higher speeds might do, which will create a concussive force in your armour that has the potential to not just crush you if the wheels happen to roll over you (which, if the armour's any good, it may actually protect you from direct wheel-crushing, unless it was damaged in the impact, which is probable), but the most likely cause of damage from vehicular impact is going to be that concussive force from the energy transfer that scrambles your internal organs into pulp. In fact, it is not uncommon for victims of vehicular impacts to suffer from ruptured spleens and the like with little to no external visible injury.
So, what have we learned today? That's right. LAVs are not Honda Civics. But in the right circumstances, a Honda Civic could probably kill you too. Like if it was dropped on you by a crane. But that's another physics lesson entirely.... OK, if you are going to drop the "real science" bomb. Then how about being able to activate a hardener very similar to when you drop out of the MCC because i can imagine the forces exerted on your suit would be similar to being hit by a tank. And yet you can brush off and walk away from that. Your talking about an inertial dampener. Sounds good to me. One problem for you though, you have to activate it, and it isn't going to do a world of good for you when I plow you from behind because you weren't looking, and it can't last for ever in face to face confrontations. I'll give you a like on that one... Yeah you have to activate and wouldn't save you from a behind attack.. Sometimes ther are the "oh ****" moments where you know you are going to get splattered and there is no way of avoidinig it. It would help then if your reflexes are fast enough to activate.
Also back on point, its the overuse and spamming of free LAV that is my main concern. Who knows, when the aiming is fixed perhaps it will die down a bit. I can cope with that ok same as in battlefield... I was just trying to make a point that at the moment it is rediculous with the amount of spam to the point it severly affects gameplay. |
Cybus Trama'dol
EYE Security Task Force and Resources Acquisition
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Posted - 2013.05.15 16:45:00 -
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NeoWraith Acedia wrote:Cybus Trama'dol wrote: Also back on point, its the overuse and spamming of free LAV that is my main concern.
It's only going to get with worse with the STD BPOs I fear you are right |
Cybus Trama'dol
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Posted - 2013.05.15 16:48:00 -
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Jaron Pollard wrote:Cybus Trama'dol wrote:NeoWraith Acedia wrote:Cybus Trama'dol wrote: Also back on point, its the overuse and spamming of free LAV that is my main concern.
It's only going to get with worse with the STD BPOs I fear you are right Here's an idea. Just a thought, really. If they can spam free LAVs, then why can't you? Heres why............................
I dont like driving games... If i did i would be playing GTA, this is an FPS
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Cybus Trama'dol
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Posted - 2013.05.15 16:52:00 -
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ok cheers for your input.... see ya
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Cybus Trama'dol
EYE Security Task Force and Resources Acquisition
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Posted - 2013.05.16 13:04:00 -
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Kekklian Noobatronic wrote:Cybus Trama'dol wrote:I think the damage the vehicles do to Mercs on foot should be drastically reduced.
Seems like since the aiming is broken people have resorted to spamming free LAVs and driving round running people over like its Carmageddon(For the oldies) or GTA(For the younger crowd)..
Please just make it so you can survive a single hit from an LAV (tanks I can understand a OHK but they are not as fast so if you get run over its your own fault).
At least then it would give you a chance to run away or fight back cos theres nothing to stop an LAV driver driving through the middle of a gunfight and killing the enemy but teammates survive. Why don't you go outside and try geting hit by a car - Let me know how well you survive it. And no - body armor is not designed to stop impacts by multi-ton vehicles. You want to know how not to get run over by a LAV driver? Here's a hint - PAY ATTENTION. Most if not all collisions can be avoided by simply having a heartbeat and stepping out of the way. It's not that hard. For bonus points, combine well-thrown AV grenades with sidestepping. It's super effective! Stupid post is stupid. Judging by the likes this post has got (mainly in favour of doing something about the situation) I'm not the only one concerned with how this have become mainly since Uprising and the broker shooter mechanics... And lets get this straight... My main problem is with abuse of LAV's as free kills and interrupting game flow, not smashing the nerf hammer. So pick up your pokeballs and head off... tata....
Lets try and leave real world phsyics out of a game shall we. |
Cybus Trama'dol
EYE Security Task Force and Resources Acquisition
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Posted - 2013.05.16 13:53:00 -
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135 likes and not a single piece of Dev input as yet!!! For shame CCP..... For Shame..... |
Cybus Trama'dol
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Posted - 2013.05.16 14:23:00 -
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DeathwindRising wrote:Cybus Trama'dol wrote:I think the damage the vehicles do to Mercs on foot should be drastically reduced.
Seems like since the aiming is broken people have resorted to spamming free LAVs and driving round running people over like its Carmageddon(For the oldies) or GTA(For the younger crowd)..
Please just make it so you can survive a single hit from an LAV (tanks I can understand a OHK but they are not as fast so if you get run over its your own fault).
At least then it would give you a chance to run away or fight back cos theres nothing to stop an LAV driver driving through the middle of a gunfight and killing the enemy but teammates survive. nope. i think we should all keep spamming them until CCP gets the idea that their system is broken. people wouldnt be using them as much if they simply fixed aiming, nerfed TAR's, and hadnt screwed with lav's by buffing their hp. CCP's fault, let them fix it. by exploiting broken game mechanics we are sending a message that something is wrong. I (sort of) agree with you..... Those are exactly the points I've been trying to make... This is a direct response to the broken core mechanics of the game. Not a good response but I can see why people are doing it, I personally don't happen to be a FotM sheep and prefer to play the game as intended. |
Cybus Trama'dol
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Posted - 2013.05.30 12:47:00 -
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Now CCP are addressing the TAR...
Time for a BUMP!!! |
Cybus Trama'dol
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Posted - 2013.05.30 13:20:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:Cybus Trama'dol wrote:I think the damage the vehicles do to Mercs on foot should be drastically reduced.
Seems like since the aiming is broken people have resorted to spamming free LAVs and driving round running people over like its Carmageddon(For the oldies) or GTA(For the younger crowd)..
Please just make it so you can survive a single hit from an LAV (tanks I can understand a OHK but they are not as fast so if you get run over its your own fault).
At least then it would give you a chance to run away or fight back cos theres nothing to stop an LAV driver driving through the middle of a gunfight and killing the enemy but teammates survive. I would say require the LAV to be moving at far higher speed to achieve a one-hit-kill, and make the LAV take a large fraction of the damage they cause to the suit they hit. If you think about it, smacking your vehicle repeatedly into heavily armored and shielded infantry should start tearing it up. YES!!
There currently is no downside to the spam and abuse of the FREE... Yes I said FREE LAVs. I take the point of people who have specced into vehicles and if you pay then feel free to play. However when the reward > risk by a factor of 20 then something is VERY broken.
What I find more concerning is the fact the his thread has been extremely popular on both sides of the argument as can be seen by the replies and likes. BUT there has been no DEV input on the issue whatsoever... Does this mean CCP think the current system is fine OR more worryingly that they haven't got a clue how to deal with it. |
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