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Makyre Vahliha Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 31	Posted - 2013.05.15 09:13:00 - [1] - Quote Someone just recently brought up about players coming in Dust 514 from COD/BF3 and this made me think. The majority of these newcomers might be a cause of concern for some because the devs might put in changes reflected on their feedback moreso than the regular players like us. While Dust 514 won't completely become COD/BF3 clones, it might become very similar to where everything's nerfed, easier to play, or become quickly action-paced, losing the EVE/Dust flavor. I was a COD player for many years and coming to Dust has completely changed the way I think about things. I love Dust even if it's far from perfect and I want it to stand on its own from every other games. I know it's easy to say that it won't change or clone like the others, but that remains to be seen when it becomes well-known and people start getting burnt out and leaving COD/BF. What are your thoughts on this?
Delta 749 Maverick Security Consulting 94	Posted - 2013.05.15 09:18:00 - [2] - Quote For that to happen aiming would have to work properly and we wouldnt get caught up on the landscape all the time first
DropKickSuicide Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 106	Posted - 2013.05.15 09:20:00 - [3] - Quote And with only 5000 players, I dont think its going to get "Well known" for a awhile
UK-Shots Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 65	Posted - 2013.05.15 09:23:00 - [4] - Quote Delta 749 wrote: For that to happen aiming would have to work properly and we wouldnt get caught up on the landscape all the time first this.. and also we would have to have a playerbase of around 50-100k players
Mithridates VI IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 1437	Posted - 2013.05.15 09:23:00 - [5] - Quote Honestly, I tune out as soon as I see the words "COD CLONE".
Makyre Vahliha Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 31	Posted - 2013.05.15 09:26:00 - [6] - Quote DropKickSuicide wrote: And with only 5000 players, I dont think its going to get "Well known" for a awhile I could be wrong, but someone brought up that changing the DMZ will see a display of +3,000 to +50,000 people. Mine says 2,450 right now and I haven't changed any settings on my router or the PS3. I did see about 50,000 once shortly before the Uprising update. But I agree, it will take some time for people to learn that Dust 514 exists.
Delta 749 Maverick Security Consulting 94	Posted - 2013.05.15 09:30:00 - [7] - Quote Makyre Vahliha wrote: DropKickSuicide wrote: And with only 5000 players, I dont think its going to get "Well known" for a awhile I could be wrong, but someone brought up that changing the DMZ will see a display of +3,000 to +50,000 people. Mine says 2,450 right now and I haven't changed any settings on my router or the PS3. I did see about 50,000 once shortly before the Uprising update. But I agree, it will take some time for people to learn that Dust 514 exists. Thats because CCP was padding the number by including how many people were logged in to EVE
DropKickSuicide Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 107	Posted - 2013.05.15 09:34:00 - [8] - Quote Delta 749 wrote: Makyre Vahliha wrote: DropKickSuicide wrote: And with only 5000 players, I dont think its going to get "Well known" for a awhile I could be wrong, but someone brought up that changing the DMZ will see a display of +3,000 to +50,000 people. Mine says 2,450 right now and I haven't changed any settings on my router or the PS3. I did see about 50,000 once shortly before the Uprising update. But I agree, it will take some time for people to learn that Dust 514 exists. Thats because CCP was padding the number by including how many people were logged in to EVE This^ And the most Ive EVER seen online was 4135 while the least I have seen is 2 ( tho in there defense that was RIGHT after shutdown )
Makyre Vahliha Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 31	Posted - 2013.05.15 09:37:00 - [9] - Quote DropKickSuicide wrote: Delta 749 wrote: Makyre Vahliha wrote: DropKickSuicide wrote: And with only 5000 players, I dont think its going to get "Well known" for a awhile I could be wrong, but someone brought up that changing the DMZ will see a display of +3,000 to +50,000 people. Mine says 2,450 right now and I haven't changed any settings on my router or the PS3. I did see about 50,000 once shortly before the Uprising update. But I agree, it will take some time for people to learn that Dust 514 exists. Thats because CCP was padding the number by including how many people were logged in to EVE This^ And the most Ive EVER seen online was 4135 while the least I have seen is 2 ( tho in there defense that was RIGHT after shutdown ) So it's that low. I expected it to be really about 50,000. But aren't EVE and Dust already merged together to bring that number up?
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 2977	Posted - 2013.05.15 09:40:00 - [10] - Quote DropKickSuicide wrote: And with only 5000 players, I dont think its going to get "Well known" for a awhile 5000 simultaneously-active players doesn't mean 5000 total. You DO know that there are places other than your hometown that have people in, right?

DropKickSuicide Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 107	Posted - 2013.05.15 09:41:00 - [11] - Quote Makyre Vahliha wrote: DropKickSuicide wrote: Delta 749 wrote: Makyre Vahliha wrote: DropKickSuicide wrote: And with only 5000 players, I dont think its going to get "Well known" for a awhile I could be wrong, but someone brought up that changing the DMZ will see a display of +3,000 to +50,000 people. Mine says 2,450 right now and I haven't changed any settings on my router or the PS3. I did see about 50,000 once shortly before the Uprising update. But I agree, it will take some time for people to learn that Dust 514 exists. Thats because CCP was padding the number by including how many people were logged in to EVE This^ And the most Ive EVER seen online was 4135 while the least I have seen is 2 ( tho in there defense that was RIGHT after shutdown ) So it's that low. I expected it to be really about 50,000. But aren't EVE and Dust already merged together to bring that number up? Not that I know of. I think it was for like a day then changed it back And that number was at peak times on a friday but I mostly see between 3000-3300
DropKickSuicide Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 107	Posted - 2013.05.15 09:43:00 - [12] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: DropKickSuicide wrote: And with only 5000 players, I dont think its going to get "Well known" for a awhile 5000 simultaneously-active players doesn't mean 5000 total. You DO know that there are places other than your hometown that have people in, right? No? my hometown only has about 5000 people ( in the winter ) so I thought everyone in game was from here? Well my mind is fukcn blown
RedRebelCork Ahrendee Mercenaries 52	Posted - 2013.05.15 09:46:00 - [13] - Quote Don't assume that everything from COD/BF3 is somehow lesser. The best games will always emulate those elements of their forebears that were effective. BF3 certainly has some features I'd like to see in Dust514 The majority of the younger and more casual playerbases in COD/BF3 will not have the patience to last long here. Those that do might very well have some good ideas to bring to the table.
DropKickSuicide Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 107	Posted - 2013.05.15 09:51:00 - [14] - Quote RedRebelCork wrote: Don't assume that everything from COD/BF3 is somehow lesser. The best games will always emulate those elements of their forebears that were effective. BF3 certainly has some features I'd like to see in Dust514 The majority of the younger and more casual playerbases in COD/BF3 will not have the patience to last long here. Those that do might very well have some good ideas to bring to the table. I agree, And obviusly they got something right otherwise there wouldnt be more then 60,000 people online at all times, and thats on 3 seperate consoles. thats over 180,000 plaers online at all times for 1 game ( talk about Massive and Multiplayer danm )
Makyre Vahliha Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 34	Posted - 2013.05.15 09:52:00 - [15] - Quote Well, I actually don't mind that it's low at this point since it's like EVE Online where it had about 300,000 subscribers (last time I checked when I used to be on that game a few years ago,) compared to WoW which were in the millions. As the numbers gradually increase, it will be healthy but not overhyped like COD/BF3 unless if Dust does become a clone like them. I'm hoping that if Dust does stand on its own without bending over to the newcomers, then it will be equal to EVE Online where all the mature folks will be for the most part.
Makyre Vahliha Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 34	Posted - 2013.05.15 09:55:00 - [16] - Quote RedRebelCork wrote: Don't assume that everything from COD/BF3 is somehow lesser. The best games will always emulate those elements of their forebears that were effective. BF3 certainly has some features I'd like to see in Dust514 The majority of the younger and more casual playerbases in COD/BF3 will not have the patience to last long here. Those that do might very well have some good ideas to bring to the table. I suppose so. BF3 certainly does have some interesting stuff, though I have only played it a little.
DropKickSuicide Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 107	Posted - 2013.05.15 09:56:00 - [17] - Quote Makyre Vahliha wrote: Well, I actually don't mind that it's low at this point since it's like EVE Online where it had about 300,000 subscribers (last time I checked when I used to be on that game a few years ago,) compared to WoW which were in the millions. As the numbers gradually increase, it will be healthy but not overhyped like COD/BF3 unless if Dust does become a clone like them. I'm hoping that if Dust does stand on its own without bending over to the newcomers, then it will be equal to EVE Online where all the mature folks will be for the most part. Console FPSs cant survive like EVE has, CCP ( and everyone else ) needs to realize this. I will give DUST about a Year untill Destiny releases and then we will see just how good DUST is. As of right now DUST has virtually no Compitition ( other then AAA FPSs ) so if done right they can lock down the Market and actually have a fighting chance against Bungie and Destiny
Makyre Vahliha Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 34	Posted - 2013.05.15 10:05:00 - [18] - Quote DropKickSuicide wrote: Makyre Vahliha wrote: Well, I actually don't mind that it's low at this point since it's like EVE Online where it had about 300,000 subscribers (last time I checked when I used to be on that game a few years ago,) compared to WoW which were in the millions. As the numbers gradually increase, it will be healthy but not overhyped like COD/BF3 unless if Dust does become a clone like them. I'm hoping that if Dust does stand on its own without bending over to the newcomers, then it will be equal to EVE Online where all the mature folks will be for the most part. Console FPSs cant survive like EVE has, CCP ( and everyone else ) needs to realize this. I will give DUST about a Year untill Destiny releases and then we will see just how good DUST is. As of right now DUST has virtually no Compitition ( other then AAA FPSs ) so if done right they can lock down the Market and actually have a fighting chance against Bungie and Destiny I posted a thread about this a while back and while I hate to say it, it does look like Destiny will gobble Dust up because of Activision and Bungie because of the large amount of $$$ pouring into it. If Dust does improve dramatically to have a fighting chance like you say, then I will be happy.
Martin0 Brancaleone Maphia Clan Corporation CRONOS. 284	Posted - 2013.05.15 10:09:00 - [19] - Quote CCP already ****** up dust with uprising. All hope lost...
Arramakaian Eka Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 515	Posted - 2013.05.15 10:33:00 - [20] - Quote Well, Dust has a lot to learn from both games when it comes to smoothness of gameplay, and general FPS mechanics. It's not nearly as clunky as earlier builds, but we are still far away from AAA territory. I can't believe we get stuck on terrain at launch, and that there is gamebreaking CQC lag/framerate drops experienced by many. But I agree on the premise: Dust should retain its own flavor of FPS mechanics.

recons283 Tok'Ra. General Tso's Alliance 1	Posted - 2013.05.15 10:35:00 - [21] - Quote CCP is doing fine. The problem is the 5000 players are playing AR 514. So the problem again is the community, CCP is not turning this game to cod the players are.
Rorschach Mustang Opus Arcana Orion Empire 9	Posted - 2013.05.15 10:54:00 - [22] - Quote recons283 wrote: CCP is doing fine. The problem is the 5000 players are playing AR 514. So the problem again is the community, CCP is not turning this game to cod the players are. People wouldn't all be using ARs if CCP didn't nerf every other weapon, so yes, it is completely CCP's fault
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. CRONOS. 1509	Posted - 2013.05.15 11:16:00 - [23] - Quote Delta 749 wrote: Makyre Vahliha wrote: DropKickSuicide wrote: And with only 5000 players, I dont think its going to get "Well known" for a awhile I could be wrong, but someone brought up that changing the DMZ will see a display of +3,000 to +50,000 people. Mine says 2,450 right now and I haven't changed any settings on my router or the PS3. I did see about 50,000 once shortly before the Uprising update. But I agree, it will take some time for people to learn that Dust 514 exists. Thats because CCP was padding the number by including how many people were logged in to EVE Or the fact that Tranquility displays whoever connects to it without discriminating. But no, there's always an ulterior motive. What was I thinking?
BMSTUBBY KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 221	Posted - 2013.05.15 12:26:00 - [24] - Quote To late. You should have posted this a few builds ago.
EnIgMa99 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 309	Posted - 2013.05.15 12:46:00 - [25] - Quote Its not a cod clone or a bf3 clone, it has too many numbers and skill tree crap. Thing that I would hope for it to have from cod or battlefield is have everyone visible at every distance and have the hit detection, latency, aiming/gun mechanics, terrain issues, turrets, weapon balance fixed just like it is in other shooters like cod bf3.
EnIgMa99 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 309	Posted - 2013.05.15 12:47:00 - [26] - Quote recons283 wrote: CCP is doing fine. The problem is the 5000 players are playing AR 514. So the problem again is the community, CCP is not turning this game to cod the players are. CCP only made 1 gun viable cause it has range so everyone is going to use that gun, don't blame the player blame the game. or CCP for this matter
Vyzion Eyri The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION 647	Posted - 2013.05.15 13:04:00 - [27] - Quote It's funny because 'clone'. Hehehehe
kenderr cillo Grupo de Asalto Chacal CRONOS. 12	Posted - 2013.05.15 13:09:00 - [28] - Quote recons283 wrote: CCP is doing fine. The problem is the 5000 players are playing AR 514. So the problem again is the community, CCP is not turning this game to cod the players are. Yeah, people should play with bad design weapons and die against AR, this would make the game better.
BASSMEANT ZionTCD Unclaimed. 224	Posted - 2013.05.15 13:13:00 - [29] - Quote "most" battlefield players know what they are doing. they are smarter then your average cod/halo players. unless they are cod players... those guys are too stupid to help. Peace B
Laheon Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 481	Posted - 2013.05.15 13:34:00 - [30] - Quote Anyone looking for DUST server stats should use this link: http://eve-offline.net/?server=dust When 50k was recorded, that was total number on Tranquility - as EVE and DUST are linked, and technically DUST runs on the TQ server, it was showing the number on TQ rather than the number of people on DUST. Possibly a small mistake when linking it in-game.

Beast Beastlington Bragian Order Amarr Empire 267	Posted - 2013.05.15 13:34:00 - [31] - Quote Hate to be the bearer of bad news but uh, yeah. It already is highly influenced by both. Skirmish is the same mode as Conquest in BF. So yeah. Too late.
Skihids The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION 1320	Posted - 2013.05.15 14:04:00 - [32] - Quote Beast Beastlington wrote: Hate to be the bearer of bad news but uh, yeah. It already is highly influenced by both. Skirmish is the same mode as Conquest in BF. So yeah. Too late. It's a simple lobby shooter with two game modes, neither of which offer any strategy other than "get there first" and "shoot first with the highest DPS". So right now it doesn't offer anything more than those other shooters, and it isn't as smooth. It's AR514 because there isn't any incentive to use any fitting other than assault. It's all about rushing and killing with nothing else to do. This will change only when the game modes become more complex.


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