DUST Search - No Love for Snipers

Poonmunch wrote:

Deadeye Dic wrote:

Do you hate snipers that much CCP?

1. Objectives now have "walls" around them making it harder for snipers to defend NULL Cannons.
2. None of the suits benefit snipers. On top of that, none of the racial suits have anything snipers can really use.
3. With rare exception, most objectives are behind or inside areas that snipers can't even get a clear shot on.
4. Larger maps, decreased ranges. Need I say more? (Although I know CCP has addressed ranges.)

Snipers are a dying breed in Dust. What's the point of sniping? Can't be to counter snipe, since Uprising, the number of actual snipers has decreased. Gone are the days of finding snipers in the hills. In 7 matches, I have seen 4 snipers, 3 of those were on my team.

It's bad enough that scout suits are trash for defense (shield or armor) and I could deal with that if I wasn't forced to engage assault with ARs. So I had to get into assault suits just to be able to contend a little bit, but that's not any better. Sniper's spend points in sniping only to find out it was a waste, since none of the maps are sniper friendly anymore.

I'm not an elite sniper or player by any means, but since Uprising, I have gone from an average of 10-15 kills a match to 1-5 kills a match. That's not good mechanics for snipers at all.

For those who think I'm just QQ'ing....you bet your ass I am and IDGAF if you like it or not.

Are these things different than they were two days ago? I can't check because I'm at work right now.


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Deadeye Dic IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 47	Posted - 2013.05.14 20:49:00 - [1] - Quote Do you hate snipers that much CCP? 1. Objectives now have "walls" around them making it harder for snipers to defend NULL Cannons. 2. None of the suits benefit snipers. On top of that, none of the racial suits have anything snipers can really use. 3. With rare exception, most objectives are behind or inside areas that snipers can't even get a clear shot on. 4. Larger maps, decreased ranges. Need I say more? (Although I know CCP has addressed ranges.) Snipers are a dying breed in Dust. What's the point of sniping? Can't be to counter snipe, since Uprising, the number of actual snipers has decreased. Gone are the days of finding snipers in the hills. In 7 matches, I have seen 4 snipers, 3 of those were on my team. It's bad enough that scout suits are trash for defense (shield or armor) and I could deal with that if I wasn't forced to engage assault with ARs. So I had to get into assault suits just to be able to contend a little bit, but that's not any better. Sniper's spend points in sniping only to find out it was a waste, since none of the maps are sniper friendly anymore. I'm not an elite sniper or player by any means, but since Uprising, I have gone from an average of 10-15 kills a match to 1-5 kills a match. That's not good mechanics for snipers at all. For those who think I'm just QQ'ing....you bet your ass I am and IDGAF if you like it or not.
Deadeye Dic IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 47	Posted - 2013.05.14 20:55:00 - [2] - Quote Llan Heindell wrote: Are you kidding me? You are not doing "sniper" right then. Because good specialized snipers can hit for around 900 damage. I already got hit for 1500 damage by a Thale's sniper rifle... Llan Heindell. Who said anything about damage? Not one of my complaints was about damage.
Deadeye Dic IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 47	Posted - 2013.05.14 20:57:00 - [3] - Quote Icy Xenosmilus wrote: You honestly think it's fair for a sniper to be able to look at an objective? You honestly think that fairness applies to a CCP game? Since most objectives are "inside" and out of view of snipers to begin with, I think being able to snipe into an objective is pretty reasonable.
Deadeye Dic IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 47	Posted - 2013.05.14 21:08:00 - [4] - Quote Akcinzol wrote: so the other day i got sniped 4 times in a skirmish. the guy had a good spot and we didnt find him till the end of the match. we depleted all the clones. thus all the kills counted. he finished 30/0 with a charged sniper rifle. i think the problem is you. Oh I'd have to see proof of that! I know some fairly good snipers and before Uprising, yeah I could believe that in a heartbeat. Since Uprising, nope haven't seen it or heard of it until now. I have already said that I'm not an elite player, but since Uprising the numbers of snipers have gone down, the new maps released today and some of the old maps are very sniper unfriendly. I never said that there weren't good snipers out there, all I said was that none of the changes in Uprising are beneficial to snipers. Every other class has something that benefits them in some manner or another, whether its gear or objective layout to improve CQC. Pick any map or any gear and tell me, what is the benefit to snipers? As long range killers, don't really need shields since most players either can't find us or can't get to us. Armor is useless, slows us down. They made the Charge Sniper Rifle a Proto weapon. (Not that I really care, since I'm into proto weapons anyway) Overheating, not an issue. Scan profile and such...no reason to have it for the same reason that shield mods aren't needed. The point is, other than sniper rifles, snipers have nothing that works specifically to their favor. I'm not saying cater to snipers by any means, I'm saying that compared to other classes, snipers didn't benefit from this Expansion. Nothing more, nothing less.
Deadeye Dic IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 47	Posted - 2013.05.14 21:10:00 - [5] - Quote Poonmunch wrote: Deadeye Dic wrote: Do you hate snipers that much CCP? 1. Objectives now have "walls" around them making it harder for snipers to defend NULL Cannons. 2. None of the suits benefit snipers. On top of that, none of the racial suits have anything snipers can really use. 3. With rare exception, most objectives are behind or inside areas that snipers can't even get a clear shot on. 4. Larger maps, decreased ranges. Need I say more? (Although I know CCP has addressed ranges.) Snipers are a dying breed in Dust. What's the point of sniping? Can't be to counter snipe, since Uprising, the number of actual snipers has decreased. Gone are the days of finding snipers in the hills. In 7 matches, I have seen 4 snipers, 3 of those were on my team. It's bad enough that scout suits are trash for defense (shield or armor) and I could deal with that if I wasn't forced to engage assault with ARs. So I had to get into assault suits just to be able to contend a little bit, but that's not any better. Sniper's spend points in sniping only to find out it was a waste, since none of the maps are sniper friendly anymore. I'm not an elite sniper or player by any means, but since Uprising, I have gone from an average of 10-15 kills a match to 1-5 kills a match. That's not good mechanics for snipers at all. For those who think I'm just QQ'ing....you bet your ass I am and IDGAF if you like it or not. Are these things different than they were two days ago? I can't check because I'm at work right now. Not really, I was just waiting for the new maps to come out before I said anything and I was waiting to see exactly what changes were going to happen overall.
Deadeye Dic IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 47	Posted - 2013.05.14 21:17:00 - [6] - Quote Chinduko wrote: CCP has increased the dmg to SR's as it appears. How can anyone complain about SRs anymore. A charge SR single shot me for over 640 dmg. It seems like CCP like the SR. The redline has even been brought forward so snipers could get close to the action without recourse. In Chromosome build, the redline was so far back, snipers had to worry about being snuck up on. I think CCP has done good things for you. The redline has only been brought forward on a few maps. As far as damage goes, the charge had the same base damage it had before uprising, it wasn't until after they gave EVERYONE a blanket 10% increase in damage the other day that the base dmg of the sniper rifle went up. Which it is like 312 now, up from 299. As far as being hit, yeah I can do it too. All I have to do is get in a Proto assault suit, stack 5 Complex Damage mods and max out my max my proficiency and any sniper can hit that hard. But it doesn't matter how hard they can hit if they have nothing to shot at. I have spent entire matches and not seen anything to shoot at, except on Manus Peak (or whatever they are calling ti now). With exception of maybe 3 or 4 players who wandered out to the outside objectives like D and E, otherwise most players are "inside" where objectives A-C are, meaning snipers can't get to those players.
Deadeye Dic IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 47	Posted - 2013.05.14 21:38:00 - [7] - Quote Oh I see what you are all saying. I'm a **** poor player and should play CoD instead. Gotcha, my bad. WTF, was I thinking trying to analyze sniping for god sakes. I am so sorry, I have lost my mind. I retract it all and will spec into an OP Logi cookie cutter build to compete. I am so stupid for thinking that snipers didn't get any love with Uprising. I mean we get massive damage hits and we get.....oh we got places to hide and we got......hmmmmm..... Wait a minute, snipers could always hit hard and we've always had places to snipe from, so we got nothing. Re-Flex I agree that it is a specialization and some of the quirks are fine, but the fact remains that there are fewer snipers now overall, the larger maps and lower range, along with disappearing players(not a sniper complaint, but a real issues for all players), the fact that all of the new maps have so much clutter on them that you can't snipe into anything, the exposed objectives are now more protected from snipers because of the QQ about that before Uprising. It's not impossible to play as a sniper, by any means, but snipers are having to work a lot harder than everyone else just to stay competitive.