I don't think they going to nerfed at all. Let me explain ..


I give up with the Caldai Logi suit, no because i worrying about the nerf, but because the early ones are rubbish, and the normal Assault suit is much, much better. Only the Pro-logi one, give you a "small" advantage. But the Pro Assault suit is considerably all around better.

I played both logi and assault in Chromosome and was supposed to go Caldari Logi this build but couldnt let go of the sidearm so I stuck it out with the basic medium frame.

Here's what went through my head when I wanted to go Proto Racial Caldari Logi

1) It had 5 Highs and 4 lows (1 slot more than the Gallente and Minmatar)
2) I can shield tank with the racial bonus and skills which would give me over 600+ shields and have enough CPU/PG for other low modules
3) I basically get a free Complex Armor Repair due to the Logi Bonus without using a slot
4) CPU/PG problems? With full Engineering, Electronics and Core Upgrades you get a nice 507 CPU and 91 PG --- still not enough? I've got 4 low slots to put CPU/PG module if need be.
5) 4 low slots --- I can either Armor tank/Speed tank or both and fit shield rechargers in there as well (or was it regulator i forget)
6) My sprint speed if I choose to speed tank can overcome a scouts if I put 2-3 complex kin cats in there.
7) id still have room for equipment which I have 3 of.

Now, before you go saying it's only caldari ---- yes it is the best dropsuit for all-around. Gallente and Minmatar doesnt have that much slots as Caldari but it is damn close to its efficiency depending on how you want to build your merc.

Now, let's compare it to the Assault Racial Suit (regardless of which race):

1) Assault bonus is 25% recharge rate which is basically the amount of shields you get per tick --- Is it good? Maybe for Caldari with bigger shield tanking but not for ALL suits. Honestly, as a caldari user --- its meh at best for me. Id rather have the Armor repair so I can ditch my complex one for some other module
2) Racial bonuses of all assault --- laughable only Gallente really has some meat into it due to the fact that that most skills which deduct cpu/pg usage were taken out.
3) The rest are already discussed by how logi's are more well-rounded and superior to the Assaults

Only good thing about Assaults? is the Sidearm --- Amarr Logi has it though.

So, what's the best way to fix this without really nerfing logis?

I dont have a clear cut solution but my contribution to this conundrum is this:

Switch out the Assault slots with the Logi slots.

Assault with more slots would be limited due to their base CPU / PG, while Logis with so much extra CPU/PG can still maintain their Proto weapons but will be forced to actually invest in better ADV/PROTO gear.

Logis who want to be combat viable can still be while maintaining their support (equipment) role but will be limited in terms of their tanking (shield/armor) capabilities due to their limited slots.

The issue really is about how Logisitics can do a better job than the Assaults AND Scouts. If CCP wants a semi-role specific with the ability to be versatile, they need to balance the suits out that there is some limitation if they want to veer away from their "intended" role.

- Zarr

Actually.. i was talking more about armor ... considering that the "Amarr Scrambler Rifle " is coming soon, i can't see what the benefit of having lost of shields is. I prefer having a good "shield / armor" balance.

You know how much CPU and PG of a complex armor plate costs? I forget the numbers but its less than the complex shield extender. Around 40+ CPU and less than 10 PG.

4 low slots --- Caldari well, even any other race can BOTH shield and armor tank.

Sudden influx of scrambler rifles and flux grenades? No problem! 3 complex Armor Plates 1 Complex Armor Rep + logi bonus = +10 HP per second. Shield tank a bit put 2-3 Complex Shield Extenders and then 2 Complex Damage Mods. Who can outlast who in that scenario?

Anyway, I knew Caldari Logi was OP which is why I wanted to go that route. People can adapt against shield tanking but the dropsuit allows people to adjust to that as well.

Lol, 3 complex plates... -30% of speed, moving slower than a heavy is going to help to survive.

I've been sitting here arguing for 3 days about this logi gate issue and nobody listens, not the players, or even members of the CPM. Screw it! You want to nerf the entire logistics class because of one suit that doesn't have support bonuses like the others. I get spammed with hate mail for getting kills just because I'm a mellow fellow in yellow.

Fine I'm done trying to help this community. Not like it matters when an entire game mechanic can be changed based off of an office party and instead of 2 years of beta testing. Go ahead CCP, nerf me! Take my super OP 5% hacking bonus that's only arguably good in one game mode. Take my light weapon with the lack of a sidearm that was traded for more slots and equipment, I don't need it anymore. The assaults are so threatened by my tradeoffs for versatility at the cost of speed and want to keep their crappy 2% hybrid weapon reload speed bonuses when they don't even know what a damn hybrid weapon is, FINE!

I've defended tanks, heavies, scouts, heavies again, dropships, HAV, LAV, and this is the thanks I get? Keep the nerf witch hunt going, I don't think Dust 514 is ****ed up enough.

I'll be in game if anyone from here wants to talk to me, enjoying the game before you all kill it.

People is only looking at the stats that FIT into their argument ....sadly...

On twitter I'm reading ideas of removing logi slots which is somehow supposed to better realise the role.

I hope CCP uses better judgement and reads the logical solutions given in your posts and Logi Bro's post.

I swear if they go off of Twitter for their effing ideas im done. Really if they pull their idea off a 140 character service then i hope this entire thing fails.


Dropping slots has been covered as to why its a bad idea. ITs not the damn slots that make logis so appealing, minmatar logis had 4 high 4 low and for 3 equipment you could be faster than assaults and have as much stamina as scouts, why did ppl go with caldari logi then?

Cause you could shield tank it way higher than you could with a minmatar and its 4 high slots and the movement difference wasn't enough of a bonus on the minmatar logi to warrant it.

The lesson is right there a difference of .2-.3m/s movement is not enough incentive if you can achieve higher tank. Guess what thats why CALDARI LOGI is being chosen, because ppl are giving up .2-.3m/s of movement for a much higher level of tank on the suit.

Reducce/Change the racial bonus on the caldari logi and perhaps lower its PG(with 4 lows if the suit becomes to PG intensive as most do, it will require using PG modules, forcing the assault players who use it to give up those slots otherwise used for speed mods, stamina mods, and shield regulators)---> This is why the suit is so menacing. If people knew how ppl are building their suits on the low end they'd get that.

OP noobsuit

standard amarr logi suit with scrambler pistol

1) It had 5 Highs and 4 lows (1 slot more than the Gallente and Minmatar)
2) I can shield tank with the racial bonus and skills which would give me over 600+ shields and have enough CPU/PG for other low modules
3) I basically get a free Complex Armor Repair due to the Logi Bonus without using a slot
4) CPU/PG problems? With full Engineering, Electronics and Core Upgrades you get a nice 507 CPU and 91 PG --- still not enough? I've got 4 low slots to put CPU/PG module if need be.
5) 4 low slots --- I can either Armor tank/Speed tank or both and fit shield rechargers in there as well (or was it regulator i forget)
6) My sprint speed if I choose to speed tank can overcome a scouts if I put 2-3 complex kin cats in there.
7) id still have room for equipment which I have 3 of.
- Zarr

I've been sitting here arguing for 3 days about this logi gate issue and nobody listens, not the players, or even members of the CPM. Screw it! You want to nerf the entire logistics class because of one suit that doesn't have support bonuses like the others. I get spammed with hate mail for getting kills just because I'm a mellow fellow in yellow.

Fine I'm done trying to help this community. Not like it matters when an entire game mechanic can be changed based off of an office party and instead of 2 years of beta testing. Go ahead CCP, nerf me! Take my super OP 5% hacking bonus that's only arguably good in one game mode. Take my light weapon with the lack of a sidearm that was traded for more slots and equipment, I don't need it anymore. The assaults are so threatened by my tradeoffs for versatility at the cost of speed and want to keep their crappy 2% hybrid weapon reload speed bonuses when they don't even know what a damn hybrid weapon is, FINE!

I've defended tanks, heavies, scouts, heavies again, dropships, HAV, LAV, and this is the thanks I get? Keep the nerf witch hunt going, I don't think Dust 514 is up enough.

I'll be in game if anyone from here wants to talk to me, enjoying the game before you all kill it.

I've been sitting here arguing for 3 days about this logi gate issue and nobody listens, not the players, or even members of the CPM. Screw it! You want to nerf the entire logistics class because of one suit that doesn't have support bonuses like the others. I get spammed with hate mail for getting kills just because I'm a mellow fellow in yellow.

Fine I'm done trying to help this community. Not like it matters when an entire game mechanic can be changed based off of an office party and instead of 2 years of beta testing. Go ahead CCP, nerf me! Take my super OP 5% hacking bonus that's only arguably good in one game mode. Take my light weapon with the lack of a sidearm that was traded for more slots and equipment, I don't need it anymore. The assaults are so threatened by my tradeoffs for versatility at the cost of speed and want to keep their crappy 2% hybrid weapon reload speed bonuses when they don't even know what a damn hybrid weapon is, FINE!

I've defended tanks, heavies, scouts, heavies again, dropships, HAV, LAV, and this is the thanks I get? Keep the nerf witch hunt going, I don't think Dust 514 is up enough.

I'll be in game if anyone from here wants to talk to me, enjoying the game before you all kill it.

I've lost all faith in humanity

have you actually read what I wrote?

Dont give up man, and remember there will always be us Heavys to break your fall and to keep you from being the worst class in game,

As an ex-heavy.... that's not comforting, that's our future