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          Psychotic Shooter 
          Opus Arcana Orion Empire
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        Posted - 2013.05.13 12:51:00 -
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          1. why should no skill scrubs have access to high lvl grenades for ISK 2.Why do they do so much damage for no skill isk grenades
  All AV NADE need to be nerfed as they do as much as forge and swarms when is take longer to fire forges and swarms | 
      
      
      
          
          Cosgar 
          The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
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        Posted - 2013.05.13 12:56:00 -
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          Someone screwed up and it was supposed to be an AUR only item. Theyre working on it.
  Or they just don't HAV a heart. | 
      
      
      
          
          SGTGrimReaper 
          KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
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        Posted - 2013.05.13 13:52:00 -
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          Everyone is running with them and throwing them at any vehicle and destroy them. You get two people throwing them and it takes out anything and I mean anything out. | 
      
      
      
          
          Smoky The Bear 
          Intergalactic Cannibus Cartel
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        Posted - 2013.05.13 13:56:00 -
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          they only kill lowbie tanks anyways.. 3 hacked av nades DO NOT KILL real shielded tanks.. so ya take away the only real way to kill tanks at this point.. good idea | 
      
      
      
          
          Django Quik 
          R.I.f.t Orion Empire
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        Posted - 2013.05.13 14:25:00 -
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          Cosgar wrote:Someone screwed up and it was supposed to be an AUR only item. Theyre working on it.
  Or they just don't HAV a heart.   They're not even meant to be aurum items - they're meant to only come with one of the new merc packs, similarly to the fused locus grenades. | 
      
      
      
          
          calisk galern 
          BurgezzE.T.F Orion Empire
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        Posted - 2013.05.13 14:28:00 -
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          meh it would take all of a a week to skill into grenades level 4. they don't have any cpu/pg useage advantage in any way.
  at the end of the day if and when they fix it people will still skill into them, and you will still lose your tank, i'd be more worried about finding a way to keep yourself alive, then people being able to use these. | 
      
      
      
          
          calisk galern 
          BurgezzE.T.F Orion Empire
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        Posted - 2013.05.13 14:28:00 -
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          double post | 
      
      
      
          
          Cosgar 
          The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
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        Posted - 2013.05.13 14:39:00 -
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          Oh, and just so you know: they ninja buffed the Mass Driver to have AV properties... | 
      
      
      
          
          Kekklian Noobatronic 
          Goonfeet
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        Posted - 2013.05.13 15:19:00 -
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          Psychotic Shooter wrote:1. why should no skill scrubs have access to high lvl grenades for ISK 2.Why do they do so much damage for no skill isk grenades
  All AV NADE need to be nerfed as they do as much as forge and swarms when is take longer to fire forges and swarms  
  Clearly, another satisfied customer of CCP's patented 'Dust Scrub Rage Induction System'(DSRIS for short).
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          Darken-Sol 
          BIG BAD W0LVES Eternal Syndicate
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        Posted - 2013.05.13 23:05:00 -
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          SGTGrimReaper wrote:Everyone is running with them and throwing them at any vehicle and destroy them. You get two people throwing them and it takes out anything and I mean anything out.  
  thanks for the tip. i'll pass it on to ppl who do not make it to the forums | 
      
      
      
          
          Rachoi 
          HavoK Core RISE of LEGION
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        Posted - 2013.05.14 00:03:00 -
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          Cosgar wrote:Oh, and just so you know: they ninja buffed the Mass Driver to have AV properties...  
  not true, MD has only been enough to hamper a tank's abilities, its jsut more useful against Armor than sheilds >...>
  that's about it, since those direct hits are the only effective damage i could possibly do to a tank with a MD | 
      
      
      
          
          Charizard Zakalwe 
          Goonfeet
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        Posted - 2013.05.14 03:17:00 -
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          You do realise that the only way AV grenades are useful are in the range where it's a serious game of chicken to kill a LAV (you can easily be killed by the grenade/jeep explosion or by being run over, and any decent tank or a tank with small manned turrets can prevent AV grenades from really getting used. If your tank is being wrecked by a guy chucking a whole three nades (even the Hacked EX-0 ones, which are weaker than the Packed AV Grenades), your vehicle is poorly fit and you're a bad driver and deserve to lose your vehicle and I am glad to take it from you. | 
      
      
      
          
          Delta 749 
          Maverick Security Consulting
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        Posted - 2013.05.14 03:39:00 -
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          Charizard Zakalwe wrote:You do realise that the only way AV grenades are useful are in the range where it's a serious game of chicken to kill a LAV (you can easily be killed by the grenade/jeep explosion or by being run over, and any decent tank or a tank with small manned turrets can prevent AV grenades from really getting used. If your tank is being wrecked by a guy chucking a whole three nades (even the Hacked EX-0 ones, which are weaker than the Packed AV Grenades), your vehicle is poorly fit and you're a bad driver and deserve to lose your vehicle and I am glad to take it from you.   
  A thousand times this | 
      
      
      
          
          Vallud Eadesso 
          Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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        Posted - 2013.05.14 03:43:00 -
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          Psychotic Shooter wrote:1. why should no skill scrubs have access to high lvl grenades for ISK 2.Why do they do so much damage for no skill isk grenades
  All AV NADE need to be nerfed as they do as much as forge and swarms when is take longer to fire forges and swarms  
  While I agree hacked AV nades may need looking at a LITTLE, what the HELL do you think you're doing by bringing a tank that close to infantry? Tanks stay away from infantry and tight places for a VERY good reason. They're vulnerable.
  Why have I had to say this so many times on the forums lately? If you drive a tank up to infantry you KNOW have AV grenades, you cannot complain when you get killed by AV grenades. At least you have an option of actually doing what a tank is SUPPOSED to do and provide heavy support, unlike the poor sods who can't hurt Tactical ARs.
  You are not a battering ram, you're a heavy hitter. Learn your role and stay away from the guys who have to get RIGHT ON TOP OF YOU to even hurt you. If you get close enough for me to be able to employ AV grenades on you, i'm going to laugh at you over my team comms, and then feel absolutely no shred of remorse as I blow you to bits.
  Jeeeeesus. | 
      
      
      
          
          Delta 749 
          Maverick Security Consulting
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        Posted - 2013.05.14 04:08:00 -
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          Vallud Eadesso wrote:Psychotic Shooter wrote:1. why should no skill scrubs have access to high lvl grenades for ISK 2.Why do they do so much damage for no skill isk grenades
  All AV NADE need to be nerfed as they do as much as forge and swarms when is take longer to fire forges and swarms  While I agree hacked AV nades may need looking at a LITTLE, what the HELL do you think you're doing by bringing a tank that close to infantry? Tanks stay away from infantry and tight places for a VERY good reason. They're massive, very hard to hide, very hard to protect and all that combined makes them vulnerable. Why have I had to say this so many times on the forums lately? If you drive a tank up to infantry you KNOW have AV grenades, you cannot complain when you get killed by AV grenades. Go look up what real tankers call "Hull Down" because that's the only damned way to protect a tank, and something you should be doing too (Because I know you won't:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Leclerc-openphotonet_PICT5995.JPG this is what a tank looks like Hull Down.  DO THIS). At least you have an option of actually doing what a tank is SUPPOSED to do and provide heavy support, unlike the poor sods who can't hurt Tactical ARs. You are not a battering ram, you're a heavy hitter. Learn your role and stay away from the guys who have to get RIGHT ON TOP OF YOU to even hurt you. If you get close enough for me to be able to employ AV grenades on you, i'm going to laugh at you over my team comms, and then feel absolutely no shred of remorse as I blow you to bits. So annoyed by all the 'tankers' (hah...) crying that they died when they don't even know how to use a fecking tank. Yes tanks need a SLIGHT buff, but if you play one like a bigger dropsuit, you're a damned idiot. Jeeeeesus.  
  Inb4 tanker whines at you saying you need to spend millions of SP to know anything about a tank or tactics | 
      
      
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