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lowratehitman
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Posted - 2013.05.13 08:16:00 -
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So I have not been on in a couple days, the fourms that is, and it is the same as always...NERF crazy. I was reluctant to skill into logi, and the TAC AR but what are you supposed to do if you want to compete? I know , here it goes " I dont use those and I do just fine". I skilled into logi to actually be a logi and assist my team with equipment, and now I see that people want it nerfed due to the assault aspect that it is being used for. I am going to just go ahead and say this to clear up the big misconception I believe alot of players have about a suit or weapon being OP.
SP IS KING.....if you have it, it does not matter what suit you skill into, you can make it awesome, core skills!
There is always going to be a OP weapon, because their is always going to be a weapon that can counter your build.
SO...nerf the logi, give me all my almost 12 million sp back, and we will find something elese that is op to invest it in.....until people realize that 5 million sp is not going to be able to counter 12 million well placed sp, unless you snipe, use a grenade, or shoot someone in the back. |
lowratehitman
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Posted - 2013.05.13 08:31:00 -
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Sir Meode wrote:lowratehitman wrote:
SP IS KING.....if you have it, it does not matter what suit you skill into, you can make it awesome, core skills!
I have to disagree, there are plenty of players that, irrelivent of how much more SP you have to them, will always kill you first.
Start an ALT account and see how well you do
SP MAKES THE WORLD GO ROUND ! |
lowratehitman
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Posted - 2013.05.13 08:32:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote:lowratehitman wrote:So I have not been on in a couple days, the fourms that is, and it is the same as always...NERF crazy. I was reluctant to skill into logi, and the TAC AR but what are you supposed to do if you want to compete? I know , here it goes " I dont use those and I do just fine". I skilled into logi to actually be a logi and assist my team with equipment, and now I see that people want it nerfed due to the assault aspect that it is being used for. I am going to just go ahead and say this to clear up the big misconception I believe alot of players have about a suit or weapon being OP.
SP IS KING.....if you have it, it does not matter what suit you skill into, you can make it awesome, core skills!
There is always going to be a OP weapon, because their is always going to be a weapon that can counter your build.
SO...nerf the logi, give me all my almost 12 million sp back, and we will find something elese that is op to invest it in.....until people realize that 5 million sp is not going to be able to counter 12 million well placed sp, unless you snipe, use a grenade, or shoot someone in the back. If SP is the monarch you say it is, then this game is well & truly broken.
Start an alt account and wait until PC is avail... compete in either PC/FW or pub matches and see how SP effects the game |
lowratehitman
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Posted - 2013.05.13 08:37:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote:lowratehitman wrote:So I have not been on in a couple days, the fourms that is, and it is the same as always...NERF crazy. I was reluctant to skill into logi, and the TAC AR but what are you supposed to do if you want to compete? I know , here it goes " I dont use those and I do just fine". I skilled into logi to actually be a logi and assist my team with equipment, and now I see that people want it nerfed due to the assault aspect that it is being used for. I am going to just go ahead and say this to clear up the big misconception I believe alot of players have about a suit or weapon being OP.
SP IS KING.....if you have it, it does not matter what suit you skill into, you can make it awesome, core skills!
There is always going to be a OP weapon, because their is always going to be a weapon that can counter your build.
SO...nerf the logi, give me all my almost 12 million sp back, and we will find something elese that is op to invest it in.....until people realize that 5 million sp is not going to be able to counter 12 million well placed sp, unless you snipe, use a grenade, or shoot someone in the back. If SP is the monarch you say it is, then this game is well & truly broken.
And if it wasnt the monarch, why do so many people want x3 sp or more SP, you see it all the time in the fourms.
What we have is several types of players right now.
One type is dedicated sp grinders, which has included myself, and many people with more or less sp than me.
another is the "entittled" player that does not have much SP, but believes that they are entittled to better gear and weapons.
than the weekend warriors that only play on the weekend for fun, and if it gets too stressfull, they will put pokemon on and play that. |
lowratehitman
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Posted - 2013.05.13 08:39:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote:JL3Eleven wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:lowratehitman wrote:So I have not been on in a couple days, the fourms that is, and it is the same as always...NERF crazy. I was reluctant to skill into logi, and the TAC AR but what are you supposed to do if you want to compete? I know , here it goes " I dont use those and I do just fine". I skilled into logi to actually be a logi and assist my team with equipment, and now I see that people want it nerfed due to the assault aspect that it is being used for. I am going to just go ahead and say this to clear up the big misconception I believe alot of players have about a suit or weapon being OP.
SP IS KING.....if you have it, it does not matter what suit you skill into, you can make it awesome, core skills!
There is always going to be a OP weapon, because their is always going to be a weapon that can counter your build.
SO...nerf the logi, give me all my almost 12 million sp back, and we will find something elese that is op to invest it in.....until people realize that 5 million sp is not going to be able to counter 12 million well placed sp, unless you snipe, use a grenade, or shoot someone in the back. If SP is the monarch you say it is, then this game is well & truly broken. Please explain further. Thanks. If the OP is saying nobody should expect to be able to compete with higher SP players, then we may as well pack up shop and have matches decided by a simple program that adds up the total sp of both sides. I'm inclined to agree that this is close to the current state of affairs, but where I differ from the OP is in his apparent satisfaction with this potentially game-killing situation.
It is what it is... Doubt what I say, but deep down, we ALL know that SP is KING |
lowratehitman
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Posted - 2013.05.13 08:48:00 -
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Why IS SP KING....that should be the question....
SP is KING due to .....SP = TIME PLAYED
The longer you play, the better build you will be able to create, with proper SP placement.
Is this not an EVE based game? Has the EVE players forgot ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ what I just wrote?
In the real world it is called Seniority.... the same method that was used to pick the CPM basically...it is what it is, I am sorry for being blunt, but CCP needs to remind everyone about this concept of the game.
When you intice people with nice things and they are out of reach for many players, it creates a mental and battlefield imbalance. |
lowratehitman
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Posted - 2013.05.13 08:50:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote:lowratehitman wrote:
And if it wasnt the monarch, why do so many people want x3 sp or more SP, you see it all the time in the fourms.
What we have is several types of players right now.
One type is dedicated sp grinders, which has included myself, and many people with more or less sp than me.
another is the "entittled" player that does not have much SP, but believes that they are entittled to better gear and weapons.
than the weekend warriors that only play on the weekend for fun, and if it gets too stressfull, they will put pokemon on and play that.
You seem to be quoting me in posts where you challenge an argument I haven't made. It's a little curious.
I am glad we agree than! |
lowratehitman
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Posted - 2013.05.13 08:55:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:And that is the biggest problem with this game, SP shouldnt save you if you are a bad player but I see it happen all too often in matches
I agree...I am a perfect example, i am a horrible player, but my sp makes up for lack of ability and helps me alot. |
lowratehitman
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Posted - 2013.05.13 09:33:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:Rei Shepard wrote:lowratehitman wrote:Why IS SP KING....that should be the question....
SP is KING due to .....SP = TIME PLAYED
The longer you play, the better build you will be able to create, with proper SP placement.
Is this not an EVE based game? Has the EVE players forgot ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ what I just wrote?
In the real world it is called Seniority.... the same method that was used to pick the CPM basically...it is what it is, I am sorry for being blunt, but CCP needs to remind everyone about this concept of the game.
When you intice people with nice things and they are out of reach for many players, it creates a mental and battlefield imbalance. I do just fine (3.0 KDR+) on a 0 SP alt i made to try and get used to these broken controls we got, and sure i do better on my 10.5m SP main with a 6.12 KDR running without a team. Why shouldnt we become better in the long run? There are 135434348434 shooters out there that have a flat level curve where you don't get more powerfull as you keep playing the game, but trust me that each game has its own share of OP weapons or combos, regardless of SP. Why should a new player have a disadvantage unrelated to player skill level and the only solution is to wait months to be on an even footing with others? Skill progression systems can work but only implemented well and our current system is not implemented well My favorite skill system from a semi recent game was the one used in MGO, skills level through use not time and you could only slot a certain amount at a time for use in combat so it was never felt game breaking Well aside from CQC +
BINGO...you nailed it, but this is how it is created due to this being "EVE" persay. Go on EVE and the same thing will happen, you have a 2 month old char going aginst a 2-10 yr vet and it is unbalanced. My main point is this is how DUST 514 works, it is a skill progression based MMOFPS and as much as people do not like to admit it, SP does give a major advantage....despite a few that does well on alt account "see above".
These people complaining about the race specific Logi's.....are prob not even specd into one, and the majority do not even have the SP to get into one.....yet QQ because that is what is killing them.
The game will soon be on a tipping point where "INVESTED" players are going to see no point in grinding SP to get into NICE DESIRABLE gear due to the hammer that follows. This game is not all about "killing" yet about advancing you char and your build.... with SP of course. |
lowratehitman
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Posted - 2013.05.13 10:30:00 -
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Nice story...truly, SP is KING....
and if you do not need sp and are having a good time...than F SP like you said.
But looking at core suit numbers trying to declare what is OP is STOOPID....cause guess what? SP is KING, and who knows how much or little SP has been put into core skills. |
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lowratehitman
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Posted - 2013.05.13 12:57:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:lowratehitman wrote:Nice story...truly, SP is KING....
and if you do not need sp and are having a good time...than F SP like you said.
But looking at core suit numbers trying to declare what is OP is STOOPID....cause guess what? SP is KING, and who knows how much or little SP has been put into core skills. 4x Complex damage mods will make anything look OP. Remember the Viziam? 
And we seen just what they do with the nerf hammer..hint viziam.
Do they not have stacking penalties fixed yet on dmg mods? |
lowratehitman
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Posted - 2013.05.13 12:59:00 -
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mrunknown2u2 wrote:lowratehitman wrote:Nice story...truly, SP is KING....
and if you do not need sp and are having a good time...than F SP like you said.
But looking at core suit numbers trying to declare what is OP is STOOPID....cause guess what? SP is KING, and who knows how much or little SP has been put into core skills. Our CEO is trying to get in touch with u for a vid :)
I will check my in game messages :) |
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