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DJINN leukoplast
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.05.12 11:44:00 -
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Tried the 'advanced' version tactical assault rifle tonight (Elmers GLU) with a DS3 (I was using Gek until now). Decided to spend 174k on it instead of core skills because we will be able to respec soon either way.
Anyway, it packs one heck of a punch (and with tons of kick). But the problem with the new garbage aiming, is that it seems to me that the Tac being used in absolute success has been from kb/m users who have a massive aiming/clicking (accuracy/fire-rate) advantage over DS3 users. I have seen far so many players fire the Tac AR with near automatic efficiency (modded controller?) Or just easy mode rapid-fire clicking of a mouse button? (vs big clunky R1 button on the DS3).
Just an observation, but my guess is that kb/m users are the ones who make the Tac AR "OP" right now. |
Cosgar
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
743
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Posted - 2013.05.12 11:48:00 -
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CCP confirmed that KB/M controls' have limitations on them now to prevent an unfair advantage.
*splash!*
Did you hear that? I think I hear your argument losing water. |
Delta 749
Maverick Security Consulting
58
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Posted - 2013.05.12 11:51:00 -
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See the way things work around here is if it killed you no matter what its OP when really most of the weapons fill a niche and if you use it outside of that niche you will do sub par except for the assault rifle which is decent across the board just like in real life
Now, what happens when you take a bunch of shooter fans who will choose the most balanced weapon and match them up against a bunch of RPG fans that expect their skill point allotments should give them an "I win" button?
Thats right, shooters outplaying the RPG players who think their characters stats should make them nearly invulnerable and of course the only way they could lose is because "Those CoD noobs are using OP weapons"
Also Haha to anyone that says this game is "tactical" its not, its no more tactical than most other shooters Ive played and hell even CoD doesnt let you bunny hop around |
Panther Alpha
WarRavens
Orion Empire
181
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Posted - 2013.05.12 11:52:00 -
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No sure what you talking about... I find it very hard to use the mouse with the Tactical... i have to poke the right click like a maniac to get a decent firing rate .. Is allot easier to get a high firing rate with the DS3.  |
Delta 749
Maverick Security Consulting
58
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Posted - 2013.05.12 11:54:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:CCP confirmed that KB/M controls' have limitations on them now to prevent an unfair advantage.
*splash!*
Did you hear that? I think I hear your argument losing water.
Map shoot to the mouse wheel, get an insane ROF, observe how mouse still has in born advantages and trying to implement both control schemes is a balancing nightmare that shouldnt have been attempted |
Panther Alpha
WarRavens
Orion Empire
181
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Posted - 2013.05.12 11:56:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:Cosgar wrote:CCP confirmed that KB/M controls' have limitations on them now to prevent an unfair advantage.
*splash!*
Did you hear that? I think I hear your argument losing water. Map shoot to the mouse wheel, get an insane ROF, observe how mouse still has in born advantages and trying to implement both control schemes is a balancing nightmare that shouldnt have been attempted
Map shoot the the mouse wheel ? ... do you even know what you talking about ? |
Cosgar
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
744
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Posted - 2013.05.12 11:57:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:Cosgar wrote:CCP confirmed that KB/M controls' have limitations on them now to prevent an unfair advantage.
*splash!*
Did you hear that? I think I hear your argument losing water. Map shoot to the mouse wheel, get an insane ROF, observe how mouse still has in born advantages and trying to implement both control schemes is a balancing nightmare that shouldnt have been attempted
Even if you try that, the recoil is high enough for you to need a steady hand to aim. But, I do agree that some changes need to be made to the TAR. It should probably have a lower ROF and a much wider hip fire spread. It's way too good at CQC. |
Panther Alpha
WarRavens
Orion Empire
181
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Posted - 2013.05.12 12:00:00 -
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Is this topic for real ? ...
Please talk me that is a joke, or something like that... |
Delta 749
Maverick Security Consulting
58
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Posted - 2013.05.12 12:00:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Delta 749 wrote:Cosgar wrote:CCP confirmed that KB/M controls' have limitations on them now to prevent an unfair advantage.
*splash!*
Did you hear that? I think I hear your argument losing water. Map shoot to the mouse wheel, get an insane ROF, observe how mouse still has in born advantages and trying to implement both control schemes is a balancing nightmare that shouldnt have been attempted Even if you try that, the recoil is high enough for you to need a steady hand to aim. But, I do agree that some changes need to be made to the TAR. It should probably have a lower ROF and a much wider hip fire spread. It's way too good at CQC.
If changes need to be made I would rather they leave the rate of fire at semi automatic and leave the hip fire spread the same but reduce the magazine size |
Martin0 Brancaleone
Maphia Clan Corporation
CRONOS.
274
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Posted - 2013.05.12 12:02:00 -
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The tactical is onl OP when used with modded controller so that it can fire practically on automatic.
The problem is not damage or clip size or recoil, the problem is the stupidly high rate of fire.
Cut the tactical rof to about 200rpm and the weapon is fixed. |
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Cosgar
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
744
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Posted - 2013.05.12 12:07:00 -
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Panther Alpha wrote:Is this topic for real ? ... Please talk me that is a joke, or something like that...
Afraid not. This is the same guy that wanted tanks out of ambush because he's too lazy to carry AV grenades, and proposed to nerf squad tactics in ambush. I stopped taking him seriously weeks ago. |
Delta 749
Maverick Security Consulting
58
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Posted - 2013.05.12 12:08:00 -
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Martin0 Brancaleone wrote:The tactical is onl OP when used with modded controller so that it can fire practically on automatic.
The problem is not damage or clip size or recoil, the problem is the stupidly high rate of fire.
Cut the tactical rof to about 200rpm and the weapon is fixed.
That wont change anything, I hit the R1 button at less than 200rpm and can still match full auto speed, most people can even though it can make your finger ache a bit if you play an entire match that way and engage the enemy a lot
Not denying that some people use turbo controllers for super easy mode though |
Chilled Pill
Pro Hic Immortalis
RISE of LEGION
58
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Posted - 2013.05.12 12:09:00 -
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Make Tac AR a scout only weapon. :) |
Cosgar
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
745
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Posted - 2013.05.12 12:12:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:[quote=Cosgar][quote=Delta 749]
If changes need to be made I would rather they leave the rate of fire at semi automatic and leave the hip fire spread the same but reduce the magazine size
Magazine size, recoil, and if they take back 5% back from the blanketed damage increase, the damage would be fine too. But there has to be something to limit it in CQC because it's more effective than the breach is supposed to be at that range. Maybe if there was a damage falloff inside optimal range like the laser so the user would have to rely on a sidearm. |
Panther Alpha
WarRavens
Orion Empire
181
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Posted - 2013.05.12 12:12:00 -
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Chilled Pill wrote:Make Tac AR a scout only weapon. :)
Yeah, because the poor scouts are Soooo under powered .... |
Cosgar
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
745
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Posted - 2013.05.12 12:15:00 -
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Panther Alpha wrote:Chilled Pill wrote:Make Tac AR a scout only weapon. :) Yeah, because the poor scouts are Soooo under powered ....
Have you seen a Minmatar scout with stacked catylizers? Speed tanking is a thing now. |
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