DUST Search - Midular shooter identified, appears in court

Denak Kalamari wrote:

First of all, the crime happened in Gallente territory, thus it goes under Gallente jurisdiction. The Matari law is irrelevant, because it did not happen in Matari territory. Secondly, the acts of one man or one group do not reflect the entire Federation, so concluding that the Gallente government is rotten from the inside is a very broad generalization and very ignorant. Thirdly, the attacks on Matari citizens happened after the Minmatar navy made an unprovoked attack into Federation territory, killing thousands of Navymen both Minmatar and Gallente. I am not saying that they are correct when they are assaulting Minmatar citizens, you started the whole thing.

Thirdly, I do not like the idea that they completely disregarded Minmatar law and requests to have the assassin turned over to them, and find the reason keeping the assassin's identity a secret flimsy at best, it still does not warrant this kind of behavior from you, and because of pointless arguments like these our alliance is going to break, which will be bad for both sides.

So what do you want to do? Continue downplaying the Federation and only blame us for all the bad things on this whole farse, or accept that both sides are at fault and focus on rebuilding our relationship?

((Note, it's probably the best if you just ignore Smooth Head, he's a blatant troll))


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Natu Nobilis Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 235	Posted - 2013.05.12 11:35:00 - [1] - Quote Smooth Head wrote: Straight from the "Get out of Mum's basement" files. Really this is the kind of stuff that makes regular people shake their heads with amusement. Tottaly agree dudebro! How can people do this kind of thing? Now, let-¦s take our time to write on a virtual forum, about our virtual game of Immortal high-tech transhuman futuristic soldiers that shoots plasma, magneticly accelerated rounds on other immortal high-tech transhuman futuristic soldiers, of how much of a NERDS they are ! Yeah, get out of the basement you nerds!
Natu Nobilis Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 235	Posted - 2013.05.12 11:45:00 - [2] - Quote Shane Darko wrote: Wonder if there will be more heated conflict between gal and mints. Our Ray of Matat lies dead, shoot due to bigotry and ignorance fed by a group of Galente CURRENTLY IN POWER with a mentality that immigrants are less deserving just because they-¦re from outside? And this individual, that i have no idea if it -¦s the right one, after inumerous requests for extradition, that are backed by minmatar LAW, will be broadcasted and made a star by Gallente Media, gloryfing the person to get audience, while we still mourn for our Ray, having recieved NO CONSOLATION from our "allies", and yet, from our supposed "enemy" Tibus Heth, we get offers of medical treatment and condolences. Immigrants are being molested on the strreets and at their homes by ignorant civilians, and ignorant authorities, working in the name of the federation. Those are not attributes of a place where i would feel safe, or respected. The Gallente are rotting from the inside, and the smell is coming out. I do hope they treat this cancer and become once again a place of diversity and prosperity, and not this interventionist hypocritical imperialist ignorant place of hatred against all that disagree with them.
Natu Nobilis Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 238	Posted - 2013.05.12 18:28:00 - [3] - Quote Denak Kalamari wrote: First of all, the crime happened in Gallente territory, thus it goes under Gallente jurisdiction. The Matari law is irrelevant, because it did not happen in Matari territory. Secondly, the acts of one man or one group do not reflect the entire Federation, so concluding that the Gallente government is rotten from the inside is a very broad generalization and very ignorant. Thirdly, the attacks on Matari citizens happened after the Minmatar navy made an unprovoked attack into Federation territory, killing thousands of Navymen both Minmatar and Gallente. I am not saying that they are correct when they are assaulting Minmatar citizens, you started the whole thing. Thirdly, I do not like the idea that they completely disregarded Minmatar law and requests to have the assassin turned over to them, and find the reason keeping the assassin's identity a secret flimsy at best, it still does not warrant this kind of behavior from you, and because of pointless arguments like these our alliance is going to break, which will be bad for both sides. So what do you want to do? Continue downplaying the Federation and only blame us for all the bad things on this whole farse, or accept that both sides are at fault and focus on rebuilding our relationship? ((Note, it's probably the best if you just ignore Smooth Head, he's a blatant troll)) 1 - "All crimes perpetrated against members of a Minmatar tribe fall under the jurisdiction of tribal law and thus should be prosecuted by tribal courts." It happened against a Minmatar member, it falls under Minmatar juristicion. To call the Matari law "irrelevant" and our justice system "biased", it only reinforces your ignorance of Tribal ways, not to say a blatant disrespect. 2 - In case you don-¦t watch the news, several immigrants were already beign mistreated, and it only increase recently. It-¦s not "one" man, it-¦s your bigot population, your armed and judicial authorities. Your government is doing this, and the only words of care that we had so far came from Tibus Heth, not from your authorities. 3 - Now the fault is OURS? Do you forget that the agressive feeling coming from Gallente population came way before the military standoff? That we are treated as outsiders, inferiors and something to get rid of? Insult, after insult, after insult, and yet, you try to portrait yourself as a righteous shinny white knight in armour. I don-¦t know if the arrogance is so deep in your veins that you can-¦t see what you are doing, or if this is a deliberate attack on my people. Either way, i think the MInmatar are in perfect conditions to live our lives without your interference and prejudice.
Natu Nobilis Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 238	Posted - 2013.05.12 18:36:00 - [4] - Quote Logi Bro wrote: Smooth Head wrote: Straight from the "Get out of Mum's basement" files. Really this is the kind of stuff that makes regular people shake their heads with amusement. Says the guy that sits at his computer with the sole intent of trolling people online? No, you're right, you are totally "normal" compared to role-players. Just ignore him, it-¦s a guy that plays immortal soldeirs online maing fun of people playing immortal soldiers online with complementary text. He feels special everytime someone gives him atention. May be the only one he gets.
Natu Nobilis Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 240	Posted - 2013.05.13 02:32:00 - [5] - Quote Delirium Inferno wrote: DigiOps wrote: You know what I don't understand? Following sports and the people who refer to the team they like as "we". I like to play sports. I just don't understand following sports. It's just an easy way to get a sense of accomplishment with little to no effort (being a fan is a bit of an effort). It's healthy for the human spirit so I support it. Plus it gives us a well needed break from life where nothing really matters for 3 hours. You are correct though if the point you're trying to make is why is that viewed as acceptable when following a videogame is seen as childish. Or really videogames in general viewed as childish. There are types of interaction where you are passive (like watching sports, TV, listening to radio, reading a newspaper), and tere are interactions where ou-¦re active (editing wikipedia, playing sports, playing a videogame with a persistent universe) When dealing with a persistent universe, and where actions matters and actually impacts the universe around us, the use of "We" is indeed valid, since everyone can push the story into one direction instead of the other. There were several live events that shaped the story of New Eden with the help of players. There were storylines created because a player requested certain documents to NPC authorities, and with that action, several events unfolded. Roleplaying in New Eden is not a passive activity, is an active one. Of course not all activity is going to be used on the storyline, but even writing in forums SHAPE the game as we know it. Some people just want to play a few matches, shoot some people and be done with it. It-¦s ok, they can do this and no one should complain about it. But there are those that look at the bigger picture, know that they can gather enough people to shoot at their enemies face, give them some money to do it, conquer a territory, generate more money than was spent, and fuel their combat effort against another alliance to dominat a region with the help of the sapceships in EVE. If one want to play this game as a glorified singleplayer online, they can shoot some people up and be done with it. But the mere act of shooting people up, means that someone somewhere is getting an advantage with this, be it by having their enemies obliterated, or simply by having their wallets fattened by the selling of equipment to be used in battle (still waiting for the secondary market). Some people use the sword, some people use the pen, but all that play in this universe are actors, and not mere spectators.
Natu Nobilis Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 245	Posted - 2013.05.13 12:35:00 - [6] - Quote Denak Kalamari wrote: . 1 - There is a conflict of juristictions, for we have different laws. And i-¦m not saying you said it was biased, i-¦m reporting that your SUPREME COURT said it. The highest judicial instance of your federation could have used a little diplomacy, but they didn-¦t. That is a very good reason to set some people off and for harsher measures to be taken. 2 - Part of your population and part of the authorities. Do you even check the references from the news? They are reporting it, i-¦m not taking things out of my head. There is population and police violence / profiling going on, there is a supposed shooter with a mindset that is shared with the current leader of the Black Eagles. If you can-¦t see this, i don-¦t know what to say. 3 - Of course the situation could be different. But first there is prejudice against immigrants from part of your poulation, second there is government officials preching this intolerance, then there-¦s a supposed individual that shared this tought and put it into action, kiling not only MInmatar civilians, but our Ray of Matar, then there-¦s your highest judicial instance calling our court system biased. If your population isn-¦t doing something about the stupidity of your government, of your judicial system, of your diplomatic relations, then the population is omiting themselves from what is going on, and agreeing with what is going on, Of course it-¦s not everyone that thinks like that, but they are not doing anything about it. And if you think that the Minmatar are going to take these insults lightly and passively, you gravely mistaken. We have not freed ourselves from one whip to be hit by a softer, but equaly damaging one.
Natu Nobilis Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 245	Posted - 2013.05.13 12:58:00 - [7] - Quote SGT MUZZA wrote: Noob, question where can I go to keep up to date better with the happenings of these stories? Check this topic, and if you want to RP, check the topics that start with [NEWS] until we have a proper forum section for it.
Natu Nobilis Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 245	Posted - 2013.05.13 14:49:00 - [8] - Quote Reav Hannari wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: I hope he rots in hell. Hell is a Black Eagle interrogation center. With modern medicine it's amazing how long you can keep someone alive only to tear them apart again. If the Matari get a hold of him his end will be brutal but short. I have a roll of duct tape, a nanite injector and a nova knife. I volunteer to do a little experimentation on the bastard for the seven tribes to see how long I can keep him alive. Actually, is a little more than that =)
Natu Nobilis Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 247	Posted - 2013.05.13 15:22:00 - [9] - Quote Smoky The Bear wrote: But unexpectedly the Gallente have new info about the Minmatarr plans.. (thanks to this post).. and have launched a new offensive .. Reports coming in now.. 3000 dead .. It looks like another slaughter.. It looks like the numbers were low.. reports still coming in.. One man brags he had over 100 kills but they wouldnt count the 20 kills he got off that well timed grenade into a schoolhouse.. O well keep up the good work.. Gallente will never rest as long as 1 schoolchild feels safe in this universe! whoohooo.. Wow the war is spreading quickly.. latest reports.. Minamatarr wiped out.. The class is gone.. So sad .. so shocking. o well.. moving on... Gallente TV tonight:: Donkey Show Sorry Minmatarr.. Lore has spoken.. Are you one of the defective clones ?