Been playing FPS since Doom95 and still regularly play Quake II Arena and SOCOM with friends. The current changes actually want me to stay more than ever. Most of us FPS OGs that have grown up with the best of the best the FPS genre had to offer have been watching the casual decline in quality of games over the decades. Everything has gone into more of a twitch direction thanks to CoD and Battlefield. Personally, I still like the original Halo over the crap that's been coming out now that Bungee isn't at the helm. Unfortunately, I never had a chance to play MAG at the height of its popularity, but from what friends and corp mates have told me, I would have loved it.
Dust 514 is different, very different from most of the current gen FPS. But in a breath of fresh air good way and the less twitch more strafe elements compiled with stats being more important in Uprisng makes me want to stay more. There's a steep learning curve and element of challenge between SP skill and player skill that makes it shine over the rest. Engagements aren't just determined by who can left click or press R1 the fastest, but who can maintain their aim and track their target the most.
This new direction taken in Uprising has exposed a lot of twitch players for having a weak gun game. They've been spoiled by casual FPS for so long that they don't know how to recover and just quit. In a way, Dust 514 has raised the bar for what an FPS should be like while throwing in character building and customization to fit ones playstyle. Twitchers can fit themselves to gank and those with better gun game can fit to tank. So in a way it's more balanced to different skillets for different type of FPS players while bringing in the MMORPG crowd who are better stat mongers.
I've been here and I'm going to continue to be here and I hope many of you do the same. Dust 514 has a lot of potential and we need more variety in the FPS genra than what Activision spits out every year.

I came from Battlefield Bad Company 2. If that counts. I played a little mag in the past but Battlefield was my game.

I predict that you, like all the supposedly core players, aren't going anywhere. We will be treated to your forum posting for months to come. In fact, I dare you to leave and never post here again. No? Ok, good. Glad you decided to stay. LFS.

Nice back peddling, good hustle. I heard the Redskins might release Deangelo Hall again. Maybe you should try out. Lol.

"COD 4 set the standard that other FPS games have been trying to emulate since it was made. What was before Cod 4?? Halo? Starwars battlefront?? Shooters didn't get big until after Cod 4 was made, and just because activision spammed the hell out the series doesn't change that. "


this right here is why games suck:
because gamers suck.
because they think what this moron thinks.


if you didn't play Battleifeld2 Modern Combat, then you honestly don't know **** about gaming

that was the last REAL fps game on console.

everything since then has been a bullshit watered down version of what gaming used to be, but for anyone under 30, you woulnd't know that because all you have ever had to use as a standard was garbage game that was designed to be ez so you could play it.
you guys woulda been SCREEEEWED in bf2: no redlines, ff on, no handholding, no devs to protect you, a rating system that you couldn't glitch your way through, mics mandatory, V2K. all those things are what make a game a REAL game.

you fing morons who think that cod set the standard are either trolling, stupid or under 30. or all 3.

this is why we can't have nice things.
because most of you are stupid.

Peace
B

nice try, ma'am. NEXT!!


i also see you dodged the topic.

very telling.


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The amount of arrogance and epeen through not even 3 pages of this topic is staggering. It's no wonder why FPS players have such a bad rap among the gaming community overall. We all like the same type of game, but if you prefer CoD over BF, or DUST over Halo, or X over Y, someone will cuss you out or tear you down over it and say you're not a "true" FPS player.

A "Real" or "Core" FPS? Are you kidding me?

Guess what? ANY multi-player game in which you have a first person view and shoot various types of projectile weapons is a "true" FPS. It doesn't matter if it has RPG mechanics like Dust or even Borderlands.

In Madden, every character has stats that determine how fast he'll run/whatever. These stats have an impact on the game and force the players of the game to adjust their strategies and tactics accordingly That doesn't make Madden any less of a "true" football simulation game. (The same goes for any modern sports game).

The opposite is also true. Just because Fallout 3 has a first person view (with guns) does not make it any less of an RPG.

Case in point: RPG elements (Stats and skill progressions) do NOT determine the game genre. DUST has RPG elements in it, these elements have a drastic impact on who has an advantage in certain situations on the battlefield. None of these elements make DUST any less of a FPS.

If you don't like DUST, it's because you don't like the TYPE of FPS that it is (Which is fine, everyone has opinions). But don't put yourself on a pedestal and say you dislike it because it isn't a "true" or "Core" shooter. That's just pure arrogance.

god so much bs flying from all directions:


"Guess what? ANY multi-player game in which you have a first person view and shoot various types of projectile weapons is a "true" FPS. It doesn't matter if it has RPG mechanics like Dust or even Borderlands. "

bullshit. last one was bf2mc.

if you did not play that, then you do not know what is being discussed.
understand that.

BF3 is NOT battlefield.
neither was bc2, bc1, vietnam... or even 2143 for that matter


EVERY gaming evironment you "folks" have grown up in (and if you're under 30 you're not grown up, don't care, whatever) has been COD because they made the COD changes to gaming to protect folks like you AFTER BF2MC ended.
ALL of the gaming changes came from the fact that BF2 was TOO HARD for casuals and it was the last console game to FOCUS without hesitation or remorse on CLANS and not casuals. but again... if you did not play it, you have no fing clue what you are talking about and when you mention games like socom, bf3, halo, etc.... unless really you are playing ARMA like the one dude above, which again, most of you couldn't, then you have no clue.

there were no redlines. back then. that's what was great
you guys can't play without red lines
if there isn't some place for you to hide or fall back to, you will lose the entire field and get camped. the devs know this. they KNOW you suck. that's why they code the game to protect you. hence red lines.

V2K was STANDARD for organizing teams and setting gaming quality. There was no abuse. It was corporate. more corporate than now. game starts... MIC check? no mic... no play. simple as that. horsing around on the field? no play. Camping uselessly? no play. Lagging us out (WHOLE other thread) no play. No abuse. no kicking people out for giggles. it was about getting the teams organized and having some of the dopest fights on console period. if you guys are scared of V2K abuse, it's because you have grown up in an era where you guys were catered to and don't know how to use it. you're kids. duh. Hence no V2K

FF on... always. NEVER was a question about it. FF off = training wheels for kids. period. no arguement. again, you guys who are afraid of it, you grew up in an era were you weren't trained in how to behave. the devs KNOW you are a buncha babies and that you can't be trusted to act cool or even know how to be cool. hence no FF.

rating system was HARD. you had to work to maintain your rank. hard. 2 bad matches was a huge hit to your rating. and your rating MEANT something., if you were rank 10 it's because you were a badass gamer. not because you and your sissy boyfriends got a priver server and ranked up. again, you guys woulnd't know anything about this because of the whole "star belly sneetch" syndrome of gaming. everybody has a general rank 100 now so it's worthless and 90% did it by sandbagging private servers.

sad truth is a lot of you clans are codbois. you have to glitch your way through. you can't hang on an even field.
that's why they took out the repair points. you guys cheat. you have to. same with protogear. you use it because you have to.
if there is a glitch, angle or way around having to actually play the game straight, you'll find it and use it. because you have to.

now they took out medium range gun game. just like in mag they added the rbs. same thing all over. and the thing is, we watched the player counts do what they did and the whole time you guys said the same thing over there

"we aren't the codplayers!! this game is awesome!"
yeah, that's what the 500 current mag players say, they call you pussies for quitting and they are hardcore mag players... lol, rght?.

and you're doing it all over again here on 514 and you don't even see it. even as the player counts hover between 2500 and 3k you guys actually think this is it's supposed to be. you've learned nothing. you guys are asking for the same "treat the new guys soft" "give it time" "naw it's great" stuff you asked for what? 4 years ago now? you've learned nothing. literally. nothing.

now the player count will bounce to like a high of 15k on the 14th.
then it'll drop back down to between 5 and 7k the first week or so.
and lower and lower...


and that's why we can't have nice things.
because you grew up in an era of cod and codbased games and have no clue how to do it otherwise.
that's why ccp keeps watering down 514.


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Core FPS players seem to be constantly furious, and mostly having a bad time. They speak as if their personal experience is the only thing that exists, and make a lot of weirdly childish whining noises for people so enamoured with the idea of being a badass murdersoldier.

Luckily, there is another type of gun-based gamer who likes to throw a bit of brain into their game. They play games that contain actual tactics like Flashpoint, MAG, SOCOM, Red Orchestra etc and on average they tend to be a lot more sociable and worth getting to know.

So, personally, I'd be fine if zero core FPS players were still here. It'll be easier for the devs to tell what really needs attention without all the personal tantrums obscuring the real issues, and the player base will improve in quality overnight to the point where word of mouth will start bringing in the people looking for something a bit different.

Unfortunately, it sounds like they're going to market heavily to the former. I just hope they know what they're getting into.