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Knight SoIaire
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Posted - 2013.05.11 00:50:00 -
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Yes, this includes MLT Shotguns.
Why?
Because these things are cheap, but can still pull of one hit kills like the higher tier shotguns, I've seen players use MLT Shotguns as their main weapon, all the time, they've never upgraded because there is no need.
Its not like MLT ARs, in which the smaller magazine weakens the weapon largely, MLT Shotguns might have smaller magazines, but that doesn't matter when each shot can be a potential OHK. |
Johnny Guilt
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.05.11 00:53:00 -
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Knight SoIaire wrote:Yes, this includes MLT Shotguns.
Why?
Because these things are cheap, but can still pull of one hit kills like the higher tier shotguns, I've seen players use MLT Shotguns as their main weapon, all the time, they've never upgraded because there is no need.
Its not like MLT ARs, in which the smaller magazine weakens the weapon largely, MLT Shotguns might have smaller magazines, but that doesn't matter when each shot can be a potential OHK. Nope, get within 5M and it far game, if you dont want to be one shot by a shotgun use a heavy suit.MLT sucks on anything above adv suits any way |
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Posted - 2013.05.11 00:55:00 -
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Johnny Guilt wrote:Knight SoIaire wrote:Yes, this includes MLT Shotguns.
Why?
Because these things are cheap, but can still pull of one hit kills like the higher tier shotguns, I've seen players use MLT Shotguns as their main weapon, all the time, they've never upgraded because there is no need.
Its not like MLT ARs, in which the smaller magazine weakens the weapon largely, MLT Shotguns might have smaller magazines, but that doesn't matter when each shot can be a potential OHK. Nope, get within 5M and it far game, if you dont want to be one shot by a shotgun use a heavy suit
Ask any Heavy, I'm sure they'd say that Shotguns kill them plenty of times. |
Johnny Guilt
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.05.11 00:57:00 -
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Knight SoIaire wrote:Johnny Guilt wrote:Knight SoIaire wrote:Yes, this includes MLT Shotguns.
Why?
Because these things are cheap, but can still pull of one hit kills like the higher tier shotguns, I've seen players use MLT Shotguns as their main weapon, all the time, they've never upgraded because there is no need.
Its not like MLT ARs, in which the smaller magazine weakens the weapon largely, MLT Shotguns might have smaller magazines, but that doesn't matter when each shot can be a potential OHK. Nope, get within 5M and it far game, if you dont want to be one shot by a shotgun use a heavy suit Ask any Heavy, I'm sure they'd say that Shotguns kill them plenty of times. unless it's a breach maybe |
P14GU3
The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.05.11 00:57:00 -
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Have you ever used a shotgun? In this game or any other? How about real life? Its a OHK weapon. In this game its barely that at militia level, and has LOL range at that. Move along, working as intended.. |
Knight SoIaire
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Posted - 2013.05.11 00:59:00 -
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P14GU3 wrote:Have you ever used a shotgun? In this game or any other? How about real life? Its a OHK weapon. In this game its barely that at militia level, and has LOL range at that. Move along, working as intended..
Dont play the "Real life" arguement.
MLT Shotguns can OHK, unless someones shield tanked or a Heavy, then, maybe, just maybe, it takes two shots.
I'm not asking for all Shotguns to be nerfed, just MLT and the Basic one. |
Cosgar
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.05.11 00:59:00 -
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Go 10/0 with a militia shotgun and we'll talk... |
XilonKnight
Forever mercs
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Posted - 2013.05.11 01:01:00 -
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Knight SoIaire wrote:Yes, this includes MLT Shotguns.
Why?
Because these things are cheap, but can still pull of one hit kills like the higher tier shotguns, I've seen players use MLT Shotguns as their main weapon, all the time, they've never upgraded because there is no need.
Its not like MLT ARs, in which the smaller magazine weakens the weapon largely, MLT Shotguns might have smaller magazines, but that doesn't matter when each shot can be a potential OHK.
Lol, stop whining, they have to be nearly in your face to pull a one shot. Most take 2 or 3 shots now unless your shields/armor are made of crap |
Knight SoIaire
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Posted - 2013.05.11 01:02:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Go 10/0 with a militia shotgun and we'll talk...
I've seen people do it believe it or not. |
Surt gods end
Demon Ronin
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Posted - 2013.05.11 01:02:00 -
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You now need to get super close to one shot kill some one. and on a heavy, it takes more then one shot. move 5ft back, and the shotty becomes almost useless. If they getting that close to you, it sounds like you are dealing with scouts. and if your getting killed by scouts with shotty's it sounds like they are doing their job. |
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Knight SoIaire
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Posted - 2013.05.11 01:05:00 -
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Surt gods end wrote:You now need to get super close to one shot kill some one. and on a heavy, it takes more then one shot. move 5ft back, and the shotty becomes almost useless. If they getting that close to you, it sounds like you are dealing with scouts. and if your getting killed by scouts with shotty's it sounds like they are doing their job.
I dont mind a Scout OHKing me with an ADV/Proto Shotgun, its just the MLT one, its got so little going against it that you dont even need to upgrade.
Surely, you people have gone up against that one player using an MLT Shotgun and killing everything with it?
Just hope yous never do. |
Heathen Bastard
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.05.11 01:06:00 -
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I must be doing my job as a scout wrong then. I provide intel to my team, and the occasional assassination with my knives, not lone-wolf it up with a shotty. |
P14GU3
The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.05.11 01:07:00 -
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Knight SoIaire wrote:Cosgar wrote:Go 10/0 with a militia shotgun and we'll talk... I've seen people do it believe it or not.
I've done it. He told YOU to. Easier said than done. Bet you go 0/10 first time out with a shotgun scout unless you were good at shotty in another game. |
Cosgar
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.05.11 01:07:00 -
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Knight SoIaire wrote:Cosgar wrote:Go 10/0 with a militia shotgun and we'll talk... I've seen people do it believe it or not. Yeah, but I want to see you do it. Bad hit detection and all. ~5m effective range, bad hit detection, everyone is running blob tactics with ARs right now and scouts are actually good for a change. If you're dying to a shotguns, the problem is on your end. |
Knight SoIaire
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Posted - 2013.05.11 01:10:00 -
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P14GU3 wrote:Knight SoIaire wrote:Cosgar wrote:Go 10/0 with a militia shotgun and we'll talk... I've seen people do it believe it or not. I've done it. He told YOU to. Easier said than done. Bet you go 0/10 first time out with a shotgun scout unless you were good at shotty in another game.
I've played Shotty before.
I had a Standard Shotgun, with a Nova Knife fit, I remember going 17/0 by just picking off lone players.
Its not hard to do. |
P14GU3
The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.05.11 01:10:00 -
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Heathen Bastard wrote:I must be doing my job as a scout wrong then. I provide intel to my team, and the occasional assassination with my knives, not lone-wolf it up with a shotty.
The shotgun scout is the "slayer" of the class. You play the logistics. Both viable playstyles, and needed. |
Knight SoIaire
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Posted - 2013.05.11 01:11:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Knight SoIaire wrote:Cosgar wrote:Go 10/0 with a militia shotgun and we'll talk... I've seen people do it believe it or not. Yeah, but I want to see you do it. Bad hit detection and all. ~5m effective range, bad hit detection, everyone is running blob tactics with ARs right now and scouts are actually good for a change. If you're dying to a shotguns, the problem is on your end.
Scouts aren't the only ones with bad hit detection you know?
It affects;
Turrets ARs Snipers Mass Drivers.
I could go on, but I'd be naming almost every gun in the game. |
Surt gods end
Demon Ronin
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Posted - 2013.05.11 01:14:00 -
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Knight SoIaire wrote:Surt gods end wrote:You now need to get super close to one shot kill some one. and on a heavy, it takes more then one shot. move 5ft back, and the shotty becomes almost useless. If they getting that close to you, it sounds like you are dealing with scouts. and if your getting killed by scouts with shotty's it sounds like they are doing their job. I dont mind a Scout OHKing me with an ADV/Proto Shotgun, its just the MLT one, its got so little going against it that you dont even need to upgrade. Surely, you people have gone up against that one player using an MLT Shotgun and killing everything with it? Just hope yous never do.
I USE MILITIA SHOT GUN. CAUSE I HAVEN"T UNLOCKED OTHERS YET. lol Oh, and I'm a scout. |
Heathen Bastard
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.05.11 01:14:00 -
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P14GU3 wrote:Heathen Bastard wrote:I must be doing my job as a scout wrong then. I provide intel to my team, and the occasional assassination with my knives, not lone-wolf it up with a shotty. The shotgun scout is the "slayer" of the class. You play the logistics. Both viable playstyles, and needed.
try having no hitbox and knives. my team stops shooting at the guys I'm after(in a firefight) to save their ammo because it's basically their grave marker to see me dodging an entire clip of AR+SMG fire with barely a scratch on my shields. |
Cosgar
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.05.11 01:15:00 -
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Knight SoIaire wrote:P14GU3 wrote:Knight SoIaire wrote:Cosgar wrote:Go 10/0 with a militia shotgun and we'll talk... I've seen people do it believe it or not. I've done it. He told YOU to. Easier said than done. Bet you go 0/10 first time out with a shotgun scout unless you were good at shotty in another game. I've played Shotty before. I had a Standard Shotgun, with a Nova Knife fit, I remember going 17/0 by just picking off lone players. Its not hard to do. If you've done all that and want the SG nerfed, I call steer excrement on either your OP or this quote. Stop crying for nerfs on things that are working as intended. If you still want to QQ, there's plenty of TAR and killer bee threads out there. Hell, make your own if you if you want to feel special. |
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Knight SoIaire
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Posted - 2013.05.11 01:15:00 -
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Surt gods end wrote:Knight SoIaire wrote:Surt gods end wrote:You now need to get super close to one shot kill some one. and on a heavy, it takes more then one shot. move 5ft back, and the shotty becomes almost useless. If they getting that close to you, it sounds like you are dealing with scouts. and if your getting killed by scouts with shotty's it sounds like they are doing their job. I dont mind a Scout OHKing me with an ADV/Proto Shotgun, its just the MLT one, its got so little going against it that you dont even need to upgrade. Surely, you people have gone up against that one player using an MLT Shotgun and killing everything with it? Just hope yous never do. I USE MILITIA SHOT GUN. CAUSE I HAVEN"T UNLOCKED OTHERS YET. lol Oh, and I'm a scout.
And, why do you use the MLT Shotgun? |
Surt gods end
Demon Ronin
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Posted - 2013.05.11 01:17:00 -
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Heathen Bastard wrote:I must be doing my job as a scout wrong then. I provide intel to my team, and the occasional assassination with my knives, not lone-wolf it up with a shotty.
Nah, you do what you do. I'm the "ghost" class only cause I don't venture from the objective that I haunt. If the RE don't get em, then my militia shotty will. |
P14GU3
The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.05.11 01:18:00 -
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Knight SoIaire wrote:P14GU3 wrote:Knight SoIaire wrote:Cosgar wrote:Go 10/0 with a militia shotgun and we'll talk... I've seen people do it believe it or not. I've done it. He told YOU to. Easier said than done. Bet you go 0/10 first time out with a shotgun scout unless you were good at shotty in another game. I've played Shotty before. I had a Standard Shotgun, with a Nova Knife fit, I remember going 17/0 by just picking off lone players. Its not hard to do.
Then you know the scout has laughable hp, and any decent player will pick him off before he gets to him 9/10. You also know that they like to hide around corners and such, so maybe blindly running straight into them is a bad idea? If you know how to use a shotty, why are you complaining about them. Its one of the only builds left that is accessible to noobs, and its still poor at that. |
Surt gods end
Demon Ronin
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Posted - 2013.05.11 01:18:00 -
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Knight SoIaire wrote:Surt gods end wrote:Knight SoIaire wrote:Surt gods end wrote:You now need to get super close to one shot kill some one. and on a heavy, it takes more then one shot. move 5ft back, and the shotty becomes almost useless. If they getting that close to you, it sounds like you are dealing with scouts. and if your getting killed by scouts with shotty's it sounds like they are doing their job. I dont mind a Scout OHKing me with an ADV/Proto Shotgun, its just the MLT one, its got so little going against it that you dont even need to upgrade. Surely, you people have gone up against that one player using an MLT Shotgun and killing everything with it? Just hope yous never do. I USE MILITIA SHOT GUN. CAUSE I HAVEN"T UNLOCKED OTHERS YET. lol Oh, and I'm a scout. And, why do you use the MLT Shotgun?
Not enough SP too. used all mine on core. |
Knight SoIaire
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Posted - 2013.05.11 01:18:00 -
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Surt gods end wrote:Heathen Bastard wrote:I must be doing my job as a scout wrong then. I provide intel to my team, and the occasional assassination with my knives, not lone-wolf it up with a shotty. Nah, you do what you do. I'm the "ghost" class only cause I don't venture from the objective that I haunt. If the RE don't get em, then my militia shotty will.
Woah.
MLT Shotgun seems to be a popular choice among you Scouts.
Wonder why that is? |
Heathen Bastard
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.05.11 01:23:00 -
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Knight SoIaire wrote:Surt gods end wrote:Heathen Bastard wrote:I must be doing my job as a scout wrong then. I provide intel to my team, and the occasional assassination with my knives, not lone-wolf it up with a shotty. Nah, you do what you do. I'm the "ghost" class only cause I don't venture from the objective that I haunt. If the RE don't get em, then my militia shotty will. Woah. MLT Shotgun seems to be a popular choice among you Scouts. Wonder why that is?
its like the knives, once you're in the intended range, its practically an instant kill. when you're paper thin, you need as much damage as you can put to punch through the guys who aren't. |
P14GU3
The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.05.11 01:23:00 -
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Heathen Bastard wrote:P14GU3 wrote:Heathen Bastard wrote:I must be doing my job as a scout wrong then. I provide intel to my team, and the occasional assassination with my knives, not lone-wolf it up with a shotty. The shotgun scout is the "slayer" of the class. You play the logistics. Both viable playstyles, and needed. try having no hitbox and knives. my team stops shooting at the guys I'm after(in a firefight) to save their ammo because it's basically their grave marker to see me dodging an entire clip of AR+SMG fire with barely a scratch on my shields.
Pretty sure I haven't been killed by knives yet.. heard they got a buff tho.. |
Knight SoIaire
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Posted - 2013.05.11 01:25:00 -
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Heathen Bastard wrote:Knight SoIaire wrote:Surt gods end wrote:Heathen Bastard wrote:I must be doing my job as a scout wrong then. I provide intel to my team, and the occasional assassination with my knives, not lone-wolf it up with a shotty. Nah, you do what you do. I'm the "ghost" class only cause I don't venture from the objective that I haunt. If the RE don't get em, then my militia shotty will. Woah. MLT Shotgun seems to be a popular choice among you Scouts. Wonder why that is? its like the knives, once you're in the intended range, its practically an instant kill. when you're paper thin, you need as much damage as you can put to punch through the guys who aren't.
Just like all other Shotguns, right?
So, tell me then, whats the reason to even try level up your Shotgun skill, if MLT Shotties do the job just fine? |
Surt gods end
Demon Ronin
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Posted - 2013.05.11 01:27:00 -
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P14GU3 wrote:Knight SoIaire wrote:P14GU3 wrote:Knight SoIaire wrote:Cosgar wrote:Go 10/0 with a militia shotgun and we'll talk... I've seen people do it believe it or not. I've done it. He told YOU to. Easier said than done. Bet you go 0/10 first time out with a shotgun scout unless you were good at shotty in another game. I've played Shotty before. I had a Standard Shotgun, with a Nova Knife fit, I remember going 17/0 by just picking off lone players. Its not hard to do. Then you know the scout has laughable hp, and any decent player will pick him off before he gets to him 9/10. You also know that they like to hide around corners and such, so maybe blindly running straight into them is a bad idea? If you know how to use a shotty, why are you complaining about them. Its one of the only builds left that is accessible to noobs, and its still poor at that.
Well if your to visit the objective I'm haunting 10/10 your not gonna make it. you have two choices. go for it or or leave. You won't see my Re. and if I have non left, you won't see me. I always keep the BIG MAP open. I knew you were coming. |
Heathen Bastard
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.05.11 01:28:00 -
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P14GU3 wrote: Pretty sure I haven't been killed by knives yet.. heard they got a buff tho..
sorta... they require no charge(can still be charged though) and they increased the range to simulate a lunge(instead of adding one like they did with the melee attack... why?)
but they took out the sprintcharge. though they said they wanted to make it a feature. so they removed it.... hence the sorta.
EDIT: Surt, I'm the ghost who scans(actives FTW!) you and comes up behind you. I am the ghost that goes ghost hunting. |
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P14GU3
The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.05.11 01:29:00 -
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Knight SoIaire wrote:Heathen Bastard wrote:Knight SoIaire wrote:Surt gods end wrote:Heathen Bastard wrote:I must be doing my job as a scout wrong then. I provide intel to my team, and the occasional assassination with my knives, not lone-wolf it up with a shotty. Nah, you do what you do. I'm the "ghost" class only cause I don't venture from the objective that I haunt. If the RE don't get em, then my militia shotty will. Woah. MLT Shotgun seems to be a popular choice among you Scouts. Wonder why that is? its like the knives, once you're in the intended range, its practically an instant kill. when you're paper thin, you need as much damage as you can put to punch through the guys who aren't. Just like all other Shotguns, right? So, tell me then, whats the reason to even try level up your Shotgun skill, if MLT Shotties do the job just fine?
Because they don't if you die to a mlt shotgun in a proto suit. That's your fault, not because the shotty is OP. |
Surt gods end
Demon Ronin
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Posted - 2013.05.11 01:34:00 -
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I'm not trying to stay on milita shotty. You ever shot a proto with shotty? takes 3 or 4 to take one down. But adance shotty. I had one in last build. yes.. even proto's took steps back from that. I want advance shotty nooow! |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
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Posted - 2013.05.11 01:39:00 -
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Outside Nova Knives range, Militia (and Standard) Shotguns don't hit hard enough to one-shot a well-fitted SCOUT.
Breach Shotguns need a range buff, because right now, they have no more range than normal SGs.
Militia and Standard Shotguns might be able to do with a small nerf after the 10% damage buff today, but even then, I don't think they need to go back quite that far. Maybe a 5% reduction after the nerf? |
Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organization
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Posted - 2013.05.11 01:45:00 -
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Switch to Nova Knives. Apparently they're more powerful than a shotgun now and hit detection is awesome. Use the melee aim assist to line up your attack.
Shotguns are sooooooooo last build. |
Schalac 17
Murderz for hire
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Posted - 2013.05.11 01:48:00 -
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Knight SoIaire wrote:Johnny Guilt wrote:Knight SoIaire wrote:Yes, this includes MLT Shotguns.
Why?
Because these things are cheap, but can still pull of one hit kills like the higher tier shotguns, I've seen players use MLT Shotguns as their main weapon, all the time, they've never upgraded because there is no need.
Its not like MLT ARs, in which the smaller magazine weakens the weapon largely, MLT Shotguns might have smaller magazines, but that doesn't matter when each shot can be a potential OHK. Nope, get within 5M and it far game, if you dont want to be one shot by a shotgun use a heavy suit Ask any Heavy, I'm sure they'd say that Shotguns kill them plenty of times. Shot guns kill me plenty, but I don't think they need a nerf. Do I hate the SG player that just killed me? Yes. Do I say SG need a nerf? No. They need to be so close and the RoF of a SG is so slow that if you are with a competent squad that person will be dead right after you, and with any luck the SG targeted me, the heavy, instead of my logibro waiting to stick me. I applaud all you SG users, and normally try to identify and stay away from you in match at the same time. Unless you are shooting at a squadmate and don't notice my HMG spinning up.
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Cosgar
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
642
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Posted - 2013.05.11 01:48:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Switch to Nova Knives. Apparently they're more powerful than a shotgun now and hit detection is awesome. Use the melee aim assist to line up your attack.
Shotguns are sooooooooo last build. Shhhh, keep talking like that and they'll nerf you |
Johnny Guilt
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.05.11 01:53:00 -
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Knight SoIaire wrote:Surt gods end wrote:Heathen Bastard wrote:I must be doing my job as a scout wrong then. I provide intel to my team, and the occasional assassination with my knives, not lone-wolf it up with a shotty. Nah, you do what you do. I'm the "ghost" class only cause I don't venture from the objective that I haunt. If the RE don't get em, then my militia shotty will. Woah. MLT Shotgun seems to be a popular choice among you Scouts. Wonder why that is? lower CPU and PG for a crappy CPU and PG suit |
Zero Harpuia
WarRavens Orion Empire
449
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Posted - 2013.05.11 02:14:00 -
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You are asking to nerf shotguns, which are SUPPOSED to be a massive frontload weapon, just because you are too dumb to kill the guy before he can close in on you? If you can't kill him before he can close in on you that isn't the shotguns being OP, that's you not knowing when to shoot and when to run.
That said, I went 33/4 with a standard shotty against a bunch of other standard suits, but only because I knew how to engage. Won't say that here though, cuz what moron gives away trade secrets on a public forum? |
Heathen Bastard
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
263
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Posted - 2013.05.11 02:29:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Switch to Nova Knives. Apparently they're more powerful than a shotgun now and hit detection is awesome. Use the melee aim assist to line up your attack.
Shotguns are sooooooooo last build.
ah mr. Tosch, I do one day hope to find you upon the field of battle. then our knives shall truly be tested.
already killed a shotgunner with 'em, twice(he came after me specifically after the first, wonder why). I believe that means he loses his shotugnner's club card, right? third time he brought help, and they got me(stupid mass drivers) |
Cpt Murd0ck
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.05.11 02:32:00 -
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If ur talking about scouts using MLT shotguns then they deserve the extra fire power. I You do realise how much shield and armour these guys have you can kill them with the butt of ur gun.
And you can survive reasonably if you dictate range and if your too close then hard luck that's were they shine.
You catch them in the open at 30m its a different story but you wouldn't want AR nerfed for mowing down ppl at optimal. |
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