I am still getting killed alot with this gun when I see it "out", most often the freedom varrient. It most often is a OHK when it does get me it seems.

I don't think you can have a complete discussion on the mass driver without talking about gernades too. Last patch it was viable to run gernades other than flux. Flux was the prefered choice for a MD user odviously, but AV was playable. This patch is different in that there is NO WAY I can play the gun without flux. Unless I want to go around last hitting people (which I have no problem with, but others might).

These things are my crutch. The same thing will happen with scrambler rifle and core locus and it will be even MORE effective. Break through half their shields + lob a few core locus. Flux themselves alone are a problem, but not THE problem. The problem is the blast radius on all of the anti personale gernades. It is more than twice the blast radius of the MD, with more than double the damage. Proto nanohives are still strong enough to support massive nade spam.

What I am saying is that the MD by itself could use a buff to levels slightly worse than chromosome. It is pretty much a crazy man shotgun at this point. It isn't strong in itself, but you destroy people with flux. It is effective against armor tanks, but a core locus will ONE SHOT them. Its hard to balance ANY gun without first balancing gernades. Mass driver users are just adapting... and spamming fluxes. Which turns out to be a better strategy than actually using their gun most of the time.

This is the worse of the two main MD threads that popped up. I've said in the other that a MD nerf was neccessary because of the removal of sharpshooter. And it was. The old freedom would eat the blobs up. My main issue with how they went about it is this:

1. The radius nerf was too extreme
2. The prototype weapons are too CPU/PG heavy for the marginal benefits they offer over the advanced varients.
I am going to copy paste my post from that thread to here.

[quote=Doc Audio]I thought the MD was rough when I first played uprising, but as I used it got better. Even better now that they added the 10% bonus Dmg back.

Im not the greatest player; honestly im slightly below average and I get plenty of kills with the MD. Ive had 2 matches that I had 21 plus kills with it which was unheard of for a Logi MD user in chromosome.

You just have to set up different suits and run the suit you need depending on the situation.

You get all the blast with teeth that you need with the Assault version, I run this when Im in a good squad and I am concentrating on being a Logi. It works well enough in most cases. After 1 or 2 shots plus a flux, peeps back off enough for you to revive and rep a bit. It wont get you a lot of kills but its not meant to...never has been.

I have another suit set up with the regular MD and it does what its supposed to, I get plenty of kills with it. Flux then MD and usually its lights out.

Dont get in to fights with the MD that you cant win. The blast physics still put u at a disadvantage when your opponent is on uneven ground and/or higher ground.

Just as the environment works against you. It also works for you. Look for opportunities to use it to your advantage.

Also check your system settings and make sure that your auto-aim is off. You cant hit anything with the MD when its turned on. Actually I think all weapons have this issue?

Im not against another MD boost but I dont believe its necessary.
From a logi point of view they need to fix my injector first....we can worry about the MD down the road somewhere.


21 kills was unheard of in chromo? Lol? My best on line harvest was 43 and i was able to top 30 consistantly on any map besides the 3 pointer. The MD is the only weapon ive ever used.. I was smart enough to check item stats before speccing so i did not. respecc into after the patch... That being said.. I have used it on an alt in uprising and honestly.. Stop crying. The weapon is fine and in the hands of anyone who actually knows how to use it its ******* deadly. Still. The damage patch uas brought it within 3 points of its former glory. The radius nerf is a joke to anyone who really understands the MD. Im not denying its taken a nerf.. But it is not THAT bad that it is unusable. Veteran MD users.. The good ones anyway, will still dominate.

Irony is that you put down people who complained about the Damage and (extra) Range nerf on HMGs while being upset over the Mass Drivers Splash Damage and Blast Radius nerfs.

I agree Mass Drivers are not now and were not a "win button" in the last build either. Would love to hear from a Dev how it was decided to neuter them.

2 years of beta testing and they change a niche yet effective gaming mechanic after an office LAN party. Un-****ing believable.

But that's the problem. It wasn't broken to begin with. After the necessary buff it got in chrome, and if they gave it the sight it has in uprising, it would have been absolutely perfect. Not too many people used it, those who did understood that intricacy and finesse need to operate it. In fact it was balanced to the point that people would QQ for a nerf once in a blue moon, but would get eaten up by MD users and people who don't use it, but enjoyed what it brought to the field. All that was stripped away because someone in a cubicle got butthurt.

Why even have beta testers if this is what happens? Stuff like this makes me want to stop posting feedback because I begin to wonder how many times I've gone ignored or anyone who had ever articulated a valid well thought out point about a game mechanic because someone found nerf posts from a QQing CoD casual or a LAN party much more compelling than 2 ****ing years of beta testing? At this point, I don't even care anymore. They should just shut the ****ing servers down and make the goddamned game the way they want to and if we have an issue with a game mechanic that's not game breakingly broken they can say what they say to EVE players: HTFU

nor is the HMG a win button, the only time you could of made that argument was the pre E3 build and even then only if you weren't aware of your surroundings.

I agree with all changes made to the mass driver this build.

And the mass driver was and still is my primary weapon.

1. The mass driver blast radius was far too large last build, I could drop 3+ dudes in 2-3 well placed Freedom rounds.

2. Damage, see above.

3. Nanohives shouldn't of been that good at a standard level. Get advanced, If you're a logibro then you should already have them. (The difference between adv nanos and standard was far too small last build, especially with the gauged variant)


The damage application of the mass driver round is something that does need looked at though. As the target can jump and avoid all damage, be on an incline and avoid all damage. Which is pretty ridiculous. At least they fixed for the most part the direct hits actually hitting.


Also the Mass Driver was NEVER supposed to be a CQC weapon thats why its a support, for supporting team mates who are the damage dealers and if you're a logibro using it then switch to a repair tool as in PC friendly fire will be turned on, so more than likely a mass driver user needs to stop firing after the enemy gets so close which was the probable reasoning behind the blast radius. (old blast radius would of killed most of my team mates)