DUST Search - Heavy racial suits

Muzodor wrote:

CCP Remnant wrote:

martinofski wrote:

I think with the current maps design, we should have received another race for the heavy, a shield, fast version for "running" around and turning at reasonnable speeds so we can track the guy running and jumping in minmatar logi using their 4high,4low,4equip setup and duvolles.

This patch was indead bad for the heavys since you either use what is available and run the sentinel that you don't want, or you do like me and don't upgrade the dropsuit and use the militia one to save your SP.

Yeah... right now only the Amarr heavy frame model is complete. In Uprising we've started pushing all the suits more into specific race profiles, but of course when you're missing 75% of the other frame options you're bound to have some balance holes. The Caldari, Minmatar and Gallente heavy frames are coming, but not as soon as we'd all like.

To that point though, how would you guys like us to approach that? Would you want Type-IIs and more sidegrade variants to tide you over until the other suits come online? (Even knowing that we'll probably retire them once the others arrive?)

Is it possible to simply use the Amarr heavy model but apply the racial stats and slot layouts you might already have planned? Including the required racial skills to train them so people are not wasting SP on Amarr heavy when they will switch to another race later. Leave out the Racial Sentinel variants, just go to the Heavy Basic proto level of each race.

I think this would help CCP get early feedback and usage statistics on each race's heavy suits. Giving you the option to tweak the suits and bonuses before adding them to the game.

You could even write a neat lore story about vicious corporate espionage resulting from the arms race created by the Immortal mercs. "Blah blah blah stolen Amarr heavy BPOs blah blah blah reversed engineered by each race blah blah provide good foundation to build racial suits blah."

You could even use this same technique to add additional racial heavy weapons with the suits. Use the HMG model paint it gold use the laserrifle beam effect and let us test that Heavy Pulse Gatling Lase you guys are working on.. you are working on that right? RIGHT?!?

(^assuming coding a game is easy^)

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Azrael Nightbane Turalyon Plus 8	Posted - 2013.05.10 21:15:00 - [1] - Quote Muzodor wrote: CCP Remnant wrote: martinofski wrote: I think with the current maps design, we should have received another race for the heavy, a shield, fast version for "running" around and turning at reasonnable speeds so we can track the guy running and jumping in minmatar logi using their 4high,4low,4equip setup and duvolles. This patch was indead bad for the heavys since you either use what is available and run the sentinel that you don't want, or you do like me and don't upgrade the dropsuit and use the militia one to save your SP. Yeah... right now only the Amarr heavy frame model is complete. In Uprising we've started pushing all the suits more into specific race profiles, but of course when you're missing 75% of the other frame options you're bound to have some balance holes. The Caldari, Minmatar and Gallente heavy frames are coming, but not as soon as we'd all like. To that point though, how would you guys like us to approach that? Would you want Type-IIs and more sidegrade variants to tide you over until the other suits come online? (Even knowing that we'll probably retire them once the others arrive?) Is it possible to simply use the Amarr heavy model but apply the racial stats and slot layouts you might already have planned? Including the required racial skills to train them so people are not wasting SP on Amarr heavy when they will switch to another race later. Leave out the Racial Sentinel variants, just go to the Heavy Basic proto level of each race. I think this would help CCP get early feedback and usage statistics on each race's heavy suits. Giving you the option to tweak the suits and bonuses before adding them to the game. You could even write a neat lore story about vicious corporate espionage resulting from the arms race created by the Immortal mercs. "Blah blah blah stolen Amarr heavy BPOs blah blah blah reversed engineered by each race blah blah provide good foundation to build racial suits blah." You could even use this same technique to add additional racial heavy weapons with the suits. Use the HMG model paint it gold use the laserrifle beam effect and let us test that Heavy Pulse Gatling Lase you guys are working on.. you are working on that right? RIGHT?!? (^assuming coding a game is easy^) could this be a possibility for heavies? I know for myself am waiting for the gallente heavy suit to come around but i don't want to spend a crap load of sp just to get a decent ammar suit only to have to do it again for gallente. i would think there would be alot of support for a idea like this to go through just so we have a complete set of options to pick from instead of just the one race. thoughts? lets see if maybe we can get the attention of a Dev or CPM.
Doyle Reese OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 9	Posted - 2013.05.10 21:18:00 - [2] - Quote I don't see why not, we have the Breach and Tactical ARs as stand-ins for other weapons at the moment.
Chibi Andy Forsaken Immortals Gentlemen's Agreement 154	Posted - 2013.05.10 21:29:00 - [3] - Quote sadly i wish they'd give us some of our SP back :( speccing into the amarr heavy when its the only available suit kinda sucks :( i've wasted some SP into the sentinal suits as well. though i might be hoping for a respec for the heavies but that might not even happen right?
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 1545	Posted - 2013.05.10 21:34:00 - [4] - Quote lol kinda late for most heavies. I already have my Proto basic suit. I'm sure most competitive heavies also. I'll just invest in Assault for now. My heavy suit is where I want it anyway. When the other races come out, guess we'll have to suck it up and save SP. I doubt CCP will have another respec just for heavies. Besides, as the dev stated, they're not coming anytime soon, which = 4-6 months at least. Sounds like enough time to save SP to me.
Azrael Nightbane Turalyon Plus 8	Posted - 2013.05.10 21:38:00 - [5] - Quote Chibi Andy wrote: sadly i wish they'd give us some of our SP back :( speccing into the amarr heavy when its the only available suit kinda sucks :( i've wasted some SP into the sentinal suits as well. though i might be hoping for a respec for the heavies but that might not even happen right? they have mentioned a respec in the future maybe they could tie this idea in with it so we have our options
Chibi Andy Forsaken Immortals Gentlemen's Agreement 154	Posted - 2013.05.10 22:03:00 - [6] - Quote Azrael Nightbane wrote: Chibi Andy wrote: sadly i wish they'd give us some of our SP back :( speccing into the amarr heavy when its the only available suit kinda sucks :( i've wasted some SP into the sentinal suits as well. though i might be hoping for a respec for the heavies but that might not even happen right? they have mentioned a respec in the future maybe they could tie this idea in with it so we have our options would be nice if they did, since us heavies didnt really have a choice to begin with, its either spec into amarr heavies or play mlt suits.
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. CRONOS. 1471	Posted - 2013.05.10 22:04:00 - [7] - Quote Doyle Reese wrote: I don't see why not, we have the Breach and Tactical ARs as stand-ins for other weapons at the moment. You figure those will go away once all the racial weapon variants are in? I hadn't thought of that.
Azrael Nightbane Turalyon Plus 8	Posted - 2013.05.11 00:23:00 - [8] - Quote bump anyone else have any in put on this?
Azrael Nightbane Turalyon Plus 8	Posted - 2013.05.11 21:51:00 - [9] - Quote bump for a good idea
SILVERBACK 02 BetaMax. CRONOS. 15	Posted - 2013.05.11 23:35:00 - [10] - Quote HAVE FAITH IN CCP they will come out... and besides just wait and see on the 14th you may be suprised ;) all this moaning about ccp not doing there job is ridiculous.. they arent stupid they are doing there best!^ all issude like buff dropships, nerf tac rifles, buff hmgs, nerf forge guns etc... they will be adressed its just takes time and believe if they had a larger team and support these issues would be sorted sooner^ they do listen to us though iv never known game disgners to listen to their fans so well! this is a free game you guys take for grated... good job CCP for everything^^ we asked for a HMG buff they done it the next day how awsome is that... CCP WINNING ;)

oso tiburon The Generals EoN. 4	Posted - 2013.05.11 23:43:00 - [11] - Quote yes the cries of the fat boys has been heard and i belive i heard from a little birdy that when the other fat suits come out we will be getting some form of pettion to get sp back so we can get into our more comfortable type of load outs ... cannot wait to have some real armor my self dont like the ideal of half my hp can be wiped out by a stray flux
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 1556	Posted - 2013.05.11 23:48:00 - [12] - Quote SILVERBACK 02 wrote: HAVE FAITH IN CCP they will come out... and besides just wait and see on the 14th you may be suprised ;) all this moaning about ccp not doing there job is ridiculous.. they arent stupid they are doing there best!^ all issude like buff dropships, nerf tac rifles, buff hmgs, nerf forge guns etc... they will be adressed its just takes time and believe if they had a larger team and support these issues would be sorted sooner^ they do listen to us though iv never known game disgners to listen to their fans so well! this is a free game you guys take for grated... good job CCP for everything^^ we asked for a HMG buff they done it the next day how awsome is that... CCP WINNING ;) We didn't get the buff the next day It took quite a bit of forum warriors and and logic to get through to CCP. We were lucky a dev saw reason, and saw he made a mistake with the numbers. It's frightening that they make mistakes with numbers cuz CCP goes mainly off data collected. They do changes on the game based on data, but the problem with that is what if they get the numbers wrong? As I said, thankfully a dev passed through, and saw what was going on. Props to CCP for that. As for the 14th, there will be no new heavy racial suit available. Dev clearly stated that those won't be coming soon, as in the 14th soon. 4-6 months maybe.


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