DUST Search - We really need a consensus about what each class is supposed to do

Cat Merc wrote:

I'm going to try and gather your opinions about what each class is supposed to do.
If CCP would like to step in and tell us what they think that would be great :)

I will watch the results and see what kind of consensus we can get.

Anyway, here is a form I made:

Heavies:
1. What do you think their main role should be?
2. Any secondary roles?
3. Advantages, disadvantages?
4. Are they currently what they are supposed to be?

Assaults:
1. What do you think their main role should be?
2. Any secondary roles?
3. Advantages, disadvantages?
4. Are they currently what they are supposed to be?

Scouts:
1. What do you think their main role should be?
2. Any secondary roles?
3. Advantages, disadvantages?
4. Are they currently what they are supposed to be?

Logis:
1. What do you think their main role should be?
2. Any secondary roles?
3. Advantages, disadvantages?
4. Are they currently what they are supposed to be?

Here is how I would fill it:

Heavies:
1. What do you think their main role should be?
Point defense
2. Any secondary roles?
Slow, strong pushing forward
3. Advantages, disadvantages?
High HP, High DPS, very slow, big targets.
4. Are they currently what they are supposed to be?
Kinda sorta.
The slow pushing part is the tricky one.
They are good at defense after the recent buff, but they don't do much at pushing forward.

Assaults:
1. What do you think their main role should be?
General combat
2. Any secondary roles?
Nothing, they're general.
3. Advantages, disadvantages?
Have a good medium between speed, HP, DPS potential, slots, etc'.
They're generalists so they're not going to outdo other suits at their specific use.
4. Are they currently what they are supposed to be?
I think they are pushing too much into the "Do everything, better than anyone" part.
They're too close to scout speed, too close to Heavy HP.

Scouts:
1. What do you think their main role should be?
Scouting, relaying information for the squad.
2. Any secondary roles?
Hit and run attacks.
3. Advantages, disadvantages?
Very quick, low scan profile, can be completely hidden from enemy radar until its too late.
Low HP, problematic fitting.
4. Are they currently what they are supposed to be?
The hit and run part works well, though as I said they need a speed buff as assaults can outdo them at that.
Relaying information goes into the EWAR mechanics of the game, which are coming Soon(TM), so we'll see how well they do then.

Logis:
1. What do you think their main role should be?
Squad support
2. Any secondary roles?
None
3. Advantages, disadvantages?
Are the most versatile, most fitting slots, most CPU/PG.
Lack sidearm (except for Amarr one), lower base HP, lower base speed.
4. Are they currently what they are supposed to be?
Caldari logi, nuff said.


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RydogV Shadow Company HQ 139	Posted - 2013.05.10 20:23:00 - [1] - Quote As this game rolled out in the Beta phase, it was billed as a game where the players decided what each roll did and how they wanted to skill to approach whatever roll they chose. Many a interview where developers talked about Heavy Snipers, Light Assault or basically anything we the players could think of based on what was available in-game. This was an appeal. The thought of mapping your progression to suit your individual play style was a major draw. Now it seems many wish to pigeon-hole players into these structured dynamic cookie cutter classes that make it just like any other shooter out there. Limited roles with limited guns and limited slot and limited skills and bonuses to this and nerfs to that. This was never on the menu. I understand the need for balance. In nearly a year of Beta testing I have seen things addressed that needed to promote that balance. But now that the game is about to go "live", many are scrambling to sap every once of originality out of the game. I play the same game you do. I am an average player with meager 1.13 KDR and I have been a dedicated Logistics/Triage player for several builds and ever since Open Beta kicked off. I have logged several hours of game time since the update and I have yet to run across what seems to be a outpouring of Super Soldiers out there populating the battlefield. I have seen the same mixture of fittings that I have always seen. Some are heavy on the defense, some are heavy on the offense. Some have ranged weapons and some are CQB. Heavy shields, heavy armor, balanced mix...I see it all. Sometimes they kill me...sometimes I kill them. Now I even got this nifty stats screen to even tell me how they did it and what suit that are wearing. Kill me enough times and I will probably switch to a different fitting (we get like 30 you know) that might be better designed to take you down the next time we meet. I was kind of under the impression this was how the game was to be played. At least that was how it was advertised so many months ago. Do me a favor. Put a little effort into your gameplay and don't try and put me in a box with some generic label on it.
RydogV Shadow Company HQ 139	Posted - 2013.05.10 20:27:00 - [2] - Quote RydogV wrote: As this game rolled out in the Beta phase, it was billed as a game where the players decided what each roll did and how they wanted to skill to approach whatever roll they chose. Many a interview where developers talked about Heavy Snipers, Light Assault or basically anything we the players could think of based on what was available in-game. This was an appeal. The thought of mapping your progression to suit your individual play style was a major draw. Now it seems many wish to pigeon-hole players into these structured dynamic cookie cutter classes that make it just like any other shooter out there. Limited roles with limited guns and limited slot and limited skills and bonuses to this and nerfs to that. This was never on the menu. I understand the need for balance. In nearly a year of Beta testing I have seen things addressed that needed to promote that balance. But now that the game is about to go "live", many are scrambling to sap every ounce of originality out of the game. I play the same game you do. I am an average player with meager 1.13 KDR and I have been a dedicated Logistics/Triage player for several builds and ever since Open Beta kicked off. I have logged several hours of game time since the update and I have yet to run across what seems to be a outpouring of Super Soldiers out there populating the battlefield. I have seen the same mixture of fittings that I have always seen. Some are heavy on the defense, some are heavy on the offense. Some have ranged weapons and some are CQB. Heavy shields, heavy armor, balanced mix...I see it all. Sometimes they kill me...sometimes I kill them. Now I even have this nifty stats screen to even tell me how they did it and what suit that are wearing. Kill me enough times and I will probably switch to a different fitting (we get like 30 you know) that might be better designed to take you down the next time we meet. I was kind of under the impression this was how the game was to be played. At least that was how it was advertised so many months ago. Do me a favor. Put a little effort into your gameplay and don't try and put me in a box with some generic label on it.
RydogV Shadow Company HQ 140	Posted - 2013.05.10 20:52:00 - [3] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: I'm going to try and gather your opinions about what each class is supposed to do. If CCP would like to step in and tell us what they think that would be great :) I will watch the results and see what kind of consensus we can get. Anyway, here is a form I made: Heavies: 1. What do you think their main role should be? 2. Any secondary roles? 3. Advantages, disadvantages? 4. Are they currently what they are supposed to be? Assaults: 1. What do you think their main role should be? 2. Any secondary roles? 3. Advantages, disadvantages? 4. Are they currently what they are supposed to be? Scouts: 1. What do you think their main role should be? 2. Any secondary roles? 3. Advantages, disadvantages? 4. Are they currently what they are supposed to be? Logis: 1. What do you think their main role should be? 2. Any secondary roles? 3. Advantages, disadvantages? 4. Are they currently what they are supposed to be? Here is how I would fill it: Heavies: 1. What do you think their main role should be? Point defense 2. Any secondary roles? Slow, strong pushing forward 3. Advantages, disadvantages? High HP, High DPS, very slow, big targets. 4. Are they currently what they are supposed to be? Kinda sorta. The slow pushing part is the tricky one. They are good at defense after the recent buff, but they don't do much at pushing forward. Assaults: 1. What do you think their main role should be? General combat 2. Any secondary roles? Nothing, they're general. 3. Advantages, disadvantages? Have a good medium between speed, HP, DPS potential, slots, etc'. They're generalists so they're not going to outdo other suits at their specific use. 4. Are they currently what they are supposed to be? I think they are pushing too much into the "Do everything, better than anyone" part. They're too close to scout speed, too close to Heavy HP. Scouts: 1. What do you think their main role should be? Scouting, relaying information for the squad. 2. Any secondary roles? Hit and run attacks. 3. Advantages, disadvantages? Very quick, low scan profile, can be completely hidden from enemy radar until its too late. Low HP, problematic fitting. 4. Are they currently what they are supposed to be? The hit and run part works well, though as I said they need a speed buff as assaults can outdo them at that. Relaying information goes into the EWAR mechanics of the game, which are coming Soon(TM), so we'll see how well they do then. Logis: 1. What do you think their main role should be? Squad support 2. Any secondary roles? None 3. Advantages, disadvantages? Are the most versatile, most fitting slots, most CPU/PG. Lack sidearm (except for Amarr one), lower base HP, lower base speed. 4. Are they currently what they are supposed to be? Caldari logi, nuff said. Pretty long post when all you needed to say, like most others in the QQ crowd is that Caldari Logi is OP. Which it isn't by the way...oh well. Not going to convince anyone around here of that.