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Gage Bouren
Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack
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Posted - 2013.05.10 14:22:00 -
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Implementing a skill tree re spec feature will benefit Dust 514 because this makes the game more enjoyable for players with shorter tempers and attention spans. Dust 514 needs hundreds of thousands of players and I want it to happen!
If I play for one year and earn all my points then I believe I should have the right to move them around based on every point I have ever earned, but not everyone else may feel that way. Even CCP can put a Aurum charge of anywhere between 1000-10,000 Aurum to use this feature at will and I would use it for the fun of changing up my specializations and enjoy knowing I paid them to allow this.
Another very good point to this Respec feature for a Aurum charge is that since players by the thousands would buy the Aurum to do this and be happy knowing they have the ability to be flexible, and this way more players find what they want to use and stay playing dust 514. My summery of the Skill point Respec feature is that Dust 514 players will play Dust 514 longer, Dust 514 would see an increase in Aurum purchases, and new players are more likely to stay longer. Since it takes 7 years to try to skill everything I figured a win win Idea needed to be added. Thank you for reading if you post hate mail I will find you in dust and run you over have a nice day ^_^ ! |
Delirium Inferno
Edoras Corporation
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Posted - 2013.05.10 14:25:00 -
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Again I don't need a respec but this sounds fine. I can understand EVE's policy with respecs, but Dust is a completely different style of game. Put some big limits on it, and maybe even a small SP penalty, and it could be fine for the type of game Dust is compared to EVE. Though it appears CCP is pretty deadlocked on never doing respecs unless they change the skills drastically. |
Declarush
Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack
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Posted - 2013.05.10 14:39:00 -
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Agreed most rpgs give out respec yearly for just playing that long |
copy left
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
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Posted - 2013.05.10 14:44:00 -
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I wouldnt have a problem with paid respecs. After all it is your money.
This game is F2P, and with that, money making options are here and I like options.
A paid respec is one. |
Halador Osiris
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
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Posted - 2013.05.10 14:44:00 -
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Declarush wrote:Agreed most rpgs give out respec yearly for just playing that long We're in the EVE universe. EVE is a very mature game where actions have permanent consequences and players are allowed time to have a real life (and a real job) by means of passive skill points. Lying, cheating, stealing, espionage, and all sorts of activities that would get you banned in any other game are all fair game here. It's a free market economy in the truest sense, and one mistake can lose you days, weeks, months of progress.
TL;DR Don't **** up. |
NAV HIV
The Generals EoN.
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Posted - 2013.05.10 14:46:00 -
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Gage Bouren wrote:Implementing a skill tree re spec feature will benefit Dust 514 because this makes the game more enjoyable for players with shorter tempers and attention spans. Dust 514 needs hundreds of thousands of players and I want it to happen!
If I play for one year and earn all my points then I believe I should have the right to move them around based on every point I have ever earned, but not everyone else may feel that way. Even CCP can put a Aurum charge of anywhere between 1000-10,000 Aurum to use this feature at will and I would use it for the fun of changing up my specializations and enjoy knowing I paid them to allow this.
Another very good point to this Respec feature for a Aurum charge is that since players by the thousands would buy the Aurum to do this and be happy knowing they have the ability to be flexible, and this way more players find what they want to use and stay playing dust 514. My summery of the Skill point Respec feature is that Dust 514 players will play Dust 514 longer, Dust 514 would see an increase in Aurum purchases, and new players are more likely to stay longer. Since it takes 7 years to try to skill everything I figured a win win Idea needed to be added. Thank you for reading if you post hate mail I will find you in dust and run you over have a nice day ^_^ !
I don't mind the Respec option, but it shouldnt be very cheap. Should atleast be 30k+ AUR....
HATE MAIL , try running me over |
Dazereth the 2nd
Stoned Kloned Killers
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Posted - 2013.05.10 14:46:00 -
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At the end of the day, it's about player retention. I assure you the ability to respec will be more highly prized than any babble about fairness, difficulty or "Just not screwing up".
Shallow arguments all. |
trollsroyce
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.05.10 14:46:00 -
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Absolutely not, and never. Your choices have consequences. EVE is better than other mmo's in this, dust should follow. |
Heinz Doofenshertz
BetaMax. CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.05.10 14:51:00 -
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why Respec, why not just earn more SP and expand what you can do? |
RedRebelCork
Ahrendee Mercenaries
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Posted - 2013.05.10 14:54:00 -
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I wouldn't mind paying out a few thousand AUR for a respec now and again to try new things. That being said if CCP were to continually move the goal posts by buffing/nerfing different dropsuits,weapons etc then the cynic in me would probably bristle at having to pay to keep up with the latest "OP" gear. |
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RedRebelCork
Ahrendee Mercenaries
40
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Posted - 2013.05.10 15:02:00 -
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trollsroyce wrote:Absolutely not, and never. Your choices have consequences. EVE is better than other mmo's in this, dust should follow.
That's an overly simplistic assessment.
Let me illustrate my point with YOUR point.
Let's say CPP makes a choice not to allow respecs. Staying in character, let's say they then decide to nerf something (TAR/logi suits for example seem to be the villain of the hour). Their choices will have the consequence of swathes of players having their choices nullified and their time wasted. The consequence of all that being less players for the game and less money for CCP.
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Thor Odinson42
Planetary Response Organization
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Posted - 2013.05.10 15:05:00 -
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Halador Osiris wrote:Declarush wrote:Agreed most rpgs give out respec yearly for just playing that long We're in the EVE universe. EVE is a very mature game where actions have permanent consequences and players are allowed time to have a real life (and a real job) by means of passive skill points. Lying, cheating, stealing, espionage, and all sorts of activities that would get you banned in any other game are all fair game here. It's a free market economy in the truest sense, and one mistake can lose you days, weeks, months of progress. TL;DR Don't **** up. I think bringing a respec to eve would be a good idea as well. As well as I unallocated SP for times you forget about your skill queue.
If your account is active you are basically paying for SP. you should be able to start a new skill and have that "lost" SP go towards the new skill.
Just because its always been some way doesn't mean it can't use an improvement. Anything to gain new players without running of old ones. If what I mentioned above ran off eve vets then they were on the fence already. Eve needs some new life.
If a player isn't having fun in a role it would be in their interest to offer a respec to try and keep them around. As a guy who wants to see Dust a huge success I'm not sure how that could bother anyone.
As others have mentioned, give an AUR option and a free annual respec. |
Kleanur Guy
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
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Posted - 2013.05.10 15:25:00 -
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My mum and dad are rich! I could theoretically, fulfil every role I could ever want at once. TAR/Cal logis OP? I'll spec them (even though I don't have much SP I can still do it!). Did they nerf that? Oh Mass Drivers and Heavy Suits are OP now (just for example), I'll spec that! NVM I don't like that set up, ill respec and get a shogun scout for this hour, then next hour ill be a Laser Assault! Hmmm, I haven't tried the SMGs yet, I'll respec those.
I think you get my point. |
Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organization
2241
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Posted - 2013.05.10 15:35:00 -
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I will never support Respec-for-Sale. Not in Eve and certainly not in Dust. I would say allow one more respec on the 14th of this month given the mistakes CCP made with some of the skill books (especially for vehicle users), but beyond that I don't ever want to see a Respec-For-Sale anywhere near anything that is attached to New Eden.
Dust may be a different game from Eve Online, but it will always be operating under the same rules of New Eden that have remained unchanged since 2003. |
Chances Ghost
Inf4m0us
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Posted - 2013.05.10 15:40:00 -
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the problem with alowing players to re-spec is that it will create a system where flavor of the month will be the only way to win.
in order to compete you WILL have to respec to flavor of the month and it will create a situation where the game become pay for respec to win.
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Vsor
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.05.10 15:42:00 -
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I would support respecs, either for sale or annually. You can't respec in eve because it would break the game, and you could abuse it. I can't really think of any way it could be used in dust to give an unfair advantage. Also in eve online you don't need to respec because you can have multiple accounts. |
Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organization
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Posted - 2013.05.10 15:55:00 -
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Vsor wrote:I would support respecs, either for sale or annually. You can't respec in eve because it would break the game, and you could abuse it. I can't really think of any way it could be used in dust to give an unfair advantage. Also in eve online you don't need to respec because you can have multiple accounts.
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=700867#post700867
Quote: 4. Do not underestimate the organizational capacity of the inhabitants of New Eden (in both Eve and Dust). You will be surprised and amazed at what this community can do already.
Just because something is claimed to not have an exploit it doesn't mean the exploiters will stop exploiting. If there is a loophole, those players will figure it out. Case in point, the exploit in Eve regarding Faction Warfare LP and wrecks caught CCP completely by surprise because the exploiter gamed the system via a strategic manipulation of the market's moving average of a supposedly "useless" item that was worth only 1 ISK per unit. |
Vsor
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.05.10 16:07:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Vsor wrote:I would support respecs, either for sale or annually. You can't respec in eve because it would break the game, and you could abuse it. I can't really think of any way it could be used in dust to give an unfair advantage. Also in eve online you don't need to respec because you can have multiple accounts. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=700867#post700867Quote: 4. Do not underestimate the organizational capacity of the inhabitants of New Eden (in both Eve and Dust). You will be surprised and amazed at what this community can do already.
Just because something is claimed to not have an exploit it doesn't mean the exploiters will stop exploiting. If there is a loophole, those players will figure it out. Case in point, the exploit in Eve regarding Faction Warfare LP and wrecks caught CCP completely by surprise because the exploiter gamed the system via a strategic manipulation of the market's moving average of a supposedly "useless" item that was worth only 1 ISK per unit. NINJA EDIT: In Dust, you can have infinite accounts because they are free. In Eve, the number of accounts is limited by the size of your wallet.
You make some good points, but none of them are contrary to what I said. The exploit right now is that you can spam PS3 accounts to have more weapon diversity, respecs would make that near pointless. |
Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organization
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Posted - 2013.05.10 16:16:00 -
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Vsor wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:Vsor wrote:I would support respecs, either for sale or annually. You can't respec in eve because it would break the game, and you could abuse it. I can't really think of any way it could be used in dust to give an unfair advantage. Also in eve online you don't need to respec because you can have multiple accounts. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=700867#post700867Quote: 4. Do not underestimate the organizational capacity of the inhabitants of New Eden (in both Eve and Dust). You will be surprised and amazed at what this community can do already.
Just because something is claimed to not have an exploit it doesn't mean the exploiters will stop exploiting. If there is a loophole, those players will figure it out. Case in point, the exploit in Eve regarding Faction Warfare LP and wrecks caught CCP completely by surprise because the exploiter gamed the system via a strategic manipulation of the market's moving average of a supposedly "useless" item that was worth only 1 ISK per unit. NINJA EDIT: In Dust, you can have infinite accounts because they are free. In Eve, the number of accounts is limited by the size of your wallet. You make some good points, but none of them are contrary to what I said. The exploit right now is that you can spam PS3 accounts to have more weapon diversity, respecs would make that near pointless.
But the overall problem will always be that SP will be devalued and become nothing more than a game of shuffling numbers. You are suppose to live with your mistakes if you improperly placed your SP into something that didn't benefit you. Just like real-life, your mistakes are never erased and become constant reminders of what NOT to do next time. This is what we call the "Adapt-or-Die" concept in New Eden.
Again, I will only support one more free respec courtesy of CCP due to the issues that came up with improperly-described skill books (ie: you paid for an orange but got an apple instead) for vehicle owners. Beyond that, screw it. Live with your mistakes like everyone else. |
Vsor
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.05.10 16:23:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote: But the overall problem will always be that SP will be devalued and become nothing more than a game of shuffling numbers.
This is not true if it either costs AUR or is annual. Being unable to change you skills does nothing to support "adapt or die". |
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Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organization
2244
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Posted - 2013.05.10 16:25:00 -
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Vsor wrote:Maken Tosch wrote: But the overall problem will always be that SP will be devalued and become nothing more than a game of shuffling numbers.
This is not true if it either costs AUR or is annual. Being unable to change you skills does nothing to support "adapt or die".
It does support adapt or die.
I accidentally placed my SP into Gallente Scouts when I intended for Minmatar Scout (I'm not kidding, this actually happened... stupid me) and now I'm forcing myself to learn how to fully utilize the Gallente Suit to get close enough to stab someone in the back. |
Vsor
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2013.05.10 16:31:00 -
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I think you missed my point. Being able to reevaluate what is a good idea for you and changing yourself to address it is adaption at its best. |
Kain Spero
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.05.10 16:35:00 -
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Decisions have consequences. Respecs in the long run (especially paid ones) would be a P2W feature and should not be implemented. They actually encourage flavor of the week imbalances even more because players respec to move to what is currently "OP", and also gives veterans an unfair advantage by having a vast pool of SP from which to pull from during a respec.
The are exceptions to this. One, in my opinion, would a situation where dramatic changes to the skill tree and/or costs of skills needed to be made. It this case players should be given the option to respec. |
NtSAvrgThnkr
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.05.10 16:47:00 -
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I played several months of beta, bought 3 merc packs along the way. I'm not happy with new skill trees or how difficult and time consuming it is to study the different dropsuits. As it stands I am not happy with the way I spent my 6 million SP. Therefor I almost don't even feel like playing anymore. Today is one of my days off, I usually would have logged onto Dust 2 hours ago and played for 6 hours.
My boosters are gone so I'm in the market for another merc pack, was actually thinking of picking up an Elite Pack. If I quit playing Dust I'm definitely not going to buy either. This is lost revenue for CCP. Obviously I'm only one person but I can't be the only person in this boat. Allow me a respec and I'll take more time spending my SP this time, and I'll purchase either a merc pack or an Elite pack. Don't allow me a respec and I'll probably find a new hobby.
Some people will tell me to cry more, or I should have taken more time and read more before spending my SP. Well this game is a shooter afterall, I wanted to play, not spend all day figuring out the most perfect way to spend my SP. Obviously I should have though, because now I'm not satisfied and i don't think I'll continue playing. |
Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organization
2244
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Posted - 2013.05.10 16:49:00 -
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Vsor wrote:I think you missed my point. Being able to reevaluate what is a good idea for you and changing yourself to address it is adaption at its best.
I did not miss your point. Your point is all too-clear to me and I don't like what it brings to the game as a whole. Like Kain pointed out, it will only benefit the veterans even more when they have more than 20 million SP. The Respec-for-Sale system is just too imbalanced to implement. I cannot stressed this enough.
I will never EVER accept any situation in which a Respec is paid for. End of story. |
xxMemphis
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.05.10 16:50:00 -
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I am not a fan of a paid respec, but I do think 1 more before the "official release" is needed. Everyone keeps comparing DUST to EVE....played both and they are VERY DIFFERENT games and communities. DUST is an FPS MMO and to keep players you will compete with far more than any PC Space MMO. I did not screw up any of my skills they all went exactly where I wanted to put them...I would and will respec first chance I get now that I see what is happening with the new merc packs, racial suits, the logi SP sink, the range issues, etc..... Once this game is better set and not a constant change to skills that worked then I will live with my mistakes...until then give me an out for your mistakes |
GuerillaBlack
The Turkish Warriors
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Posted - 2013.05.10 17:15:00 -
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How a bout doing it with the WP you earn in game. Every 10000 or an other number of wp you get a chance to respec. |
Xender17
Oblivion S.G.X
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Posted - 2013.05.10 17:18:00 -
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Now players can just respect into AV easily... That is not fair for vehicle users... |
Chances Ghost
Inf4m0us
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Posted - 2013.05.10 17:23:00 -
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NtSAvrgThnkr wrote:I played several months of beta, bought 3 merc packs along the way. I'm not happy with new skill trees or how difficult and time consuming it is to study the different dropsuits. As it stands I am not happy with the way I spent my 6 million SP. Therefor I almost don't even feel like playing anymore. Today is one of my days off, I usually would have logged onto Dust 2 hours ago and played for 6 hours.
My boosters are gone so I'm in the market for another merc pack, was actually thinking of picking up an Elite Pack. If I quit playing Dust I'm definitely not going to buy either. This is lost revenue for CCP. Obviously I'm only one person but I can't be the only person in this boat. Allow me a respec and I'll take more time spending my SP this time, and I'll purchase either a merc pack or an Elite pack. Don't allow me a respec and I'll probably find a new hobby.
Some people will tell me to cry more, or I should have taken more time and read more before spending my SP. Well this game is a shooter afterall, I wanted to play, not spend all day figuring out the most perfect way to spend my SP. Obviously I should have though, because now I'm not satisfied and i don't think I'll continue playing.
this may be a shooter, but its not the same kind og shooter as the others, building a suit and customising your SP and skills are half the game, if thats not what your looking for than this game probably isnt for you.
is the market for a game like this as big as say COD where you jump in and shoot people without any sort of other gameplay? no it isnt. it will never be as big as that.
this is a thining mans shooter, if you dont want to think, its probably not going to be the game for you.
i carefully thought of what role i wanted to play, what playstyle i wanted to have and i picked and chose and built my suits and skills systematically and i have to say i do not regret a single SP ive spent.
best of all i enjoyed doing that, i enjoyed playing my skills and building my own personal class, and figureing out the best way to do what i wanted to do with the tools available, and THATS what dust is, thats the market its going for.
i understand that its frusterating when you much up your skills, and make mistakes with them you regret, but honestly you KNEW that it was the final respec, you KNEW how how important you desicions would be. and yet to spent recklessly anyways. |
Kiro Justice
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
84
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Posted - 2013.05.10 17:28:00 -
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Xender17 wrote:Now players can just respect into AV easily... That is not fair for vehicle users...
Vehicles aren't that big a threat. |
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Knarf Black
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.05.10 17:28:00 -
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Regular respec options would completely break some of the game's best features: consequence and permanence.
Or do you want this game to become 'Whatever the Imp A-listers Are Currently Using 514'? |
Kiro Justice
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
84
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Posted - 2013.05.10 17:32:00 -
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Knarf Black wrote:Regular respec options would completely break some of the game's best features: consequence and permanence.
Or do you want this game to become 'Whatever the Imp A-listers Are Currently Using 514'?
This. |
Ivan Avogadro
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.05.10 17:33:00 -
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Planetside had this feature, you had to respec in home base, so its not like you could do it on the fly. Just just reprogrammed your brain based on the fight you wanted to have that day, and respec again 24 hours later. Vets had the advantage over noobs by having more options, not necessarily deeper skills.
I think there should be some wiggle room, like speccing into one racial frame should give you a bonus for speccing into a similar frame. but full on pay to respec seems a little off... |
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