DUST Search - The "Logistics" Connundrum: Time To Lay It Down

Chankk Saotome wrote:

Delirium Inferno wrote:

Chankk Saotome wrote:

People are complaining about logis having all these slots because they don't.

Why would you want to take that away from someone else instead of just boosting your own class build?

Because logis are doing a better job at assault than assault. Plus with 4 high and 4 low, you can't really boost the assault even more because there's no room to grow there. You'd have to give all 4 racial variants of assault 5 high and 5 low and even then the logi would be better at assault since they can self support themselves with all the equipment.

If there was more room to grow I would see your point, but as it stands now logis are pretty much maxed out everywhere. There should be no suit like this, regardless of the investment involved.

le sigh...

Again, you fail to read the entire posting, thus nullifying any attempt at argument you make.

By quoting lines out of context without the whole you not only dilute the actual statement made but corrupt its meaning and twist it to fit what you THINK you want because you can't look at a bigger picture than what already exists.

Imagine if a Proto Cal assault had 4H,3L and 2E, Gall 3/4/2... Min 4/3/2 or Amarr 3/5/1...
With their notably higher base stats than the logi suits they would at most break even if a logi attempted to run assault which is what, unfortunately, 90% of players want to run because they want the average bland mud-pie FPS and can't even begin to imagine something infinitely better which is what DUST has the opportunity to give us.

So give those racial spec Assault and Heavy suits more CPU/PG as well, and increase the CPU/PG demand of related spec focused modules like damage modifiers, thus restricting those to either weakened "assaut" logis or the THEN more significantly powered proper frontline assault Assaults.

Ive said it half a dozen times already, though not all contained here. Stop asking to REDUCE another players gameplay style, but rather balance UP to make yours better.

There needs to be a clearly defined benefit to skilling into the racial specialty suits. Right now, Logistics is the only one that has it, and it fits, it's balanced. The issue is that the Assault, Heavy, and Scout race spec suits don't. THAT is what needs fixing, not "nerfing" something else that other players have worked hard for and earned.


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Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 144	Posted - 2013.05.10 18:58:00 - [1] - Quote Chankk Saotome wrote: Delirium Inferno wrote: Chankk Saotome wrote: People are complaining about logis having all these slots because they don't. Why would you want to take that away from someone else instead of just boosting your own class build? Because logis are doing a better job at assault than assault. Plus with 4 high and 4 low, you can't really boost the assault even more because there's no room to grow there. You'd have to give all 4 racial variants of assault 5 high and 5 low and even then the logi would be better at assault since they can self support themselves with all the equipment. If there was more room to grow I would see your point, but as it stands now logis are pretty much maxed out everywhere. There should be no suit like this, regardless of the investment involved. le sigh... Again, you fail to read the entire posting, thus nullifying any attempt at argument you make. By quoting lines out of context without the whole you not only dilute the actual statement made but corrupt its meaning and twist it to fit what you THINK you want because you can't look at a bigger picture than what already exists. Imagine if a Proto Cal assault had 4H,3L and 2E, Gall 3/4/2... Min 4/3/2 or Amarr 3/5/1... With their notably higher base stats than the logi suits they would at most break even if a logi attempted to run assault which is what, unfortunately, 90% of players want to run because they want the average bland mud-pie FPS and can't even begin to imagine something infinitely better which is what DUST has the opportunity to give us. So give those racial spec Assault and Heavy suits more CPU/PG as well, and increase the CPU/PG demand of related spec focused modules like damage modifiers, thus restricting those to either weakened "assaut" logis or the THEN more significantly powered proper frontline assault Assaults. Ive said it half a dozen times already, though not all contained here. Stop asking to REDUCE another players gameplay style, but rather balance UP to make yours better. There needs to be a clearly defined benefit to skilling into the racial specialty suits. Right now, Logistics is the only one that has it, and it fits, it's balanced. The issue is that the Assault, Heavy, and Scout race spec suits don't. THAT is what needs fixing, not "nerfing" something else that other players have worked hard for and earned. I don't agree that the Caldari is broken, but I agree other specs need to be adjusted. The Caldari proto assault already has a fair amount of slots, just not equipment. If their base EHP were higher, they had a slightly better movement edge, or they had better passive spec bonuses - the extra slots on the logi wouldn't matter. The extra logi module slots can allow them to be flexible. If they decide to go all-in for assault, that's takes sacrificing all those slots, and I imagine in the "best" case scenario that a Caldari Logi with a shield bonus might be beating a Caldari Assault at shields, but by sacrificing damage. Similarly, by going all damage mods, the logi would comparatively crippled in protection compared to the Assault. The high slot count is something I see as allowing logis to adjust their build around protection, EWAR, hacking, or combat roles. Assault should have a better default combat state, but a logi going all-out on defense should be slightly better than an assault - worse than a heavy in total hp (at the expense of something else in their lego build). This is aside from the more obvious counters - even a Caldari Logi maxing their shield bonus (very expensive, it should be mentioned) can get them wiped in a single flux, is vulnerable to anti-shield weapons, etc. Of course, people also need to consider that damage was just buffed again by 10%, and even maxing protection won't protect you long (ARs already have a 110 bonus to to shields, Scramblers will have more).