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Doshneil Antaro wrote:

dalt ud wrote:

DS3 user

Just disable kbm, like 99% other shooters on ps3 its only way to make game equal fot all. Or disable ds3, and 80% players will leave dust514.

Aiming with kbm (in chromosome) was too fast and total unfair. In near future ds3 users have no future in this game if mouse will have advantage with aiming and turning speed.

You choosed PS3 as platform for dust514, so, i am sure you thought about PS3's install base, and you have planned to get players from this install base. So just use your imagination for thinking in way of new DS3 lplayers who came to dust514 - 95% of them have no slighest chances to compete vs kbm's users. Ok, i play shooters with ds3 for years, i can win vs most of unxperienced kbm users, but i have not many chances vs experienced kbm user.So i know chances well, if one corp will get many experienced kbm users - no one ds3 corp will win them. No one.

And most of ds3 users wont get kbm, they just will leave game. If you will not balance kbm vs ds3 i serious will think about leave this game. What the hell, better i will play in fair game in battlefield 4 than always loose to kbm users here. I got 15 friends from bf3 to dust514, they have same opinion.

Kbm users dont want play with ds3? Ok, let them play this game with kbm, but with some limitation wich meke kbm equal to ds3. Why the must have permanent advantage vs 80% of other players?

If you want success on ps3 - think about ds3 users at first.

look 3 post before yours at my previous. Do you not see the truth to it, or are you just going to cry until you get your way?I use both not just kb/m and brought to light that certain fixes could bring a form of balance, but instead of arguing valid points, you just rant your heart out.


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dalt ud Vacuum Cleaner. LLC RUST415 97	Posted - 2013.05.12 08:11:00 - [1] - Quote DS3 user Just disable kbm, like 99% other shooters on ps3 its only way to make game equal fot all. Or disable ds3, and 80% players will leave dust514. Aiming with kbm (in chromosome) was too fast and total unfair. In near future ds3 users have no future in this game if mouse will have advantage with aiming and turning speed. You choosed PS3 as platform for dust514, so, i am sure you thought about PS3's install base, and you have planned to get players from this install base. So just use your imagination for thinking in way of new DS3 lplayers who came to dust514 - 95% of them have no slighest chances to compete vs kbm's users. Ok, i play shooters with ds3 for years, i can win vs most of unxperienced kbm users, but i have not many chances vs experienced kbm user.So i know chances well, if one corp will get many experienced kbm users - no one ds3 corp will win them. No one. And most of ds3 users wont get kbm, they just will leave game. If you will not balance kbm vs ds3 i serious will think about leave this game. What the hell, better i will play in fair game in battlefield 4 than always loose to kbm users here. I got 15 friends from bf3 to dust514, they have same opinion. Kbm users dont want play with ds3? Ok, let them play this game with kbm, but with some limitation wich meke kbm equal to ds3. Why the must have permanent advantage vs 80% of other players? If you want success on ps3 - think about ds3 users at first.
dalt ud Vacuum Cleaner. LLC RUST415 97	Posted - 2013.05.12 08:32:00 - [2] - Quote Doshneil Antaro wrote: dalt ud wrote: DS3 user Just disable kbm, like 99% other shooters on ps3 its only way to make game equal fot all. Or disable ds3, and 80% players will leave dust514. Aiming with kbm (in chromosome) was too fast and total unfair. In near future ds3 users have no future in this game if mouse will have advantage with aiming and turning speed. You choosed PS3 as platform for dust514, so, i am sure you thought about PS3's install base, and you have planned to get players from this install base. So just use your imagination for thinking in way of new DS3 lplayers who came to dust514 - 95% of them have no slighest chances to compete vs kbm's users. Ok, i play shooters with ds3 for years, i can win vs most of unxperienced kbm users, but i have not many chances vs experienced kbm user.So i know chances well, if one corp will get many experienced kbm users - no one ds3 corp will win them. No one. And most of ds3 users wont get kbm, they just will leave game. If you will not balance kbm vs ds3 i serious will think about leave this game. What the hell, better i will play in fair game in battlefield 4 than always loose to kbm users here. I got 15 friends from bf3 to dust514, they have same opinion. Kbm users dont want play with ds3? Ok, let them play this game with kbm, but with some limitation wich meke kbm equal to ds3. Why the must have permanent advantage vs 80% of other players? If you want success on ps3 - think about ds3 users at first. look 3 post before yours at my previous. Do you not see the truth to it, or are you just going to cry until you get your way?I use both not just kb/m and brought to light that certain fixes could bring a form of balance, but instead of arguing valid points, you just rant your heart out. Dont tell me what to do, and i will not say where you must go. I have same rights to show my opinion here.If CCP can balance it - i will happy. If they wont balance - ds3 users wont play. Thats all. p.s. and try to read posts fully next time, i told about balance too, but best way is disabling kbm, coz 10-15% is kbm users.
dalt ud Vacuum Cleaner. LLC RUST415 97	Posted - 2013.05.12 09:02:00 - [3] - Quote Indy Strizer wrote: If CCP is really worried about DS3 users and wants to hold their hands, then just improve auto-aim. That's what it is there for, don't ruin the aim of players who actually want to enjoy aiming! why not "press to win" button? I want use my skill, not aim bot. So only way is limitation of kbm to level of ds3, or disabling kbm at all. Why 15% of players have advantage and dare to demand keep it?
dalt ud Vacuum Cleaner. LLC RUST415 97	Posted - 2013.05.12 10:02:00 - [4] - Quote Rei Shepard wrote: those 10-15% KBM users are also 90% of the time holder of 1-3 Eve payed accounts, disabling KBM will not be good from a busness perspective, just me and my 3 friends inbetween us hold 13 total Dust/Eve accounts all payed for. I also never seen you have remorse as you 4 man pub stomp trough lines of oblivious noobs that are using ds3's, if thats fine why are you quacking in your boots if 2 out of those 16 are KBM users ? Are they the only ones capable of ruining your KDR? Anyone with DS3 can reach my level of skill with ds3 if he want and keep practice, and no one with ds3 can reach level wich provide kbm. I played bf3 a lot and i was not best player with ds3, so its fair when skill provide KD. Rei Shepard wrote: Besides if they disable KBM support, i will hook up my Eagle Eye converter, and seeing it works better as the current native KMB support we have atm, we will still be here. Ok, so you always want to have advantage, its have the name - cheating. I played with kbm long time ago in UT, quake3, but i changed my skill to ds3 for playing ps3 shooters. Its not so easy, but it worth it. And you guys have to use female characters for advantage too, do you? Rei Shepard wrote: Right now i am fighting more with my controls then i am fighting my opponents and my KDR is still going up, but not so good KBM players are having their fun ruined bigtime and this game is supposed to be one for the long haul, where CCP wants to aquire as much players as possible. Right now its not balance, right now its just inputlag, just for mouse it more hardly. I feel it with my ds3 too. Rei Shepard wrote: Limiting the pool to just ds3 players limits the total scope of players, you don't seem to be too distraught about Move players playing against you ? Why ? Because they are easy pickings ? Coz Move have same limitation of turning speed as ds3. You cant to easy turn to 360 degrees as with kbm. p.s. yes, i dont like to make even 15% of players unhappy, but now its not fair situation for 80% of players. And CCP must had not enabled kbm at all. Now its dilemma.
dalt ud Vacuum Cleaner. LLC RUST415 97	Posted - 2013.05.12 10:11:00 - [5] - Quote Indy Strizer wrote: dalt ud wrote: Indy Strizer wrote: If CCP is really worried about DS3 users and wants to hold their hands, then just improve auto-aim. That's what it is there for, don't ruin the aim of players who actually want to enjoy aiming! why not "press to win" button? I want use my skill, not aim bot. So only way is limitation of kbm to level of ds3, or disabling kbm at all. Why 15% of players have advantage and dare to demand keep it? First... You don't have to use auto-aim. Second... You say you want to limit keyboard and mouse to the level of DS3... but, what exactly is the level of the DS3? Do you really think it's terrible enough to deserve this set-up... and if you do, then why even use a controller that you think is such a low level piece of hardware? Third... They can't truly limit keyboard and mouse itself, they've only only limited their ability to aim. Why in the world would anyone want that? FPS players want to be able to aim, let the people who can't or don't care about aiming have their auto-aim while everybody else can enjoy the game. 1. More aim assist - less skill for playing. Aim-bot its maximum on this way. 2. I tried kbm in chromosome, i did can aim twice faster than with ds3, and i had x3-4 turning speed. As minimum turning speed must be limited. CCP made the overall speed of the game slower, so if i have controls for kbm like in chromosome - i am headshot god in Uprising. Thats not fair at all. And other side of kbm - its provide macroses.... one more reason to disable mouse support. 3. Yes, i have no fun to make anyone unhappy, but most of players play with ds3, why 15% of players must have advantage? And improving aim assist is not best choise. Maybe in complex solution a little improved aim assist will not bad. So its dilemma. And CCP must make choise or find way to balance.
dalt ud Vacuum Cleaner. LLC RUST415 97	Posted - 2013.05.12 10:35:00 - [6] - Quote Indy Strizer wrote: 3. That question can be flipped, why must 15% of players have their aim ruined? Improving aim assist lets people who want to challenge themselves to aim while catering to the people who can't. That''s what CCP is trying to accomplish right? Disabling mouse - will ruin their game, i agree. But i dont want to play vs corps of experienced kbm users - i cant win them coz controller advantage only. Its easy to gather them in one domination battle team. It definitely ruin my game, i see no rreason for playing in game where i have no chances to win. And all ds3 users understand it too. One way to make game equal for all - one type of controller. Let it be kbm, so i leave this game for ever. Or let it be ds3 - kbm users will buy emulators, anyway they wanna easy way. But emulators have some limitations too, it will more fair for all than current situation.
dalt ud Vacuum Cleaner. LLC RUST415 97	Posted - 2013.05.12 11:04:00 - [7] - Quote Indy Strizer wrote: You're exaggerating... You do have a chance to win. I use the DS3 and I win. I can't tell who is using keyboard and mouse and who isn't and I suspect other players can't either. I only worry about who is good and who is not, but with the way things are now... Everybody might as well be terrible shots... . Not exaggerating at all. Just now in game not many really experienced kbm users. In future it will changed. I easy can beat 90% of kbm users right now. In future they will reach skill and i will have no chances vs them at all. So in anyway it will best players of some corp, and they will stack together in one battle team. And this will ruin chances to win for any ds3 users. Indy Strizer wrote: Better aim alone doesn't win corp battles. You are joking? In FPS it always win battles. ALWAYS. Tactic work if aiming and shooting skills is equal. So first factor is aiming and shooting skills, secondary factor - tactical skills.
dalt ud Vacuum Cleaner. LLC RUST415 97	Posted - 2013.05.12 11:06:00 - [8] - Quote Khan Hun wrote: I do feel for you DS3 users though, I don't want an advantage at all, I just want a game I can enjoy. I want it too bro. CCP must resolve this problem somehow
dalt ud Vacuum Cleaner. LLC RUST415 97	Posted - 2013.05.12 11:12:00 - [9] - Quote Maybe will work something like it: 24vs24 is corp battle 30% of each team allow to be kbm users, 70% of each team ds3 users. So each team have 8 slots for mouse users and 16 slots for ds3 users. Ds3 users can occupy kbm slots if they want. Kbm users cannot occupy ds3 slot at all. And it will fair enough, coz prevent stacking of kbm users.
dalt ud Vacuum Cleaner. LLC RUST415 98	Posted - 2013.05.12 11:52:00 - [10] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: dalt ud wrote: Khan Hun wrote: I do feel for you DS3 users though, I don't want an advantage at all, I just want a game I can enjoy. I want it too bro. CCP must resolve this problem somehow Ban the DS3. Ok, lets do it. You will play alone then

dalt ud Vacuum Cleaner. LLC RUST415 106	Posted - 2013.05.12 11:59:00 - [11] - Quote Indy Strizer wrote: You act like mouse and keyboard is unstoppable or it's magic or it will instantly negate tactics, it does not. 90 % of players have no skill at all. Doesnot matter kbm or ds3. 7% have good skill 3% have perfect skill this 3% of kbm users just unstoppable with ds3 AT ALL. You will say, its ok, its 3% only. 3% of 10 000 - its 300. 300 its is 13 unstoppable teams if here will 24vs24 battles. No one with ds3 can beat this 3% of kbm users. And as i know (i play 5 years in battlefiled series) best of the best players ALWAYS STACK together. ALWAYS. One possible way - prevent stacking kbm users in one team like i told before. I see no other ways to reslove this problem.
dalt ud Vacuum Cleaner. LLC RUST415 106	Posted - 2013.05.12 12:31:00 - [12] - Quote Fleen Costell'o wrote: Mouse evil for PS3. professionals with long play on his arm, long known as a programmatic way to customize the mouse. Sensitivity should be equal for the mouse and the DS3. We must make the possibility for CO regulation sensitivity and streyfe of sight, maybe then it will be easier to all. omg, write it in russian plz, i will translate for you xD its terrible even for my level of english xD
dalt ud Vacuum Cleaner. LLC RUST415 106	Posted - 2013.05.12 13:29:00 - [13] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: dalt ud wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: dalt ud wrote: Khan Hun wrote: I do feel for you DS3 users though, I don't want an advantage at all, I just want a game I can enjoy. I want it too bro. CCP must resolve this problem somehow Ban the DS3. Ok, lets do it. You will play alone then Automatic win. Best in the world. as you wish
dalt ud Vacuum Cleaner. LLC RUST415 106	Posted - 2013.05.12 18:24:00 - [14] - Quote Doshneil Antaro wrote: The kb/m is supported by the ps3, as well as a variety of other periphials. It is up to to the game developers to decide which ones are supported for there game. Both the kb/m and controler have there advantages, yet sixaxis users seem to ignore theres and demand removal of the kb/m. You dont hear kb/m asking to fix the the advantages the controller has over them. All periphials work different and change the way the game is played. Get over it already, and learn to use your periphal of choice advantage over the others. Ok, i played network shooters on PC since 1999 year, and play PS3's shooters since 2007 year. And i tried kbm in dust514. So tell me about my advantage vs kbm (on chromosome). Why its so easy to aim on any distance with kbm, why it so easy in tank. kbm without limitation better in all circumstances. In some slighty better, in most - much more better. We dont hear about ds3 advantages coz it not exist. I doubt you even tried play with ds3. I mean not noobs with kbm, i mean best players, they always better coz easy type of controls.
dalt ud Vacuum Cleaner. LLC RUST415 270	Posted - 2013.07.28 20:34:00 - [15] - Quote I had a break with dust, and played bf3 and bad company 2 a lot. today i checked dust 514, and inputlag still there Game is much better than uprising 1.0 and 1.1, but if compare it with games where absolutely no problems with controls - dust 514 controls still in bad. condition. Will i back again after one more month for having good controls? Seems like good solution dont play this game while it still bad.