So does this mean that if I want to start enjoying the game, that I have to use a mouse until the Sony Controllers get their fix? Do you have a ETA on the Sony Controller fix? that is the controller most players use anyways.

Come on guys. Try to play other FPS games on computer or PS3 over the weekend.

Wolfman I'll send you a pack of beer if I'm wrong on this. Your accelleration on the Mouse and DS3 is backwards. It's that simple.

Snippet from my other post:

Take a mouse. Try to make fine movements with sensitivity at 100. Nearly impossible. Now slowly move your mouse from one side of the pad from the other. You'll do a number of 360's. Now try again but much faster this time. You will notice the number of 360's drop. No wonder no one can aim or GTFO. *edit* This is the source of the perceived "input lag" it's not lag at all, just backwards accelleration. *edit*

Take DS3. Try to make fine turns from say 0-60% range on the analog stick. You notice the turn speed is pretty constant. You have to move your finger only MMs to make fine movement. That is hard to do. Now snap from 0-100%. You can visually see you turn slow for about a second or so before the accelleration kicks in. In reality you want that second or so to ramp up in between 0-60% so you can make that fine aim. Then you want the 60-100% range snap to speed instantly. Now you can GTFO.


https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=74613&p=11

*EDIT* forgot to add that the hotfix didn't fix the issue. Not even sure it masked it. I give up until the next input hotfix.

Ive got an idea, maybe like make them identical, then they are fixed ?

Just tried it, adjusting from 20 ingame sense to 30 is like x200

Ive reset my mouse back to its chromosone values and i cannot track a moving target body, before Uprising i could track the head of a moving target.

Ive tried 1k DPI, 1.5, 2 and from 2.5k upward things get really awkward and i still had to adjust seperate DPI values for each axis or i would be aiming in a oval instead of a circle.

I dont get it, what was wrong with chromosone ?

Edit: seriously why is Sense 20 more sensetive then 40,50,60,70,80,90,100?????????

Shouldn't you guys be worring about the PS3 controller first? Since we're are in fact playing on a Playstation which makes it safe to say the majority of Dust players are using PS3 Controllers rather than Keyboard & Mouse. Just a way to satisfy more people, quicker.

YES we are supporting keyboard and mouse in Unreal Tournament 3 on PS3. He is confident we are doing it in a way that will be balanced without feeling "gimped" for either side.

Maybe mouse users shouldnt be playing a game on the PS3 anyway... I have no sympathy for mouse users. If you guys got good controls, the game would be broken and unfair for DS3 users. Console games should be played from the comfort of a couch, with a controller and a beer.

This is just factually wrong. There is a reason console UIs are WAY different then PC UI. Even in non twitch senstive gaming. The reason is, mouse can do percise input a LOT better than a joy stick. That ability translates to being able to put and keep a cursor on a target a lot easier. Thats just facts.

In DUST, right now, mouse users DONT have that advantage cause their controls suck. If they fix those controls, then that advantage would be there. Go ahead, claim Im bad, whatever. I know my skill. I also know facts, and the simple fact that everyone who isnt blind by love of KB/M knows is that KB/M provides more percise, easier aim. Thats why games like COD and BF3 and Halo all have strong sticky aim where PC shooters dont.

Last build aiming was fine with a mouse, now it's just plain bad even after the patch. Why did you mess something up that's baked in already in unreal 3? I don't understand this at all, it's native.

It's seems like your trying to emulate a joystick with the mouse now, because the movements on screen don't correlate to my movements.

i bet when they tweek DS3 the KB/M users will complain there controls suck or dont work

Control system: Mouse logitech G3


For Dust to be a long-haul game that grows and people continue to play the core gameplay must be fun, unlocking XYZ wont keep people very long if the actual game itself isn't enjoyable.

Right now, due almost entirely to changing something that worked fine before, it simply isn't fun. I'm playing it, because I want my skill points and to learn the new skills/gear so when you fix it I wont have lost out, but if it doesn't get fixed I and I'm sure a lot of others will drift away.


I cant really tell you whats wrong. but I can give you these observations I've made

-The hot fix helped a bit, it went from throwing the PS3 out a window frustrating to what it is now- gritted teeth until the SP cap is reached annoying.

-before uprising it felt like I was connected to the game, it was fun. Now it feels like I'm connected to a lever, that connects to a chicken, who has his own joystick, which is connected to a PS3. I have no idea what the little fella is doing, but I know I want to throttle him.

-The sensitivity normally is very high and jerky, the sensitivity when I aim down sights is slow and sluggish. Aiming down sights I go from a 16 year old after 15 cans of redbull and speed to a 65 year old guy with a prosthetic arm.



I cannot stress enough how important the basic act of shooting someone is, if it feels good and fun (like it did) dust will be fine. If it stays how it is now.. anything else you do, no matter how good, will only give people a reason to grit their teeth and try and ignore the control system for another week to try it out, then they'll leave.

DS3 user here...

Was mouse and keyboard really advantageous enough to warrant the change to aiming?

I can understand problems like faster strafing or tanks being faster when using a keyboard... Yeah, that needed tweaking, but aiming was okay as far as i can tell anyways.. Both were fun and worked just fine. Yes, one is inherently superior, but superior aim is such a small variable unless you're a sniper. There's gear, there's your team, there's your positioning, there's your SP.

Everything seemed okay.

In regards to rotation speeds- they aren't there to gimp mouse/keyboard, they're just there to balance the suits or at least that was the original explanation anyways. I remember because I normally like my senstivity very high. (I had my sensitivity at 0-0 in chromo to keep my turning consistent because of the rotation speed, it was annoying but I got over it and had to deal with it)

Mouse is inherently superior to a controller, there's no way around that. This new control style just ruins both I think.

THIS is still an issue. I hope they'll fix it at least on 5/14

Now, again, we have tons of people chiming in with more solutions in search of a problem. Cap it this way, gimp it that way, separate the the gun crosshair from the viewport! That's a lot of code whose only purpose is to attack people who choose a certain input device.

Much like other whining posts, these posts miss the obvious truth: If X is clearly superior, everybody would be using X.

Keyboards and mice combos can be had for $20 dollars, and everyone's PS3 has USB ports. So why aren't more people using this little "I Win" button?

But furthermore, assuming the KB/M is a superior controller choice(many top players would disagree), why punish the player who wants to work hard and master it?

This is just another example of people who don't want to put effort in the game trying to cripple those who want to improve their performance.

The real solution for this is to give players a proper control panel for input. Acceleration curves, joystick deadzones, bindings, turn speed, etc. Let everyone customize their own variables to maximize their effectiveness with their controller choice.

Any other solution will just result in more attempts by CCP to tweak the controls on the behalf of players, and more threads in response to the changes because, surprise, one size does not fit all.

DS3 user. 40/30 AA On.

The new version feels just as bad as the old version to be perfectly honest. I noticed no changes whatsoever when I played today. I think I'm going to redownload the game tonight and see if it helps at all.

If that doesn't work though, can't we at least get an option to use Chromosome's aiming system? Because this is teetering on the brink of unplayable and I know a lot of people feel the exact same way.

Im using the DS3 for controls, and man this game just feels off to me. It feels slow and draggy no matter the sensitivity I am on.

Is there some trick, or setting I can change to get this to feel better?

Avatar movement is quite mushy in the current build, and aiming with the controller is an exercise in frustration. I did see some improvement toward the end of my six hours, but I can't honestly use the word fun to describe the experience.

Cons:
Dated presentation/visualsSloppy, imprecise shooter controls, Inadequate keyboard/mouse support, Future potential tied to-áEVE Online

*We have a fix for a bug that prevented updated MKB sensitivity settings being read by the game. This means (once fixed) that the sensitivity spikes you have been experiencing on certain settings will be gone. It also means you will be playing with the correct settings which you have not been up until this point due to the bug. We hope to get this update to you in around a week. We will continue to make further improvements after that point and we will be looking forward to getting more feedback (and acting on it) once the update is out. In the meantime we will continue internal testing and let you know when you can expect us to roll out any new updates.

Cheers

CCP Wolfman

*We have a fix for a bug that prevented updated MKB sensitivity settings being read by the game. This means (once fixed) that the sensitivity spikes you have been experiencing on certain settings will be gone. It also means you will be playing with the correct settings which you have not been up until this point due to the bug. We hope to get this update to you in around a week. We will continue to make further improvements after that point and we will be looking forward to getting more feedback (and acting on it) once the update is out. In the meantime we will continue internal testing and let you know when you can expect us to roll out any new updates.-áCheers CCP Wolfman

PLEASE for the love of my sanity and your game fix this awful aiming.

It feels like I'm stirring custard with a piece of soggy cardboard.


It was fine how it was before. KB/M now.. I'm seriously considering giving up. I have a holiday next week, if its not fixed when I go back to work I very much doubt I'll make the time to play. I know.. tears no one cares.. but I care, and so should you if you want to keep players.


The stupid thing is I can still come top 3 most games by adapting to holding the mouse still and straff-aiming and so on, but all the fun has been drained out of the game.

So has CCP completely given up on fixing the DS3 or what? I noticed in the 1.1 notes that yet another change was made to the mouse aiming yet not to DS3. The DS3 aiming still sucks, let's go here CCP.

For the last time the Kb/m fix was to the sensitivity slider bar only. It was not an aiming mechanic fix, so rest assured, no one is "having fun any longer"

Agreed, I'm amazed the forums aren't exploding with this - but its also a console game so.....

A diffrent set of sliders for Ads and Hipfire would be greatly appreciated but i dont see that happening before pig learn to fly.

Well i dont think they have issues flying, its the landing thats gonna need the most work. so yeah :/

Hey Wolfman, how about this? Remove all the changes made to DS3 aiming on Uprising and leave it at the same state it was on Chromosome build.


Does a post really require 25+ random likes in order to make things happen?

No reply at all in this thread for 2 weeks+....

I am done with Dust until its aiming & fps issues are fixed, armed with 6x Omega Boosters, 3x regular and 4x active boosters youll find me occasionally in the MCC every week to top of my points.

Ill be back at making 1.2b isk in eve every evening instead of a few million down here.

Cya when its fixed guys!

Ill have to try that radial menu out tonight then, ive not been able to get my equipment out since the Uprising Patch on may 6...it kept acting like it was using the joystick from the DS3 and it keeps defauling to my SMG.

Seeing that almost noone posts in this thread anymore most of the KBM users have either given up on a fix or quit, i havent played a single match in the last 2 weeks and to think i was sick of chromosone and couldnt wait for Uprising to hit the updater.

Wish i knew back then what i know now.