DUST Search - Sticky:Aiming and control system in general

dalt ud wrote:

Indy Strizer wrote:

dalt ud wrote:

Indy Strizer wrote:

If CCP is really worried about DS3 users and wants to hold their hands, then just improve auto-aim. That's what it is there for, don't ruin the aim of players who actually want to enjoy aiming!

why not "press to win" button? I want use my skill, not aim bot. So only way is limitation of kbm to level of ds3, or disabling kbm at all. Why 15% of players have advantage and dare to demand keep it?

First... You don't have to use auto-aim.

Second... You say you want to limit keyboard and mouse to the level of DS3... but, what exactly is the level of the DS3? Do you really think it's terrible enough to deserve this set-up... and if you do, then why even use a controller that you think is such a low level piece of hardware?

Third... They can't truly limit keyboard and mouse itself, they've only only limited their ability to aim. Why in the world would anyone want that? FPS players want to be able to aim, let the people who can't or don't care about aiming have their auto-aim while everybody else can enjoy the game.

1. More aim assist - less skill for playing. Aim-bot its maximum on this way.

2. I tried kbm in chromosome, i did can aim twice faster than with ds3, and i had x3-4 turning speed. As minimum turning speed must be limited. CCP made the overall speed of the game slower, so if i have controls for kbm like in chromosome - i am headshot god in Uprising. Thats not fair at all. And other side of kbm - its provide macroses.... one more reason to disable mouse support.

3. Yes, i have no fun to make anyone unhappy, but most of players play with ds3, why 15% of players must have advantage? And improving aim assist is not best choise. Maybe in complex solution a little improved aim assist will not bad. So its dilemma. And CCP must make choise or find way to balance.


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Indy Strizer Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 84	Posted - 2013.05.11 10:20:00 - [1] - Quote I use the DS3. I prefer chromosome's aiming.
Indy Strizer Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 85	Posted - 2013.05.11 11:29:00 - [2] - Quote DS3 user here... Was mouse and keyboard really advantageous enough to warrant the change to aiming? I can understand problems like faster strafing or tanks being faster when using a keyboard... Yeah, that needed tweaking, but aiming was okay as far as i can tell anyways.. Both were fun and worked just fine. Yes, one is inherently superior, but superior aim is such a small variable unless you're a sniper. There's gear, there's your team, there's your positioning, there's your SP. Everything seemed okay. In regards to rotation speeds- they aren't there to gimp mouse/keyboard, they're just there to balance the suits or at least that was the original explanation anyways. I remember because I normally like my senstivity very high. (I had my sensitivity at 0-0 in chromo to keep my turning consistent because of the rotation speed, it was annoying but I got over it and had to deal with it) Mouse is inherently superior to a controller, there's no way around that. This new control style just ruins both I think.
Indy Strizer Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 88	Posted - 2013.05.12 08:45:00 - [3] - Quote I use DS3. I prefer Chromosome's aiming and I'll explain why... During the Chromosome build, many of the players in my corporation used the DS3. My corporation, Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz, is perceived to be one of the better corps by other players. I recognize players here who were not good during Chromosome despite using mouse and keyboard, no offense to anyone. Players do not automatically player better because they use mouse and keyboard, let alone win. It was good in Chromosome and here's why... Mouse and key board users were unable to instantly turn backwards and head shot DS3 players in Chromosome because of the rotation limit. Even if they do manage to turn around and confront their enemy, the head shot damage doesn't seem be enough to negate the initial flank. Strafe speed is slower so it's hard to miss, even for a DS3 user. It was already balanced in Chromosome. Anybody who complained otherwise is terrible at aiming. Yes, the DS3 is now equal to mouse and keyboard, but only because they have been sabotaged. Turning and aiming are two different things. Limiting turn speed is an understandable game mechanic to ensure flanking is still useful, otherwise skilled players would simply spin around and kill their enemies way too easily and it would negate tactical gameplay... but, sabotaging aiming is not an understandable game mechanic. FPS games are all about aiming and shooting, FPS players should get the best controls without input lag or any of that nonsense. If CCP is really worried about DS3 users and wants to hold their hands, then just improve auto-aim. That's what it is there for, don't ruin the aim of players who actually want to enjoy aiming!
Indy Strizer Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 89	Posted - 2013.05.12 09:31:00 - [4] - Quote dalt ud wrote: Indy Strizer wrote: If CCP is really worried about DS3 users and wants to hold their hands, then just improve auto-aim. That's what it is there for, don't ruin the aim of players who actually want to enjoy aiming! why not "press to win" button? I want use my skill, not aim bot. So only way is limitation of kbm to level of ds3, or disabling kbm at all. Why 15% of players have advantage and dare to demand keep it? First... You don't have to use auto-aim. Second... You say you want to limit keyboard and mouse to the level of DS3... but, what exactly is the level of the DS3? Do you really think it's terrible enough to deserve this set-up... and if you do, then why even use a controller that you think is such a low level piece of hardware? Third... They can't truly limit keyboard and mouse itself, they've only only limited their ability to aim. Why in the world would anyone want that? FPS players want to be able to aim, let the people who can't or don't care about aiming have their auto-aim while everybody else can enjoy the game.
Indy Strizer Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 89	Posted - 2013.05.12 10:25:00 - [5] - Quote dalt ud wrote: Indy Strizer wrote: dalt ud wrote: Indy Strizer wrote: If CCP is really worried about DS3 users and wants to hold their hands, then just improve auto-aim. That's what it is there for, don't ruin the aim of players who actually want to enjoy aiming! why not "press to win" button? I want use my skill, not aim bot. So only way is limitation of kbm to level of ds3, or disabling kbm at all. Why 15% of players have advantage and dare to demand keep it? First... You don't have to use auto-aim. Second... You say you want to limit keyboard and mouse to the level of DS3... but, what exactly is the level of the DS3? Do you really think it's terrible enough to deserve this set-up... and if you do, then why even use a controller that you think is such a low level piece of hardware? Third... They can't truly limit keyboard and mouse itself, they've only only limited their ability to aim. Why in the world would anyone want that? FPS players want to be able to aim, let the people who can't or don't care about aiming have their auto-aim while everybody else can enjoy the game. 1. More aim assist - less skill for playing. Aim-bot its maximum on this way. 2. I tried kbm in chromosome, i did can aim twice faster than with ds3, and i had x3-4 turning speed. As minimum turning speed must be limited. CCP made the overall speed of the game slower, so if i have controls for kbm like in chromosome - i am headshot god in Uprising. Thats not fair at all. And other side of kbm - its provide macroses.... one more reason to disable mouse support. 3. Yes, i have no fun to make anyone unhappy, but most of players play with ds3, why 15% of players must have advantage? And improving aim assist is not best choise. Maybe in complex solution a little improved aim assist will not bad. So its dilemma. And CCP must make choise or find way to balance. 1. I agree, the auto-aim should not be too strong. Otherwise this isn't a game anymore, it just becomes some interactive software. This game is already catering to newer players, maybe they can disable these types of things in null sec or something can be worked out. 2. I tried it too, I know what you're saying. Tanks were faster and so was target acquisition. Personally I think they were premature in promising mouse and keyboard support along with some other promises, they didn't understand that the game experience extends to the controller on a console much like a nintendo wii game and a wii-mote. It's already been promised and I don't think they have any intention of going back on that promise so mice and keyboards are here to stay. 3. That question can be flipped, why must 15% of players have their aim ruined? Improving aim assist lets people who want to challenge themselves to aim while catering to the people who can't. That''s what CCP is trying to accomplish right?
Indy Strizer Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 89	Posted - 2013.05.12 10:54:00 - [6] - Quote dalt ud wrote: Disabling mouse - will ruin their game, i agree. But i dont want to play vs corps of experienced kbm users - i cant win them coz controller advantage only. Its easy to gather them in one domination battle team. Better aim alone doesn't win corp battles. I'm sure CCP can adjust things in the game without ruining the aim of everybody else. dalt ud wrote: It definitely ruin my game, i see no rreason for playing in game where i have no chances to win. And all ds3 users understand it too. You're exaggerating... You do have a chance to win. I use the DS3 and I win. I can't tell who is using keyboard and mouse and who isn't and I suspect other players can't either. I only worry about who is good and who is not, but with the way things are now... Everybody might as well be terrible shots... dalt ud wrote: One way to make game equal for all - one type of controller. Let it be kbm, so i leave this game for ever. Or let it be ds3 - kbm users will buy emulators, anyway they wanna easy way. But emulators have some limitations too, it will more fair for all than current situation. Yeah, that's one way. Here's another way- get a keyboard and mouse for yourself. Instead of bringing down others, just try to get better. Personally, I've always thought that the controller is part of the game, but it's a moot point now. Keyboard and mouse is here to stay, it's already in, it's been promised.
Indy Strizer Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 89	Posted - 2013.05.12 11:18:00 - [7] - Quote dalt ud wrote: Indy Strizer wrote: Better aim alone doesn't win corp battles. You are joking? In FPS it always win battles. ALWAYS. Tactic work if aiming and shooting skills is equal. So first factor is aiming and shooting skills, secondary factor - tactical skills. Yes, first factor is better aim so why ruin it with these settings? As for the second factor, that's totally different from aim. You act like mouse and keyboard is unstoppable or it's magic or it will instantly negate tactics, it does not. I don't see players shooting grenades in the air as they're thrown. I don't see players spinning around and instantly head shotting snipers in the mountains with super precise accuracy while they're hacking. I don't see players shooting into the barrels of tank turrets and blowing them up while doing 360 bunny hop flips. Now that I think about it, all these things sound awesome! Bring on the OP mouse and keyboards.
Indy Strizer Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 89	Posted - 2013.05.12 11:20:00 - [8] - Quote dalt ud wrote: Maybe will work something like it: 24vs24 is corp battle 30% of each team allow to be kbm users, 70% of each team ds3 users. So each team have 8 slots for mouse users and 16 slots for ds3 users. Ds3 users can occupy kbm slots if they want. Kbm users cannot occupy ds3 slot at all. And it will fair enough, coz prevent stacking of kbm users. Now I know you're just messing with me...