I play both games. I think a certain amountnof similarity is good.

That said I agree that ranges may seem silly but they make sense in game and in lore.

Ballistic weapons should have no hard cap range (outside of you know the distance a bullet can travel before its kinetic energy is spent) but a certain range that does optimal damage.

Plasma weapons depending on type should have a hard range but do more damage at all of its ranges.

Lasers weapons should have no range but again only truly effective at certain ranges.

Missiles are missiles and have to have a range cap in regards to fuel carried but should have no optimal range as well they are missiles and will blow up the same no matter how far they travel (unless you want to account for unspent fuel)

THIS is what I like about dust the options that should exist. Not just one size fits all cod style mechanics.

On a strangely related note playing dust has made me better at cod and bf3...

Its really a damn shame that you go making valid points and all the EVE fanboys can say is "Durr hurr go back to CoD"

They should have just made this all spreadsheets and have battles autoplay with no player input since it seems thats what they want

Ugh, I absolutely hate having to use it as an example but CoD does allow you to customize and and advance your character through the perk system and perks can even have their effectiveness increased through gameplay, and weapon selection and add ons add another little layer of customization
MGO also had a nice robust skill system where skills increased through use and not point spending but that was third and not first person
Ive said this in other threads and Ill say it again here, skill system can work in FPS games if they are well implemented but what we have now is not well implemented mostly due to CCP courting the EVE fanboys to much
Hell Ive seen some of them go on about how they bought a PS3 solely for this game and solely because CCP made it, and you do not listen to overly devoted brown nosers like that

How am I supposed to not focus on what the primary gameplay should be?
You can have a perfectly fine and deep experience by starting with the FPS mechanics and then building a skill system to fit them, lots of other games do this and it works well
The problem is CCP took the skill system first and are trying to build the FPS mechanics around it and the skill system is not compatible with this game genre, its full of dead zones and SP sinks
Now if they are truly dedicated to it which all signs point to them being then the system needs several nodes pruned off and costs drastically reduced
The common argument against that is "You should invest time to be good at something" which is all well and good for an RPG but not an action game, being good at something here is based on actual game playing experience

Someone I saw around here said the system needs to be wide and not deep and he was spot on

As for OP suits and skills and what have you seeing someone running full proto doesnt bother me to much unless I get the drop on them, empty a clip from a GEK into their back and they still somehow survive and manage to get me while Im reloading
And FYI to anyone reading that guy was a heavy so stop crying about how heavies die too quickly

What makes you think your opinion is worth any more than someone who bought a PS3 for Dust? Your overinflated sense of self worth isn't any different than what I see often on the EVE forums.

AHAHAHAHAHA tell me what shooters have you played, tell me all of them, I ******* god damn guarantee I have played more shooters then you and know a **** load more what makes a good shooter. Yet here I ******* stand asking for Actual roles on the battle field asking that things be more eve like why?? Because I've played every other kind of shooter imaginable and this is the first one in years that hasn't been absolute boring crap or the tenth iteration of the same ******* game(sorry UT I love you but the only reason to play you any more is the mod community). Dust has actual potential but not by dumbing it down to the point that every fight is the same as the last, which is where its been heading and exactly where the eve community is trying to keep it from. As to using a RNG to determine where a bullet is going you realize that any game worth a damn has some mixture of kick/dispersion on its weapons and uses RNGs to figure out where the bullets are going with in that accuracy.

Now that said dust is having problems with becoming a AAA quality shooter but that has more to do with not knowing what type of shooter it is(that and having a vision that is hard to squeeze onto the PS3). The biggest problem I see is that the devs instinctively know that the game can't be a twitch shooter to work as intended, but don't want to, are not able, or just don't know to, go the path of quake and UT. Frankley I'm a little concerned dust has gone into release and has not settled into what kind of shooter it wants to be, and while this is not always a bad thing , dust straddles a unique piece of hell, that has so far proven to make for a very uncomfortable gameplay, and is a nightmare to balance. Still I'm hoping that dust will find its place.

True but I dont think any class should be able to take an entire clip from a primary weapon, a simple 1.5 or maybe 2X bonus to back attacks would sort all that out though

Let me lay out the entire situation for you since a lot of what you are talking about is stuff I did
My play style usually has me creeping along walls and corners to get the drop on someone, I did this near an objective away from the front line and found a heavy picking his nose so I approach from behind and at about 25m I open fire and empty a clip into his back, keep my distance while trying to reload and get gunned down since by now hes managed to turn around and open fire
Now from this scenario you can observe one of two things
That A that enough gear and SP can overcompensate for actual playing skill and keep someone alive even in a situation where the enemy is playing smart and you are caught unaware
Or B that the game is just mechanically broken and even having the enemy square in your sights is no real indicator of whether you will hit them or not

Now to me both of those options are unacceptable, if I were being a dumb Rambo and charging this guy head on my dying would have been perfectly acceptable and completely my fault but thats not the case


Oh, one last bit thats not for you but for anyone that feels like piping in, I was using a GEK not a militia rifle which makes the situation all the more unreasonable

Well, you can't really blame Eve players for doing that. Remember one important thing: Dust players are encroaching into the 10-year-old harsh world of New Eden. A world that Eve players created with their own blood, sweat and tears. As a result, they have developed a very strong bond with the New Eden they created and thus feel threatened by this encroachment of console players into the world they created and perfected. So it's only natural that they try to maintain certain play styles that stay true to the core of New Eden.

Adapt or Die.
Don't use what you can't afford to lose.
Scamming is legit.
etc.
etc.

But you are correct that Eve players shouldn't be telling console players how to play.

Here is something that players on both sides of the fence have to remember. New Eden is an entirely different world. Eve Online is not like any other MMO out there. There is no other MMO with an equally strong economy and such a dynamic and living culture that is so strong we even took meta gaming to a whole new level. Dust is also a game like no other in which we will one day have the same luxuries if we work together hard enough for it.

The MMO part is in the making. You'll just have to wait just like we always have. Hell, we Eve players have been waiting for the damn door to open since 2011.

Edit: Bah, forum ate the post and put up nothing

Going to drastically cut down what I said but the difference between militia and gek is more than a point and a half of damage, its also clip size
From my math a full clip from the Gek factoring the blanket bonus, bonus from the 3 basic weapon damage mods I was using at the time, and the 90% effectiveness against armor I get 2000 points of damage and thats if he was only wearing armor obviously it changes when you factor in his shields but Im feeling lazy for that

Now like I said before this shows that A the skill and gear system is compensating to much to keep crappy players alive or B the games mechanics are broken in a way that we cant even be sure if keeping an unmoving enemy in our sights and unloading on them will kill them or not and both of those things are unacceptable

And since you want to keep bringing up DnD its like rolling a 20 on a sneak attack against a goblin standing around scratching his ass but dying when he somehow manages to survive


Oh one final thing thats somewhat related but weapon change speed really needs to be adjusted so switching to certain weapons is faster based on size IE changing from a rifle to a pistol is faster than changing from a pistol to a rifle

Also also feel free to correct my math if I was wrong