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Delta 749 wrote:

Buster Friently wrote:

Delta 749 wrote:

Cosgar wrote:

Delta 749 wrote:

Its really a damn shame that you go making valid points and all the EVE fanboys can say is "Durr hurr go back to CoD"

They should have just made this all spreadsheets and have battles autoplay with no player input since it seems thats what they want

What are you talking about? I've been playing FPS since Doom95 and my RPG background dates back to pen-and-paper Shadowrun. There's a lot of disconnect between combining competitive FPS gameplay with an RPG character customizing system and there's a lot of butthurt and epeen on both ends. Both sides need to stop pointing fingers and deal with the fact that CCP isn't going to fully cater to either side's preference no matter how much opposing sides want it to.
There's never going to be a middle ground between both genre that both sides are going to fully agree, but we both need to embrace what the other side has to offer. How many FPS out there actually allow you to fully customize your character to your specific preferences in play style like Dust 514 allows you to? And how many MMORPG actually have a multiplayer experience this intense? Both genre have something to offer to reinforce the weaknesses of the other and I think CCP is doing a pretty good job of finding that middle ground. Having Dust 514 as a modern FPS with a placebo spread sheet doesn't accomplish anything and turning it into a MUD isn't going to either for the sake of having a large playerbase. We're all going to have to accept that we can't have our way and play nicely, shooting each other in the face 5-20 minutes at a time between spreadsheets.

Ugh, I absolutely hate having to use it as an example but CoD does allow you to customize and and advance your character through the perk system and perks can even have their effectiveness increased through gameplay, and weapon selection and add ons add another little layer of customization
MGO also had a nice robust skill system where skills increased through use and not point spending but that was third and not first person
Ive said this in other threads and Ill say it again here, skill system can work in FPS games if they are well implemented but what we have now is not well implemented mostly due to CCP courting the EVE fanboys to much
Hell Ive seen some of them go on about how they bought a PS3 solely for this game and solely because CCP made it, and you do not listen to overly devoted brown nosers like that

What makes you think your opinion is worth any more than someone who bought a PS3 for Dust? Your overinflated sense of self worth isn't any different than what I see often on the EVE forums.

Because Im coming at this from the viewpoint of an unbiased consumer, not someone thats dropped a few hundred dollars and needs to convince themselves that money wasnt a waste
Would I like to see this game do well? Of course, more good games is always a plus, but Im not going to let that blind me to the state of the game


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Buster Friently Rosen Association 429	Posted - 2013.05.14 02:25:00 - [1] - Quote Delta 749 wrote: Cosgar wrote: Delta 749 wrote: Its really a damn shame that you go making valid points and all the EVE fanboys can say is "Durr hurr go back to CoD" They should have just made this all spreadsheets and have battles autoplay with no player input since it seems thats what they want What are you talking about? I've been playing FPS since Doom95 and my RPG background dates back to pen-and-paper Shadowrun. There's a lot of disconnect between combining competitive FPS gameplay with an RPG character customizing system and there's a lot of butthurt and epeen on both ends. Both sides need to stop pointing fingers and deal with the fact that CCP isn't going to fully cater to either side's preference no matter how much opposing sides want it to. There's never going to be a middle ground between both genre that both sides are going to fully agree, but we both need to embrace what the other side has to offer. How many FPS out there actually allow you to fully customize your character to your specific preferences in play style like Dust 514 allows you to? And how many MMORPG actually have a multiplayer experience this intense? Both genre have something to offer to reinforce the weaknesses of the other and I think CCP is doing a pretty good job of finding that middle ground. Having Dust 514 as a modern FPS with a placebo spread sheet doesn't accomplish anything and turning it into a MUD isn't going to either for the sake of having a large playerbase. We're all going to have to accept that we can't have our way and play nicely, shooting each other in the face 5-20 minutes at a time between spreadsheets. Ugh, I absolutely hate having to use it as an example but CoD does allow you to customize and and advance your character through the perk system and perks can even have their effectiveness increased through gameplay, and weapon selection and add ons add another little layer of customization MGO also had a nice robust skill system where skills increased through use and not point spending but that was third and not first person Ive said this in other threads and Ill say it again here, skill system can work in FPS games if they are well implemented but what we have now is not well implemented mostly due to CCP courting the EVE fanboys to much Hell Ive seen some of them go on about how they bought a PS3 solely for this game and solely because CCP made it, and you do not listen to overly devoted brown nosers like that What makes you think your opinion is worth any more than someone who bought a PS3 for Dust? Your overinflated sense of self worth isn't any different than what I see often on the EVE forums.
Buster Friently Rosen Association 430	Posted - 2013.05.14 04:28:00 - [2] - Quote Delta 749 wrote: Buster Friently wrote: Delta 749 wrote: Cosgar wrote: Delta 749 wrote: Its really a damn shame that you go making valid points and all the EVE fanboys can say is "Durr hurr go back to CoD" They should have just made this all spreadsheets and have battles autoplay with no player input since it seems thats what they want What are you talking about? I've been playing FPS since Doom95 and my RPG background dates back to pen-and-paper Shadowrun. There's a lot of disconnect between combining competitive FPS gameplay with an RPG character customizing system and there's a lot of butthurt and epeen on both ends. Both sides need to stop pointing fingers and deal with the fact that CCP isn't going to fully cater to either side's preference no matter how much opposing sides want it to. There's never going to be a middle ground between both genre that both sides are going to fully agree, but we both need to embrace what the other side has to offer. How many FPS out there actually allow you to fully customize your character to your specific preferences in play style like Dust 514 allows you to? And how many MMORPG actually have a multiplayer experience this intense? Both genre have something to offer to reinforce the weaknesses of the other and I think CCP is doing a pretty good job of finding that middle ground. Having Dust 514 as a modern FPS with a placebo spread sheet doesn't accomplish anything and turning it into a MUD isn't going to either for the sake of having a large playerbase. We're all going to have to accept that we can't have our way and play nicely, shooting each other in the face 5-20 minutes at a time between spreadsheets. Ugh, I absolutely hate having to use it as an example but CoD does allow you to customize and and advance your character through the perk system and perks can even have their effectiveness increased through gameplay, and weapon selection and add ons add another little layer of customization MGO also had a nice robust skill system where skills increased through use and not point spending but that was third and not first person Ive said this in other threads and Ill say it again here, skill system can work in FPS games if they are well implemented but what we have now is not well implemented mostly due to CCP courting the EVE fanboys to much Hell Ive seen some of them go on about how they bought a PS3 solely for this game and solely because CCP made it, and you do not listen to overly devoted brown nosers like that What makes you think your opinion is worth any more than someone who bought a PS3 for Dust? Your overinflated sense of self worth isn't any different than what I see often on the EVE forums. Because Im coming at this from the viewpoint of an unbiased consumer, not someone thats dropped a few hundred dollars and needs to convince themselves that money wasnt a waste Would I like to see this game do well? Of course, more good games is always a plus, but Im not going to let that blind me to the state of the game You know, just playing Devil's Advocate here, but I kinda think, from a business standpoint, that CCP should cater to those who pay, right? Otherwise they go out of business. All this talk of reducing the SP costs, etc. make me kinda laugh.