DUST Search - Community question: Gameplay or graphics?

Jeremiah ambromot wrote:

Just wanted to bring this to some people's attention.

"CCP LaFerrari" wrote:

#9Posted: 2013.05.10 01:54 | Report
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Appia Vibbia wrote:
seriously, please tell me this was a huge mistake. there is a maximum distance I can see character models away from. It changes depending on what type of weapon I have equipped. Different sniper zooms let you see further, but even the Thale's has a limit.

Hi,

Thank you for the feedback. I believe what you're experiencing is the side effect of an optimization we did in Uprising.

The optimization is about only simulating the characters within certain distance around your local player, which is a very common technique for games that have large maps. The view distance is partially tied to the weapon the player is using since for instance players using an assault rifle don't need to see as far as snipers.

I'll talk to the relevant devs about this. In the meantime, can you guys provide a list of weapons that are most annoying?
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https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=74777

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EnIgMa99 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 299	Posted - 2013.05.09 20:37:00 - [1] - Quote So here is the deal. Everything looks nice and shiny up close. CCP closes the engagement ranges for the guns including the sniper rifle so that fire fights are tighter more compact and closer. CCP's thinking is that when people are so far away they cant do damage to you and are not even rendered. That saves resources but hamstrings core gameplay. I would rather have rock solid 8v8 gameplay where guns shoot people and people are rendered versus pretty graphics and only people who are close to you are rendered with 16v16 battles where guns sometimes don't shoot people or you can walk outside of there range or where invisible unrendred people can take pot shots at you. So what is it community? light flares and slightly more detailed shadows? or being able to shoot people at better ranges and having everyone visible at any given point in the battle.
mott royon Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 6	Posted - 2013.05.09 20:54:00 - [2] - Quote Gameplay. Give me back chromosome graphics and add on the new gear would have been better than this.
Maximus Stryker Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 448	Posted - 2013.05.09 20:55:00 - [3] - Quote graphics are here to stay and gameplay will improve over time.
Nstomper The Sangheli 394	Posted - 2013.05.09 20:58:00 - [4] - Quote Both gameplay and good graphics
5aEKUXeRJGJ27kCDnDVYak5q Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 83	Posted - 2013.05.09 20:59:00 - [5] - Quote Gameplay... My framerate is stupid low Can't do anything Enemy up close = Powerpoint 514
ZiwZih The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION 130	Posted - 2013.05.09 21:01:00 - [6] - Quote Function > Forma
5aEKUXeRJGJ27kCDnDVYak5q Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 83	Posted - 2013.05.09 21:05:00 - [7] - Quote Form follows function If the base FPS gameplay is not there (good framerate good aiming battle) no amount of "dress up" graphics will save the GAME yes it's a game first, and eye candy second.
XiBravo TeamPlayers EoN. 11	Posted - 2013.05.09 21:10:00 - [8] - Quote Gameplay > Balance > customization > chicken salad > graphics
Mordan Otomo ROGUE SPADES EoN. 0	Posted - 2013.05.09 21:24:00 - [9] - Quote XiBravo wrote: Gameplay > Balance > customization > bbq chicken sandwich > graphics Fixed, but +1 for a bro.
The dark cloud Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1377	Posted - 2013.05.09 21:26:00 - [10] - Quote Fancy graphics are useless if you cant even hit the broadside of a barn.

EnIgMa99 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 310	Posted - 2013.05.15 13:08:00 - [11] - Quote Enemies are still invisible guys, I don't think CCP will change it either since you know it saves 5 frames with there new lens flares.
bolsh lee Ahrendee Mercenaries 136	Posted - 2013.05.15 13:12:00 - [12] - Quote If CCP fixes (or rolls back) this POS aiming mechanics and input lag/fps ill take both.... Of course if that's not possible give me game play over shiny things anytime...
EnIgMa99 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 310	Posted - 2013.05.15 13:13:00 - [13] - Quote Jeremiah ambromot wrote: Just wanted to bring this to some people's attention. "CCP LaFerrari" wrote: #9Posted: 2013.05.10 01:54 \| Report Like 4 Appia Vibbia wrote: seriously, please tell me this was a huge mistake. there is a maximum distance I can see character models away from. It changes depending on what type of weapon I have equipped. Different sniper zooms let you see further, but even the Thale's has a limit. Hi, Thank you for the feedback. I believe what you're experiencing is the side effect of an optimization we did in Uprising. The optimization is about only simulating the characters within certain distance around your local player, which is a very common technique for games that have large maps. The view distance is partially tied to the weapon the player is using since for instance players using an assault rifle don't need to see as far as snipers. I'll talk to the relevant devs about this. In the meantime, can you guys provide a list of weapons that are most annoying? QUOTE https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=74777 FIght the powa
LeCuch Red Star. EoN. 100	Posted - 2013.05.15 13:16:00 - [14] - Quote Well, i can't kill anyone with good graphics
Gawen Eadan Militaires-Sans-Frontieres 10	Posted - 2013.05.15 13:19:00 - [15] - Quote gameplay, a 100 times gameplay.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 2981	Posted - 2013.05.15 13:20:00 - [16] - Quote Definitely gameplay. Pong > Rise of the Robots.
MarakPS3 Daga Bojo's School of the Trades 44	Posted - 2013.05.15 13:21:00 - [17] - Quote god id be surprised if any non-toll said graphics over gameplay. Except a dev or ccp management of course....
Herper Derp DUST University Ivy League 93	Posted - 2013.05.15 13:23:00 - [18] - Quote Gomploy. I actually liked the simplicity of the Chromosome graphics. Yeah, I know! **** me, right?!
EnIgMa99 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 310	Posted - 2013.05.15 13:24:00 - [19] - Quote I mean come on guys looks at this crap http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plfAoguqM0I
Laheon Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 481	Posted - 2013.05.15 13:27:00 - [20] - Quote Gameplay > graphics any day. I still happily go back and play games like FF7 (never played another one in the series), Rome Total War, and Diablo.

Vyzion Eyri The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION 648	Posted - 2013.05.15 13:27:00 - [21] - Quote Graphics! Skydiving from the new flight ceiling has never been more realistic! Just look at those mountains... gawsh. But seriously? The new Uprising look is sexy. I'd say this is what the game needed, now. However, if major improvements to the graphics don't happen in the future, now I won't be fussed. If we were stuck in pre-Uprising graphics for longer than this, I personally would've been feeling disappointed.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 2981	Posted - 2013.05.15 13:27:00 - [22] - Quote MarakPS3 Daga wrote: god id be surprised if any non-toll said graphics over gameplay. Except a dev or ccp management of course.... How are CCP devs an exception after the "non-troll" disclaimer? Have you not seen anything CCP FoxFour has said? Like, ever?
EnIgMa99 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 310	Posted - 2013.05.15 13:34:00 - [23] - Quote Vyzion Eyri wrote: Graphics! Skydiving from the new flight ceiling has never been more realistic! Just look at those mountains... gawsh. But seriously? The new Uprising look is sexy. I'd say this is what the game needed, now. However, if major improvements to the graphics don't happen in the future, now I won't be fussed. If we were stuck in pre-Uprising graphics for longer than this, I personally would've been feeling disappointed. Yeah but invisible people can shoot you.
Daedric Lothar Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 312	Posted - 2013.05.15 13:36:00 - [24] - Quote Is it really to much to ask for both? Triple A games have to have good graphcis. Its a requirement. Gameplay usually starts fairly terrible, but gets better over time. So for now I would prefer graphics over gameplay just because Graphics are harder to improve later whereas gameplay can be tweaked and memory leaks fixed.
EnIgMa99 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 311	Posted - 2013.05.15 13:42:00 - [25] - Quote Daedric Lothar wrote: Is it really to much to ask for both? Triple A games have to have good graphcis. Its a requirement. Gameplay usually starts fairly terrible, but gets better over time. So for now I would prefer graphics over gameplay just because Graphics are harder to improve later whereas gameplay can be tweaked and memory leaks fixed. yeah maybe if you don't take this game in a serious light and play this game like you play farmville or angry birds I can understand. But say if you play competitively for say money or something substantial and this happens: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plfAoguqM0I you can see where my frustration would be to rage quit levels.


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