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hooc order wrote:

DS 10 wrote:

Any thoughts on the actual topic?

yeah you can read what I said above.

I watched your video and have to say you have a solid argument and i think you are right.

I do take issue with your claim that older players are "Solid" or "great". They are not. They are being carried by their gear.

I have gone up against you on the day before the update and i was not terribly impressed. I have also gone up against players in imperfects in the past and saw some pretty terrible FPS game play along with some OK game play and good squad work.

Maybe some of you guys are lazy letting the gear carry you but by no means do i think this is the majority.

You are not winning matches because of FPS skills you are only wining because you have more SP and better gear.

To the 5 or 6 players who have been here a long time and are good at this game i apologize. To the rest of you it is time to start a new alt with 500k SP and learn the game.

DS 10 i do congratulate you for doing just that. Pretty awesome that you were willingness to at least test it out.

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DS 10 G I A N T EoN. 273	Posted - 2013.05.09 20:21:00 - [1] - Quote In this video, I discuss why I believe Dust will have issues keeping new players and discuss a possible solution. If you have any input on the matter, please express it! http://youtu.be/4SuYO2dxb2w
DS 10 G I A N T EoN. 274	Posted - 2013.05.09 20:48:00 - [2] - Quote Fixed the link. My baaaad.
hooc order Deep Space Republic Gentlemen's Agreement 40	Posted - 2013.05.09 20:50:00 - [3] - Quote DS 10 wrote: In this video, I discuss why I believe Dust will have issues keeping new players and discuss a possible solution. If you have any input on the matter, please express it! http://youtu.be/4SuYO2dxb2w I will watch the video later. I think Dust needs to appeal to FPS players to grow. It does not do that. to fix it the weapon nerfs need to go. If Balance is needed then CCP should do the balancing through map design and weapon mechanics like lasers over heating or rifle kick...rather then hard nerfs to range and damage. Mastering a rifle kick is fun. Trying to judge the distance at which my bullets evaporate into the void is not fun. To fix it players need to be equal in terms of ability (isn't odd that CCP is so very worried about weapon balance but actively encourages imbalances through SP and Gear?) A new player should be able to kill an old player. Getting better at an FPS should happen by mastery of the game mechanics not mastery of a spread sheet and being the first to join a seniority pyramid scheme....I out smarted you and aimed better and shot you first I win...not I outsmarted you i aimed better i shot you first i lose because you have been here longer. Losing when you are a better player in FPS which is all about instant gratification is a sure fire way to drive away people who are FPS players. to fix it the game should work on a fundamental level. Grenades should be thrown when i hit the grenade button...not have a random delay glitch every other throw. the player should not be stuck on walls or small steps or random spots of quicksand, Players need to be able to select different items from the start...not select them but then switch does not happen so you switch again and it doesn't happen and it doesn't happen and then you die while messing with the item switch. Aiming should work. not be almost ok for 2 games then terrible the unusable then reset your machine then it is ok for 10 min then terrible. Hits should register. not hey look only that guy's head is showing, put 10 bullets in his head that all show hits then...but he does not die...you die. Then looking at the end stats and seeing you had no head shots....or someone has no health shield or armor and you fire at his chest putting 10 rounds into it and he does not die even though you see that the bullets did hit him cuz the red X marks....or you shoot with perfect aim at someone 10 meters from you and you do not hit do no damage and does not even register a red X. If CCP fixed all that then dust might have a chance at competing for FPS players which is probably the most competitive video game market in the
Mary Sedillo XERCORE E X T E R M I N A T U S 55	Posted - 2013.05.09 20:54:00 - [4] - Quote DS 10 wrote: In this video, I discuss why I believe Dust will have issues keeping new players and discuss a possible solution. If you have any input on the matter, please express it! http://youtu.be/4SuYO2dxb2w That link seems sketchy. I wouldn't mess with it unless you like malware.
DS 10 G I A N T EoN. 274	Posted - 2013.05.09 20:56:00 - [5] - Quote Mary Sedillo wrote: DS 10 wrote: In this video, I discuss why I believe Dust will have issues keeping new players and discuss a possible solution. If you have any input on the matter, please express it! http://youtu.be/4SuYO2dxb2w That link seems sketchy. I wouldn't mess with it unless you like malware. It's directly from my iPhone App. I've never had issues.
Polish Hammer Conspiratus Immortalis League of Infamy 380	Posted - 2013.05.09 20:57:00 - [6] - Quote Haven't you been doomsaying since Uprising came out?
DS 10 G I A N T EoN. 274	Posted - 2013.05.09 21:00:00 - [7] - Quote Polish Hammer wrote: Haven't you been doomsaying since Uprising came out? I've only said HMGs were nerfed too harshly as far as I remember. Had a few beers since then. I actually like Uprising overall.
hooc order Deep Space Republic Gentlemen's Agreement 40	Posted - 2013.05.09 21:02:00 - [8] - Quote Polish Hammer wrote: Haven't you been doomsaying since Uprising came out? You mean the last 5 days?
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 2885	Posted - 2013.05.09 21:06:00 - [9] - Quote DS 10 wrote: Mary Sedillo wrote: DS 10 wrote: In this video, I discuss why I believe Dust will have issues keeping new players and discuss a possible solution. If you have any input on the matter, please express it! http://youtu.be/4SuYO2dxb2w That link seems sketchy. I wouldn't mess with it unless you like malware. It's directly from my iPhone App. I've never had issues. Edit: Another link. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuYO2dxb2w youtu.be links get the "spam/malware/we don't know what the kitten this is" message instead of directing you straight to the site. If you're linking to YouTube, use the youtube.com link on here, because it's an "allowed" site so the links work properly instead of adding an extra step to the process.
Polish Hammer Conspiratus Immortalis League of Infamy 381	Posted - 2013.05.09 21:09:00 - [10] - Quote DS 10 wrote: Polish Hammer wrote: Haven't you been doomsaying since Uprising came out? I've only said HMGs were nerfed too harshly as far as I remember. Had a few beers since then. I actually like Uprising overall. Ah okay, my mistake then. I must have been thinking of someone else. Apologies.

Johnny Guilt Algintal Core Gallente Federation 67	Posted - 2013.05.09 21:15:00 - [11] - Quote Good multiplayer games should be easy to get into and tough to master
Marston VC SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 225	Posted - 2013.05.09 21:18:00 - [12] - Quote The thing is though..... hes exactly right. For this game to succeed we need new players, we NEED a bigger player base, and as it stands right now...... its VERY difficult for new players to get into a game like this.
DS 10 G I A N T EoN. 274	Posted - 2013.05.09 21:22:00 - [13] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: DS 10 wrote: Mary Sedillo wrote: DS 10 wrote: In this video, I discuss why I believe Dust will have issues keeping new players and discuss a possible solution. If you have any input on the matter, please express it! http://youtu.be/4SuYO2dxb2w That link seems sketchy. I wouldn't mess with it unless you like malware. It's directly from my iPhone App. I've never had issues. Edit: Another link. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuYO2dxb2w youtu.be links get the "spam/malware/we don't know what the kitten this is" message instead of directing you straight to the site. If you're linking to YouTube, use the youtube.com link on here, because it's an "allowed" site so the links work properly instead of adding an extra step to the process. Thanks for the heads up. I'll be sure to do that from now on.
DS 10 G I A N T EoN. 274	Posted - 2013.05.09 22:40:00 - [14] - Quote Any thoughts on the actual topic?
Skyhound Solbrave Rough Riders.. 26	Posted - 2013.05.09 22:49:00 - [15] - Quote Yes, it can. From a business standpoint, it is more than obvious that a project of this magnitude would be slow to get off the Veoh.d. Hell, that is Eve's selling. Their numbers where GREATLY smaller than what we have now and look at where Eve is. It's not about being as succesful as Battlefield or CoD, that is almost impossible to accomplish with a F2P game. It's about an investment over time that will grow. Dust will dig in as a F2P on the PS3/4 and it will do what Eve did and evolve over time and will foster its own niche of players. People expecting Dust to be the greatest thing in the world overnight are just silly.
Harkon Vysarii Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 244	Posted - 2013.05.09 22:55:00 - [16] - Quote Was a stauch supporter of this build.... but now that I see my heavy in such a sorry state I honestly cant say I have as much confidence in the build as I once did.
DS 10 G I A N T EoN. 274	Posted - 2013.05.09 22:58:00 - [17] - Quote Harkon Vysarii wrote: Was a stauch supporter of this build.... but now that I see my heavy in such a sorry state I honestly cant say I have as much confidence in the build as I once did. Good news. HMGs should be getting a buff sometime soon. I don't know exactly when or what they will change, but a change pretty much HAS to happen. The issue now is will it happen before the supposed respec Jenza and Hans were talking about? If HMGs aren't fixed before the respec, I'm guessing 7 out of 10 heavies will switch to other roles. There will be ARs everywhere. If CCP wants heavies to be a relevant option in PC, they need to fix the HMG before they do a respec.
UK-Shots Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 40	Posted - 2013.05.09 22:58:00 - [18] - Quote DS 10 wrote: In this video, I discuss why I believe Dust will have issues keeping new players and discuss a possible solution. If you have any input on the matter, please express it! http://youtu.be/4SuYO2dxb2w Edit: Another link because the first is the devil. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuYO2dxb2w hahha mate call of dust . thats a cracker
hooc order Deep Space Republic Gentlemen's Agreement 41	Posted - 2013.05.09 23:14:00 - [19] - Quote DS 10 wrote: Any thoughts on the actual topic? yeah you can read what I said above. I watched your video and have to say you have a solid argument and i think you are right. I do take issue with your claim that older players are "Solid" or "great". They are not. They are being carried by their gear. I have gone up against you on the day before the update and i was not terribly impressed. I have also gone up against players in imperfects in the past and saw some pretty terrible FPS game play along with some OK game play and good squad work. Maybe some of you guys are lazy letting the gear carry you but by no means do i think this is the majority. You are not winning matches because of FPS skills you are only wining because you have more SP and better gear. To the 5 or 6 players who have been here a long time and are good at this game i apologize. To the rest of you it is time to start a new alt with 500k SP and learn the game. DS 10 i do congratulate you for doing just that. Pretty awesome that you were willingness to at least test it out.
DS 10 G I A N T EoN. 276	Posted - 2013.05.10 02:11:00 - [20] - Quote hooc order wrote: DS 10 wrote: Any thoughts on the actual topic? yeah you can read what I said above. I watched your video and have to say you have a solid argument and i think you are right. I do take issue with your claim that older players are "Solid" or "great". They are not. They are being carried by their gear. I have gone up against you on the day before the update and i was not terribly impressed. I have also gone up against players in imperfects in the past and saw some pretty terrible FPS game play along with some OK game play and good squad work. Maybe some of you guys are lazy letting the gear carry you but by no means do i think this is the majority. You are not winning matches because of FPS skills you are only wining because you have more SP and better gear. To the 5 or 6 players who have been here a long time and are good at this game i apologize. To the rest of you it is time to start a new alt with 500k SP and learn the game. DS 10 i do congratulate you for doing just that. Pretty awesome that you were willingness to at least test it out. I spent the last 3 or so weeks running Logi and different fits before the respec. When I did that, I lost a lot of my "competitiveness". I'm by no means a great player, but I can generally hold my own and do well. You most likely caught me in a Logi game when I was either running straight support or screwing around with corpmates. Also, you should remember that I'm an alcoholic. You can only play so many games when you're spinning :P

TREY Trey THE DOLLARS 33	Posted - 2013.05.10 15:32:00 - [21] - Quote How about some PvE?
Mobias Wyvern Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 12	Posted - 2013.07.06 04:06:00 - [22] - Quote Be your own Judge. What game looks like more fun to you? Dust.........Or this......... Planetside 2 Coming to PS4 this year 1080p Ultra settings at Night Intense Open Field Battle 100 Man Infantry Objective Push Desert Infantry Line Huge Desert Tank Battle 100 Tank Convoy 150 man Air Raid 65/0 Kill streak in the air NC Montage Planetside 2 Machinima Factions Explained Why you should Play Planetside 2 From Vets
Anarchide Greedy Bastards 171	Posted - 2013.07.06 04:08:00 - [23] - Quote Mobias Wyvern wrote: Be your own Judge. What game looks like more fun to you? Dust.........Or this......... Planetside 2 Coming to PS4 this year 1080p Ultra settings at Night Intense Open Field Battle 100 Man Infantry Objective Push Desert Infantry Line Huge Desert Tank Battle 100 Tank Convoy 150 man Air Raid 65/0 Kill streak in the air NC Montage Planetside 2 Machinima Factions Explained Why you should Play Planetside 2 From Vets I pray that your potential future child(s) won't inherit your specific ****** gene.
Killar-12 Greatness Achieved Through Training EoN. 13	Posted - 2013.07.06 04:52:00 - [24] - Quote DS 10 wrote: Any thoughts on the actual topic? I think that Training Corps (D-Uni/Bojo's) are the mid term key for new players they can do incredible things if they can help but they are facing difficulties doing so, but until PvE,effective tutorials, and better matchmaking come. Until then new players either will have to look for help it's hard for new players if the Dust Help Chat Channel become popular enough then they could help out greatly Also, D-Uni is the new players greatest asset they will help out. I remember Cromesome with the starter fits they would help, if there were 6-10 starter fits and a player could chose all of them in the academy and 4 or 5 of them afterwards to allow new players get a better first experience of Dust. More starting ISK and SP, for now I think it's a good stop-gap measure and once implemented should stay probably increase beginning SP to 1 million and ISK to 2 million. Matchmaking, knowledge of corporations, tutorials, PvE, will all help but the player base has a role sa well.
Killar-12 Greatness Achieved Through Training EoN. 13	Posted - 2013.07.06 04:53:00 - [25] - Quote Mobias Wyvern wrote: Be your own Judge. What game looks like more fun to you? Dust.........Or this......... Planetside 2 Coming to PS4 this year 1080p Ultra settings at Night Intense Open Field Battle 100 Man Infantry Objective Push Desert Infantry Line Huge Desert Tank Battle 100 Tank Convoy 150 man Air Raid 65/0 Kill streak in the air NC Montage Planetside 2 Machinima Factions Explained Why you should Play Planetside 2 From Vets Ball and Cup Toy > Planetside 2
Killar-12 Greatness Achieved Through Training EoN. 13	Posted - 2013.07.06 04:56:00 - [26] - Quote Skyhound Solbrave wrote: Yes, it can. From a business standpoint, it is more than obvious that a project of this magnitude would be slow to get off the Veoh.d. Hell, that is Eve's selling. Their numbers where GREATLY smaller than what we have now and look at where Eve is. It's not about being as succesful as Battlefield or CoD, that is almost impossible to accomplish with a F2P game. It's about an investment over time that will grow. Dust will dig in as a F2P on the PS3/4 and it will do what Eve did and evolve over time and will foster its own niche of players. People expecting Dust to be the greatest thing in the world overnight are just silly. I like the Idea of this game bieng like Eve with a cult classic fanbase but it's not near completion but it may be able to exceed more popular games because it will continue to grow and change instead of having a new version come out every year.


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