DUST Search - CPM Should Support The Players' Request For A SP Respec

Django Quik wrote:

Delirium Inferno wrote:

I don't even get why those who say no do say no. Are they scared players are going to fix their mistakes and wind up killing them some time later?

Honestly I'm in favor of a respec anytime something major gets added or a mistake is made, such as the 3 new weapons on Tuesday or the incorrect vehicle skills. I like where I put all my skill points, don't want any of the new weapons, nor did I make a mistake with the vehicles issue. Yet I don't see what is so bad about a respec in these type of situations.

Ok, to be fair, anytime a skill is fixed/changed the points put into those specific skills should be refunded. Nothing else. This is a special case and not the same as the total respec lots of people are asking for.

If people are given a respec just because they made mistakes in their own choices, then they'll just ask for more respecs again when they mess up again. Then we'll get an endless cycle of 'Oh, I put SP into this thing I don't like anymore and I want to change again, pretty please CCP'

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SoLJae ZionTCD Unclaimed. 389	Posted - 2013.05.09 14:22:00 - [1] - Quote If they really want to represent us they should stand up for us on this issue and help us get it done.
Django Quik R.I.f.t Orion Empire 442	Posted - 2013.05.09 14:25:00 - [2] - Quote I'd think that the CPM is looking at the balance of players saying no to those saying yes and would likely decide that the yes people are outnumbered.
SoLJae ZionTCD Unclaimed. 389	Posted - 2013.05.09 14:27:00 - [3] - Quote Django Quik wrote: I'd think that the CPM is looking at the balance of players saying no to those saying yes and would likely decide that the yes people are outnumbered. ...and you would be wrong, mate.
K9 Wez The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 26	Posted - 2013.05.09 14:29:00 - [4] - Quote Django Quik wrote: I'd think that the CPM is looking at the balance of players saying no to those saying yes and would likely decide that the yes people are outnumbered. Even though ppl got screw over by the skills requirements/descriptions? I think not
semperfi1999 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 428	Posted - 2013.05.09 14:31:00 - [5] - Quote Well TBH I have not been for a SP repec........ However if CCP continues to fix things in the skill tree that completely ruins the SP ppl spent because CCP made "mistakes" in certain prereques then yes this would need to be reset.
Malkai Inos The Vanguardians Orion Empire 24	Posted - 2013.05.09 14:32:00 - [6] - Quote SoLJae wrote: ...and you would be wrong, mate. And you know this through your comprehensive data... or what exacly makes you so sure?
SoLJae ZionTCD Unclaimed. 392	Posted - 2013.05.09 14:34:00 - [7] - Quote Malkai Inos wrote: SoLJae wrote: ...and you would be wrong, mate. And you know this through your comprehensive data... or what exacly makes you so sure? Intelligent observation is my best friend. Do you read the forums much?
john smitharooni Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 4	Posted - 2013.05.09 14:39:00 - [8] - Quote Hans is onboard with this--Thank you, sir. I would like to hear from the rest of them as to where they stand.
SoLJae ZionTCD Unclaimed. 394	Posted - 2013.05.09 14:41:00 - [9] - Quote john smitharooni wrote: Hans is onboard with this--Thank you, sir. I would like to hear from the rest of them as to where they stand. Yes, indeed, he is the first to come out and support!
Malkai Inos The Vanguardians Orion Empire 24	Posted - 2013.05.09 14:42:00 - [10] - Quote SoLJae wrote: Malkai Inos wrote: SoLJae wrote: ...and you would be wrong, mate. And you know this through your comprehensive data... or what exacly makes you so sure? Intelligent observation is my best friend. Do you read the forums much? I think forum observations are generally prone to Selection Bias. Especially since you wouldn't go and demand no reset to be made if you don't have an issue in the first place.

Delirium Inferno Edoras Corporation 165	Posted - 2013.05.09 14:43:00 - [11] - Quote I don't even get why those who say no do say no. Are they scared players are going to fix their mistakes and wind up killing them some time later? Honestly I'm in favor of a respec anytime something major gets added or a mistake is made, such as the 3 new weapons on Tuesday or the incorrect vehicle skills. I like where I put all my skill points, don't want any of the new weapons, nor did I make a mistake with the vehicles issue. Yet I don't see what is so bad about a respec in these type of situations.
flesth Red Star. EoN. 21	Posted - 2013.05.09 14:43:00 - [12] - Quote semperfi1999 wrote: Well TBH I have not been for a SP repec........ However if CCP continues to fix things in the skill tree that completely ruins the SP ppl spent because CCP made "mistakes" in certain prereques then yes this would need to be reset. spot on cpp make mistakes we get blamed on ccp fixed mistakes sp respec for us PC comes we enjoy peace
Ryder Azorria Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 296	Posted - 2013.05.09 14:52:00 - [13] - Quote Delirium Inferno wrote: I don't even get why those who say no do say no. Are they scared players are going to fix their mistakes and wind up killing them some time later? Honestly I'm in favor of a respec anytime something major gets added or a mistake is made, such as the 3 new weapons on Tuesday or the incorrect vehicle skills. I like where I put all my skill points, don't want any of the new weapons, nor did I make a mistake with the vehicles issue. Yet I don't see what is so bad about a respec in these type of situations. No, we respect the "choices have consequences" value of EVE and it's FPS lovechild, Dust. In a nutshell, if you make a mistake, you effing deal with it yourself, don't go crying to CCP to fix it for you. Partial skill refunds however, for certain skills that were broken / had the wrong prereqs / whatever, are a different situation. Here CCP made the mistakes and should be fix them, instead of leaving the players to deal with the mess.
Jaqen Morghalis Abandoned Privilege 28	Posted - 2013.05.09 14:52:00 - [14] - Quote Delirium Inferno wrote: I don't even get why those who say no do say no. Are they scared players are going to fix their mistakes and wind up killing them some time later? Honestly I'm in favor of a respec anytime something major gets added or a mistake is made, such as the 3 new weapons on Tuesday or the incorrect vehicle skills. I like where I put all my skill points, don't want any of the new weapons, nor did I make a mistake with the vehicles issue. Yet I don't see what is so bad about a respec in these type of situations. Agreed. I'm not in favour of the respec because I want or need it, I'm in favour of it because it's the right thing to do. It benefits those who want it, and has absolutely no negative effect on those who don't.
Malkai Inos The Vanguardians Orion Empire 24	Posted - 2013.05.09 14:53:00 - [15] - Quote Delirium Inferno wrote: I don't even get why those who say no do say no. Are they scared players are going to fix their mistakes and wind up killing them some time later? Honestly I'm in favor of a respec anytime something major gets added or a mistake is made, such as the 3 new weapons on Tuesday or the incorrect vehicle skills. I like where I put all my skill points, don't want any of the new weapons, nor did I make a mistake with the vehicles issue. Yet I don't see what is so bad about a respec in these type of situations. I don't oppose it strongly in this case since this is beta and all and a heap of changes has been made. But i strongly object semi regular respecs everytime something new comes along. New things will be getting added for as long as the game survives and everytime this happens the vets can come in, take their respec and be fully proficient in it the second its live. This means constant FOTM and essentially defeats the purpose of the skill system.
SoLJae ZionTCD Unclaimed. 395	Posted - 2013.05.09 14:54:00 - [16] - Quote Delirium Inferno wrote: I don't even get why those who say no do say no. Are they scared players are going to fix their mistakes and wind up killing them some time later? Honestly I'm in favor of a respec anytime something major gets added or a mistake is made, such as the 3 new weapons on Tuesday or the incorrect vehicle skills. I like where I put all my skill points, don't want any of the new weapons, nor did I make a mistake with the vehicles issue. Yet I don't see what is so bad about a respec in these type of situations. I know, right???? CCP made mistakes and Players made mistakes during this monumental change of direction called Uprising. A respec WON'T hurt anyone and will benefit most everyone. It's only logical. Spock would approve....
Django Quik R.I.f.t Orion Empire 442	Posted - 2013.05.09 14:55:00 - [17] - Quote Delirium Inferno wrote: I don't even get why those who say no do say no. Are they scared players are going to fix their mistakes and wind up killing them some time later? Honestly I'm in favor of a respec anytime something major gets added or a mistake is made, such as the 3 new weapons on Tuesday or the incorrect vehicle skills. I like where I put all my skill points, don't want any of the new weapons, nor did I make a mistake with the vehicles issue. Yet I don't see what is so bad about a respec in these type of situations. Ok, to be fair, anytime a skill is fixed/changed the points put into those specific skills should be refunded. Nothing else. This is a special case and not the same as the total respec lots of people are asking for. If people are given a respec just because they made mistakes in their own choices, then they'll just ask for more respecs again when they mess up again. Then we'll get an endless cycle of 'Oh, I put SP into this thing I don't like anymore and I want to change again, pretty please CCP'
Jaqen Morghalis Abandoned Privilege 31	Posted - 2013.05.09 15:02:00 - [18] - Quote Django Quik wrote: Delirium Inferno wrote: I don't even get why those who say no do say no. Are they scared players are going to fix their mistakes and wind up killing them some time later? Honestly I'm in favor of a respec anytime something major gets added or a mistake is made, such as the 3 new weapons on Tuesday or the incorrect vehicle skills. I like where I put all my skill points, don't want any of the new weapons, nor did I make a mistake with the vehicles issue. Yet I don't see what is so bad about a respec in these type of situations. Ok, to be fair, anytime a skill is fixed/changed the points put into those specific skills should be refunded. Nothing else. This is a special case and not the same as the total respec lots of people are asking for. If people are given a respec just because they made mistakes in their own choices, then they'll just ask for more respecs again when they mess up again. Then we'll get an endless cycle of 'Oh, I put SP into this thing I don't like anymore and I want to change again, pretty please CCP' Post-launch I completely agree: mistakes should have consequences. But the game hasn't officially launched yet. This is STILL a beta, and Uprising introduced some pretty significant changes (and issues) to the core mechanics of the game itself - too many for there to be zero room for error. If the devs are allowed to go back and fix and fine-tune these mechanics, the players should be afforded the same courtesy with the choices they've made, based upon those same mechanics, IMO. A beta is meant to be a learning process for both the Devs and the Beta Testers. Mistakes made during the beta test should NOT be permanently held against a player after launch. This is why most games do a full reset at the end of their betas.
Musta Tornius BetaMax. CRONOS. 328	Posted - 2013.05.09 15:04:00 - [19] - Quote We are after all in new Eden where the bottom line is HTFU when it comes to sp investment. Make your choices and live with it.
K9 Wez The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 27	Posted - 2013.05.09 15:05:00 - [20] - Quote Django Quik wrote: Delirium Inferno wrote: I don't even get why those who say no do say no. Are they scared players are going to fix their mistakes and wind up killing them some time later? Honestly I'm in favor of a respec anytime something major gets added or a mistake is made, such as the 3 new weapons on Tuesday or the incorrect vehicle skills. I like where I put all my skill points, don't want any of the new weapons, nor did I make a mistake with the vehicles issue. Yet I don't see what is so bad about a respec in these type of situations. Ok, to be fair, anytime a skill is fixed/changed the points put into those specific skills should be refunded. Nothing else. This is a special case and not the same as the total respec lots of people are asking for. If people are given a respec just because they made mistakes in their own choices, then they'll just ask for more respecs again when they mess up again. Then we'll get an endless cycle of 'Oh, I put SP into this thing I don't like anymore and I want to change again, pretty please CCP' And thus CCP in all their wisdom creates aurum respec option and this issue is never brought up again.

EnglishSnake Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 1028	Posted - 2013.05.09 15:10:00 - [21] - Quote Musta Tornius wrote: We are after all in new Eden where the bottom line is HTFU when it comes to sp investment. Make your choices and live with it. We are after all on Earth and surrounded by retards like yourself CCP mistake, CCP should fix it by an SP refund for the skills in question and generally a respec for all since so much has changed
steadyhand amarr NW WARLORDS 506	Posted - 2013.05.09 15:12:00 - [22] - Quote As ccp are changing skill post respect I'm for a rest on the 14th but only because its not fair on the players who misunderstood what was going on this is the only event were a reskill is ok. Post launch only refunds should be given when reworking trees. like removing learning skills from eve
K9 Wez The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 28	Posted - 2013.05.09 15:16:00 - [23] - Quote Musta Tornius wrote: We are after all in new Eden where the bottom line is HTFU when it comes to sp investment. Make your choices and live with it. You people with your this is new Eden. Man stfu with that noise. "Live with it" shouldn't have to apply to a video game. For some reason i get the feeling people are taking eve a bit to seriously. Oh btw in eve when you are training a skill don't you get the option to abort training if you change your mind or made a mistake? In dust you don't even get that cooling off period so please just shove your "This is new Eden" up where the sun don't shine


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