ccp blam has recently stated that ccp is looking into fixing tanks and making them more sustainable in tanking battle i.e less glass cannon more armor fortress.
this is not a hate thread it is a thread for tankers to get together, people who have dedicated their time and effort into trying to work this complex that has been so broken, and discuss solutions. if you do not tank and you have not tanked if you do not specilize as av no one puts any value to what you say on this subject so dont be rude by mucking it up.

now the general idea is more tank less gank in my opinion i know this is favored by more than just me this is a great idea imagine if tanking no longer became about one shotting every infantry before they gank you and more about taking damage and dealing damage.

im not sure to what levels things would need to be adjusted atm adjust tanks hp to make them sustainable in battle would mean huge buff all across the module board. more hp means the need for better healing units, but personally i think the healing untis for havs should be upped with the extenders but fractionally lower to allow margin for external ally healing i.e shield transported remote repair units

better to live and not kill everything in sight, but more so contribute to your teams win
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right and then they go and do it to heavies lolz

Yes but they aren't really fixing some of the skills just changing the text to mean what the skill really does post-Uprising. Which is a big F U to people who need what the skills did pre-Uprising.

i also feel that missile and rail guns should be able to aim to the upper extremes and blaster need at least 45% vertical enhancment

Dunno what they fixed after i fited ion blaster there were no more resurses to fit heavy sb... u must be kidding ccp...

I have to say I agree with the more tank less gank approach to balancing HAV's. I have limited use with the missile turrets, but one thing I could see would be instead of just an across the board reduction to dps of HAV turrets, maybe change the efficiency of the turrets depending on what is being shot at. Say infantry would have a 50% efficiency dealing 50% less damage per shot to them, but you could still have 100% efficiency against other vehicles and installations.

Not sure how much of a difference it could be, those are just some numbers off the top of my head. I have been a big blaster user, so that is my primary experience with HAV turrets. Just my 0.02 isk.

Edit: The efficiency could actually vary depending on the frame size of the infantry you are shooting at, so it would be very difficult to kill a moving scout while a waddling heavy would have a higher efficiency rating.

i understand ur reasoning, but... seriously? my tank can destroy an installation, but not a scout??? where is the believability in that? FUTURISTIC... not just EVERY 1 is equal... its a TANK! any of you ever faced one in real life? obviously NOT. u RUN!!! u dont go get a missile launcher and 1v1 it... u call in air support... u call in a "special team" .... TANK!!!

I believe what I was talking about has more to do with tracking speed for the scouts and heavy variety. Just throwing stuff out there, we all need to do some serious thinking cap talking if we want our HAV's to be more like tanks than wet paper bags.

Edit: Combine tracking speed variety between turrets of different calibers and efficiency rating and there might be something there, but it would need to be tested a lot.

solution a balanced tank wouldnt have to sricfice nearly as much and should be able to fitt for example conscirpt tracking ehnacer number 2

An issue that i have run into that i have not seen mentioned is the delayed activation of heavy armour reppers, it seems to have a 10-15sec delay after using the mod.

for example caldari havs should have low powered slots equal to their high in advanced tier so should gallente

adv hav caldari
5 highowered slots 4 lowpowered
450 cpu (not sure about this stat didnt refernce anything just rough shod numbers)
2200 pg (like a skilled up gunlogi base)
enough pg to deck it out in a shield fashion but not enough to ever put armor with armor reps on low powered the low owered on a caldari hav like this one's lowpowered slots would most likely be used for turrent enhancement maybe a cpu or pg bonus

lower the rail gun damage so it take more than a few shots but keep it at the point where it one shots infantry the rail gun is an av weapon its extreme hard to use vs infantry and takes a skilled tanker

lower the blaser to where infantry can survive 4-7 hits in the equivalent tiered suit for example if your average proto suit has 800 hp then you proto blaster should do between 75-100 dmg

raise the radius on the fragmented missiles by 50% (lower the damage )
raise the range on the accelerated missiles by 75% (makes them almost as good as rail) lower the radius . raise the damage
lower the fire interval for cycled missiles keep damage scale same

tier shield hardeners as such timers scaled 15 sec 25 sec 35 sec resistances remain same recharge time 15 secs on all
tier armor hardeners as such timers scaled 30 sec 45 sec 60 sec

the hp is the tricky part any ideas i have used every turrent in uprising as i unlock full proto large n small missile and hybrid i think these are good reductions and alterations to turrents assuming hp was buffed.

i personally think double hp

i also feel that missile and rail guns should be able to aim to the upper extremes and blaster need at least 45% vertical enhancment

If nothing else dont let me look where I can't shoot.

I disagree. DMG does not need a buff or a nerf. It's fine as is. The change needs to be an increase of the CPU and PG of all vehicles by 50% as well as a 25% buff to all attributes of defensive modules. A tank's ability to kill grunts is adequate, but they kill other tanks way too quickly. Usually, it's between 3 and 15 seconds. It should be between 30 and 60 seconds.