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lowratehitman
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.05.09 03:56:00 -
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I decided to run assault once more even though the Logi is very impressive stat wise. What I am not understanding is why there is not much talk about the CK.0. I understand alot of players went straight into racial proto assault, but for what reason? I spent roughly 3.5 million sp and got into what was last builds VK.1 assault and have plenty of sp left (over 7 million).
Has anyone elese went this route, and how is it working for you. I understand logi,scout,and heavy is a totally different ballgame.
Dust 514 : Caldari Medium Frame ck.0 Prototype
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Delirium Inferno
Edoras Corporation
161
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Posted - 2013.05.09 04:02:00 -
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If you went Caldari Medium frame the Assault is pointless. Over 3 million skill points to get the same prototype you already had but with 10% faster reloading and 25% greater shield recharge rate. |
DJINN Marauder
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
540
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Posted - 2013.05.09 04:19:00 -
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I did same except with scouts. Racial bonus is cool and all but not worth the sp at the moment imo. |
Tony Calif
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
2081
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Posted - 2013.05.09 04:22:00 -
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Assault suits are a total waste of SP. Just look at PG, CPU, slot layout, equipment slots ect vs Logi. Sidearms are over rated when you have TAR, grenades, RE and nano hives. |
lowratehitman
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
549
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Posted - 2013.05.09 04:22:00 -
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Delirium Inferno wrote:If you went Caldari Medium frame the Assault is pointless. Over 3 million skill points to get the same prototype you already had but with 10% faster reloading and 25% greater shield recharge rate.
I beg to differ that what I did was pointless.It did not take 3 million to get into what I already had, it was alot cheaper...3.5 million to get the suit and have enhanced mods, minus higher teir AR. |
lowratehitman
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
549
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Posted - 2013.05.09 04:27:00 -
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Tony Calif wrote:Assault suits are a total waste of SP. Just look at PG, CPU, slot layout, equipment slots ect vs Logi. Sidearms are over rated when you have TAR, grenades, RE and nano hives.
not sure about a waste. A waste is all the people that are unhappy with their investments, I am very happy. Logi is nice, dont get me wrong. |
DigiOps
Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State
193
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Posted - 2013.05.09 04:27:00 -
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Tony Calif wrote:Assault suits are a total waste of SP. Just look at PG, CPU, slot layout, equipment slots ect vs Logi. Sidearms are over rated when you have TAR, grenades, RE and nano hives. Those logis seriously need to be looked at again. They shouldn't be able to fill the role of an assault. Period.
Personally, I think the shield recharge rate alone is worth it. |
lowratehitman
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
549
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Posted - 2013.05.09 04:38:00 -
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DigiOps wrote:Tony Calif wrote:Assault suits are a total waste of SP. Just look at PG, CPU, slot layout, equipment slots ect vs Logi. Sidearms are over rated when you have TAR, grenades, RE and nano hives. Those logis seriously need to be looked at again. They shouldn't be able to fill the role of an assault. Period. Delirium Inferno wrote:If you went Caldari Medium frame the Assault is pointless. Over 3 million skill points to get the same prototype you already had but with 10% faster reloading and 25% greater shield recharge rate. Personally, I think the shield recharge rate alone is worth it.
The CK.0 does not get the racial benifits of 10% and 25 %.....I believe, but... You would have to have acess to this suit if you was going for the caldari racial proto.It is not something you can bypass, if i am correct.......I could be wrong lol |
DJINN leukoplast
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
419
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Posted - 2013.05.09 05:13:00 -
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I think you made the right choice lowrate, because if you had spent SP into the assault racial suit, it would have been a waste IMO.
What I did was skill into proto Caldari logi, which also gives me access to the basic ck.0 that you are using too. This way if I need the equipment slots and racial bonuses for logi, I have that at my disposal, but if I want to get my sidearm back and go basic proto assault (with no racial bonuses) I have that option as well. See if I went right into proto Caldari assault, I would only have that suit and the basic suit with no racial bonuses (since they are identical). Skilling into logi gives me access to both the proto logi and proto assault (with no bonuses).
The cool thing is, since you are skilled into basic Caldari proto, you can still easily choose the proto caldari logi as well for another ~2 mill ISK (since you already have half the requirements met). That way you can have both a specialized racial logi, and a basic assault proto. Best bang for your buck in the game ATM.
I am enjoying the Caldari logi suits so far, and the 5HP per/s armor repair bonus is pretty amazing, I don't even need a armor repair mod, my suit just repairs all by itself (actually caught me by surprise last night, as I had no clue i had gotten that racial bonus, lol). I always ran a 2 HP per/s armor repair on my assault suits in Chromosome, now I can free up that low slot for other things.
The thing is, whether you are in a proto assault Caldari or the proto basic one, there is only one equipment slot. In Chromosome the vk1 had two equipment slots. This is why so many assault players chose logi suits this time around. And heck, it's pretty crazy, even the advanced suit has 3 slots. I never used anything but nanohives in Chromosome, but with all these extra slots I am going to start playing around with remotes and nanite injectors (maybe even proxys if they are considered equipment).
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Zarr Du'Kar
Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION
33
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Posted - 2013.05.09 05:23:00 -
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That's the semi-fail of CCP. 3million sp is not worth the racial bonus especially for caldari assault. Logistics on the other hand gives you more slots and CPU so no argument there. I skilled only my basic medium frame and it is as effective as the racial suit.
Saving that 3 million allowed me to spec into more core skills such as nano circuitry, electronics and engineering etc.
Reload speed for me isn't as important for those with a sidearm. You'd rather switch to your SMG or flay lock than reload your ar especially in cqc. The 25% recharge rate is helpful but not at the expense of 3million sp.
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lowratehitman
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
549
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Posted - 2013.05.09 05:27:00 -
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DJINN leukoplast wrote:I think you made the right choice lowrate, because if you had spent SP into the assault racial suit, it would have been a waste IMO.
What I did was skill into proto Caldari logi, which also gives me access to the basic ck.0 that you are using too. This way if I need the equipment slots and racial bonuses for logi, I have that at my disposal, but if I want to get my sidearm back and go basic proto assault (with no racial bonuses) I have that option as well. See if I went right into proto Caldari assault, I would only have that suit and the basic suit with no racial bonuses (since they are identical). Skilling into logi gives me access to both the proto logi and proto assault (with no bonuses).
The cool thing is, since you are skilled into basic Caldari proto, you can still easily choose the proto caldari logi as well for another ~2 mill ISK (since you already have half the requirements met). That way you can have both a specialized racial logi, and a basic assault proto. Best bang for your buck in the game ATM.
I am enjoying the Caldari logi suits so far, and the 5HP per/s armor repair bonus is pretty amazing, I don't even need a armor repair mod, my suit just repairs all by itself (actually caught me by surprise last night, as I had no clue i had gotten that racial bonus, lol). I always ran a 2 HP per/s armor repair on my assault suits in Chromosome, now I can free up that low slot for other things.
The thing is, whether you are in a proto assault Caldari or the proto basic one, there is only one equipment slot. In Chromosome the vk1 had two equipment slots. This is why so many assault players chose logi suits this time around. And heck, it's pretty crazy, even the advanced suit has 3 slots. I never used anything but nanohives in Chromosome, but with all these extra slots I am going to start playing around with remotes and nanite injectors (maybe even proxys if they are considered equipment).
^^^^ good stuff right there. That is why i stopped where I did and saved the sp that I did. I have found that when something is really good (Logi) in this game, it is taken away from us or broken to the point of being useless. I am not saying or hoping this will happen, I wanto to go racial proto caldari logi, but i want to wait for all the balances to be created over the next month or so...hell, if i have that much patience.
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DJINN leukoplast
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
420
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Posted - 2013.05.09 05:55:00 -
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lowratehitman wrote:
^^^^ good stuff right there. That is why i stopped where I did and saved the sp that I did. I have found that when something is really good (Logi) in this game, it is taken away from us or broken to the point of being useless. I am not saying or hoping this will happen, I wanto to go racial proto caldari logi, but i want to wait for all the balances to be created over the next month or so...hell, if i have that much patience.
Yeah, there is no telling what CCP may do, but in all honesty I don't think they are going to do much, if anything, to the logi.
If CCP nerfs the logi suit, then they are also nerfing the legit players that run as medics or repairers. I think the less HP , possibly bigger hitbox, movement/sprint speed penalty, no sidearm, and being in a bright yellow suit makes the choice to go logi negative enough without having to nerf it any further. The lack of a sidearm might not seem like a big deal, but I honestly do miss having it as a backup (and to run faster ) |
WyrmHero1945
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
237
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Posted - 2013.05.09 06:00:00 -
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I'm using this one until I get proto logi. The ADV logi won't hold a proto SR without CPU. |
lowratehitman
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
550
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Posted - 2013.05.09 08:33:00 -
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WyrmHero1945 wrote:I'm using this one until I get proto logi. The ADV logi won't hold a proto SR without CPU.
I will go to logi soon, when this ck.0 does not hold up well in battle |
Delirium Inferno
Edoras Corporation
164
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Posted - 2013.05.09 12:25:00 -
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lowratehitman wrote:Delirium Inferno wrote:If you went Caldari Medium frame the Assault is pointless. Over 3 million skill points to get the same prototype you already had but with 10% faster reloading and 25% greater shield recharge rate. I beg to differ that what I did was pointless.It did not take 3 million to get into what I already had, it was alot cheaper...3.5 million to get the suit and have enhanced mods, minus higher teir AR. According to your original post you got only the Medium Frame Basic prototype suit. I'm talking about the people who spent an additional 3 million SP on top of that to get the prototype assault suit.
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thecoolest guy
IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback
2
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Posted - 2013.05.09 14:33:00 -
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I did the same and only invested my SP into Caldari Medium Frame LVL 5 to get access to the basic proto suit. While I have enough SP to go into the Logi specialization it's pretty obvious that the Caldari Logi is the FOTM currently and there is no doubt it will be nerfed into line at some point in the future (to the tears of many).
I have had quite a bit of success with the basic proto and don't really see any need to go further until I see what CCP plans to do for the future. There are new items/content coming out on the 14th and no one really knows how they are going to affect the balance/gameplay so the wise man waits.
With regards to sidearms - I have to disagree with the stated uselessness of this also. The toxin SMG is pretty badass right now and I've taken out quite a few yellows with my toxin while they have been reload dancing. Not to mention the black suit is WAAAY cooler than that bright yellow monstrosity. |
mikegunnz
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
565
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Posted - 2013.05.09 14:41:00 -
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Guess I'm in the minority. I've gone Minmatar. I just felt that it's fit me better. HP is down, but you get slightly faster movement and a built-in 1HP armor rep. Not much, but enough if most of your fits are shield heavy anyway.... that, and for someone like me who likes using SMGs, the 25% capacity bonus is nice. Cant wait to get enough SP for the Ishukone SMG. If you though it was deadly before, wait til you see it with 100 rounds! |
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