The DUST 514 view on heavies have gotten jaded by forum warriors. its fact.

Heavies role and ideal role was as an infantry tank,

In order to full fill this role in the current aspect of the game and for the future without having to retouch heavies every few weeks with updates, was simple. Make them able to tank 4-6 enemies a "squad" but not have enough damage to effectively kill a proto assault 1 vs 1 and the proto assault not being able to kill the heavy without her/him wasting near all his bullets on an already ammo stricken planet.

Range was never a issue, other then people who cant aim or think you should impose an in game or computer generated limit on people with personal aiming skill.

Range has never been an issue from even the current USA military training simulators factor in player skill in long range aiming. Even the current modern assault rifles offer further range abilities then offered in DUST 514 a supposed advance year with improved implants and drop suit's to extend the ability of an average human.

Range offers heavies an better ability in a support role, as their mobility and turning radius is an issue they should be able to walk forward and provide cover fire with their high caliber bullets, in the year what?

Paving a Road in a city to facilitate the population numbers quoted last year makes no sense. Please don't create this problem in DUST where u are always behind.

Throwing away "making sense" in real world to facilitate convenience in the game will always get negative results as it ruins the gaming experience.

Dust isn't going to stay 16 vs 16 and the maps aren't going to stay in small scale as they are; with such aspirations, the range limitations are going to have to be retouched each time the granduer of DUST 514 is, and to me that is very short sighted, the precedent should be set now, and if this is it? then you should rename this game to RUNNING 514.

The current range limitations based upon some stupid computer telling me my skill has no relevance to my aim is creating stalemates between players at fixed ranges, where either side can't remove enough threat to advance or bridge ranges, and this is going to be a massive issue with more populated maps.

Grenades ranges for whatever reason where something left off the table, a more explosive packed grenade should be heavier and there fore more limited on throwing range, as it is currently assault characters can throw near twice as far as their shooting range is. Heavies is even more hilarious.

Sleek and higher explosive packed grenades should have a range limit relook, and heavies with their role should automatically have a throwing range advantage. P.S. Who said grenades needed a buff? a freaking militia grenade doing 741 damage? and a m1 same range doing 438...


****All in all everything on this patch is acceptable and even deserves mass applause even the range limitations i have been ranting about. The aiming game mechanics that have been imposed to deliberately make aiming inconsistent to slow down game play in DUST 514 is an insult. This isn't an accident, give us an accurate representation of our physical animations.

If aiming even made any sense in this patch players would be hailing CCP in mass's as genius's, and all the other issues would just be personal preference.*****

Aiming is terrible, when you try to strafe you get this delayed feeling and that is not good at all.

made it a pretty interesting game into just another another shooter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iag4oR5B3Qg

Nobody cares. Go back to CoD.

So after two days ive come to the conclusion that this game took almost everything that made it a pretty interesting game into just another another shooter. I do not know what happened or what kind of people wished the game to be in the state that it is right now. This game is not going to bring the attention of any new players in fact even more players are planning on leaving because there is nothing fun anymore.

The game has changed so much that some of us just do not feel like we are playing Dust 514 anymore, sure the graphics have improved but that is about it really. I am sure a lot of people do not enjoy this game right now including of the many reasons that i am about to list, but i am sure ccp will not give a sh*t since they already got my aurum and yours too, because honestly i dont think they give two sh*ts about the vetaran players run tanks, use hmg's, mass drivers, assault riffles, lasers because of what we are seeing i doubt they even play their game instead they give us their stupid response, "we will check the data" GTFO with that Sir! if you cant make an FPS ccp then get the hell out from the console business because if you do not make dust like it was before the same thing will happen to your game just like it happened to insomniac with the resistance series.

First is the lack of range on ALL guns, yeah i can hear the no name noobs saying the range is fine. No its not the range on the guns is redicously small, you know there is a problem when everyone in my damn squad is getting over 20 assists and that is unacceptable that means that scrubs who do not even have 2 million sp are also taking our kills i guess having over 10 million sp really means nothing anymore good job ccp.

Hit detection is horrible people just run past everything and sometimes might take over 50 bullets to kill someone.

Aiming is terrible, when you try to strafe you get this delayed feeling and that is not good at all.

Having a high amount of skills does not matter anymore.

Tanks are weak.

Nano hives are a joke you cant even use two anymore and they disappear in less than ten seconds.

Terrain is even worse

Everything just seems to look smaller, heavies look small buildings look small what happend to the building where everyone loved to camp on top of B and shoot down to the CRU why does it look smaller? look at it when you have the chance

heavies do not perform their role of defenders since their health/damage is too small and now range has been greatly f*cked which comes to the question if ccp really does play its game.


Getting a prototype suit does not really matter anymore because there is really no incentive to use one other than getting more shields but it hardly even matters now because everything has to be cqc combat against a blob of players so taking your distance does not exists anymore, cant imagine those poor new players

Horrible spawn system is back the one where you spawn in front of everyone or inside someone

since i am an AR user ill say that the burst and breach ARs are a joke and that there is really no difference on using a Duvolle from a GEK nor the killswitch anymore all of those three guns seem to do the same performance now, so there is no real motive to use a duvolle or killswitch anymore (i knew the killswitch was glitched) Now everyone is running the tac.

What happened to ambush? i know OMS has the clone count of 80 but the regular one only has 50... i can hardly get over 20 kills or any of the good players and the lack of range makes everyone rage because "us" skilled players might see some one far away lets say the L pipe all the way to E but the gun does not reach him/work anymore to get the job done. I don't know who was the genius behind all of these terrible decisions and because of that this game is at risk not just for noob players leaving but also some of the old players will start leaving too. Many of their Kdrs are dropping and i am sure they are not happy, not because of their kdr but simply because of the fact that the game is trash now, plus removing our range because ccp seems to cater to the noobs who did not stopped to realize and say HEY maybe i could do that too! and actually try to get good.

There really is not motive to keep playing this game as it stands right now other than getting SP, ccp better fix this game because they just wont be seeing new players out the door but also the couple thousand players that they have right now which i am sure 90% are vets and are greatly sad and disappointed, there is many things that are wrong with this new build which is not even funny at all. On the positive side now at least we can see how much bonus sp we have left before we run out which it wont really matter in the next couple of months if nothing is done i mean what happened to the saying "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" Dust was a great game.

We do care, none of us are here on the forums not shooting people because we would rather be.

5k players on a F2p release out of over 80 million ps3 users is screaming death of a game that we all want to succeed.

This is hoping CCP Shanghai wants to keep their jobs. and the future of the DUST project.

Use the Duvolle Tac Rifle with dmg mods it can do like 100 dmg a bullet or close.

So after two days ive come to the conclusion that this game took almost everything that made it a pretty interesting game into just another another shooter. I do not know what happened or what kind of people wished the game to be in the state that it is right now. This game is not going to bring the attention of any new players in fact even more players are planning on leaving because there is nothing fun anymore.

The game has changed so much that some of us just do not feel like we are playing Dust 514 anymore, sure the graphics have improved but that is about it really. I am sure a lot of people do not enjoy this game right now including of the many reasons that i am about to list, but i am sure ccp will not give a sh*t since they already got my aurum and yours too, because honestly i dont think they give two sh*ts about the vetaran players that run tanks, use hmg's, mass drivers, assault riffles, lasers because of what we are seeing i doubt they even play their game instead they give us their stupid response, "we will check the data" GTFO with that Sir! if you cant make an FPS ccp then get the hell out from the console business because if you do not make dust like it was before the same thing will happen to your game just like it happened to insomniac with the resistance series.

First is the lack of range on ALL guns, yeah i can hear the no name noobs saying the range is fine. No its not the range on the guns is redicously small, you know there is a problem when everyone in my damn squad is getting over 20 assists and that is unacceptable that means that scrubs who do not even have 2 million sp are also taking our kills i guess having over 10 million sp really means nothing anymore good job ccp.

Hit detection is horrible people just run past everything and sometimes might take over 50 bullets to kill someone.

Aiming is terrible, when you try to strafe you get this delayed feeling and that is not good at all.

Having a high amount of skills does not matter anymore.

Tanks are weak.

Nano hives are a joke you cant even use two anymore and they disappear in less than ten seconds.

Terrain is even worse

Everything just seems to look smaller, heavies look small buildings look small what happend to the building where everyone loved to camp on top of B and shoot down to the CRU why does it look smaller? look at it when you have the chance

heavies do not perform their role of defenders since their health/damage is too small and now range has been greatly f*cked which comes to the question if ccp really does play its game.


Getting a prototype suit does not really matter anymore because there is really no incentive to use one other than getting more shields but it hardly even matters now because everything has to be cqc combat against a blob of players so taking your distance does not exists anymore, cant imagine those poor new players

Horrible spawn system is back the one where you spawn in front of everyone or inside someone

since i am an AR user ill say that the burst and breach ARs are a joke and that there is really no difference on using a Duvolle from a GEK nor the killswitch anymore all of those three guns seem to do the same performance now, so there is no real motive to use a duvolle or killswitch anymore (i knew the killswitch was glitched) Now everyone is running the tac.

What happened to ambush? i know OMS has the clone count of 80 but the regular one only has 50... i can hardly get over 20 kills or any of the good players and the lack of range makes everyone rage because "us" skilled players might see some one far away lets say the L pipe all the way to E but the gun does not reach him/work anymore to get the job done. I don't know who was the genius behind all of these terrible decisions and because of that this game is at risk not just for noob players leaving but also some of the old players will start leaving too. Many of their Kdrs are dropping and i am sure they are not happy, not because of their kdr but simply because of the fact that the game is trash now, plus removing our range because ccp seems to cater to the noobs who did not stopped to realize and say HEY maybe i could do that too! and actually try to get good.

There really is not motive to keep playing this game as it stands right now other than getting SP, ccp better fix this game because they just wont be seeing new players out the door but also the couple thousand players that they have right now which i am sure 90% are vets and are greatly sad and disappointed, there is many things that are wrong with this new build which is not even funny at all. On the positive side now at least we can see how much bonus sp we have left before we run out which it wont really matter in the next couple of months if nothing is done i mean what happened to the saying "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" Dust was a great game.