BF3 vehicles are complete trash. 1 shot to disable (pretty much dead) a tank, proximity mines doing stupid damage, C4, Javelins to 1 shot EVERY vehicles, it's just bad.

I see threads that dropships getting OHk by a forge gun, this is what happens when RPG hit a chopper in BF3. You cant basically let people one shot someones dropship, especially iif it takes 5 round worth of gameplay just to buy one.
When it comes to tanks, peiple can still get best AV grenades without investing serious to no SP at all.
On top of that you increase turret prices by double, decrease module prices by what 10K? On tip of that you nerf our core skills "to give new tankers a chance" . I am sorry but this is the most d+¦mbest thing I have ever seen. Do you really think a new comer has a chance against a caldari logi which can stack up triple amount of a new comers health and have more DPS.
I think CCP does not know what they are doing. We will see those stup7ds who say Adapt or Die when their favorite class gets nerfed to hell.

I see threads that dropships getting OHK by A FORGE GUN, this is what happens when RPG hits a chopper in BF3. You cant basically let people one shot someones dropship, especially if it takes 5 round worth of gameplay just to buy one.
When it comes to tanks, peoplle can still get best AV grenades without investing serious to no SP at all.
On top of that you increase turret prices by double, decrease module prices by what 10K? Moreover you nerf our core skills "to give new tankers a chance" . I am sorry but this is the most d+¦mbest thing I have ever seen. Do you really think a new comer has a chance against a caldari logi which can stack up triple amount of a new comers health and have more DPS.
I think CCP does not know what they are doing. We will see those stup7ds who say Adapt or Die when their favorite class gets nerfed to hell.

And if we get vehicles that are good, what happens then?

We're back to the forums during the E3 build with TANKS514 threads all over the place, just like the AR514 threads we have now.

NO ONE will be reasonable about any of this. If you can spec into a vehicle that takes more than one player to kill, we'll have threadnaughts out the ass, people demanding refunds and respecs because they "wasted SP on AV", and nothing will have changed.

The time has long past come to realize that WE are part of the issue here. How can we expect CCP to balance their game when their Beta testers can't agree on a single thing, and are at the point of calling for nerfs to settle personal vendettas against other players, in some cases?

And if we get vehicles that are good, what happens then?

We're back to the forums during the E3 build with TANKS514 threads all over the place, just like the AR514 threads we have now.

NO ONE will be reasonable about any of this. If you can spec into a vehicle that takes more than one player to kill, we'll have threadnaughts out the ass, people demanding refunds and respecs because they "wasted SP on AV", and nothing will have changed.

The time has long past come to realize that WE are part of the issue here. How can we expect CCP to balance their game when their Beta testers can't agree on a single thing, and are at the point of calling for nerfs to settle personal vendettas against other players, in some cases?

You understand that BF3 has one of the best Infantry to vehicle balance in the game right.

You understand that BF3 has one of the best Infantry to vehicle balance in the game right.

For a game with the TTK that it has? Maybe.

For this game? That doesn't fly.

This isn't a low-TTK twitch-shooter, and AV being able to OHK vehicles while infantry players make 400 post BAWWW threads about a vehicle being able to one-shot them is not a sign of good balance.

For a game with the TTK that it has? Maybe.

For this game? That doesn't fly.

This isn't a low-TTK twitch-shooter, and AV being able to OHK vehicles while infantry players make 400 post BAWWW threads about a vehicle being able to one-shot them is not a sign of good balance.

A missile fired from a GOD DAMN TANK can only deplete half of a caldari logi's suit. Tell me about OHK ing tanks.

There are a couple misleading statements here, and some just outright incorrect.

Firstly, infantry vs infantry TTK is completely irrelevant when compared to Vehicle vs Infantry. Last time I checked blaster ripped through infantry much quicker than any BF3 tank.

Furthermore, No AV weapon in BF3 can ever OHK a vehicle... well maybe jeeps, but no one use them other than for transportation. It takes about three - four well place RPGS, and maybe two if you hit the tank in the Butt . Javelins hit hard but are easy to counter.

In BF3 you learn that a food chain exist and infantry are not on the top of it. However, you also effectively learn how to deal with it.

Have you ever put an LMG on top of your main cannon in Bf3? Apparently not, it kills infantry faster than proto blasters.

And if we get vehicles that are good, what happens then?

We're back to the forums during the E3 build with TANKS514 threads all over the place, just like the AR514 threads we have now.

NO ONE will be reasonable about any of this. If you can spec into a vehicle that takes more than one player to kill, we'll have threadnaughts out the ass, people demanding refunds and respecs because they "wasted SP on AV", and nothing will have changed.

The time has long past come to realize that WE are part of the issue here. How can we expect CCP to balance their game when their Beta testers can't agree on a single thing, and are at the point of calling for nerfs to settle personal vendettas against other players, in some cases?