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Professormohawk
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Posted - 2013.05.08 03:54:00 -
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i see why CCP says "live with your mistakes" in Eve. the passive skill system gives you time to fix your mistakes before they hatch ( i am a duster, never played eve). In Dust, its more active then Eve. I suggest a 30min grace period for skills and/or a undo button. thats all we need really.
If you see a problem with this, scream loudly
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Professormohawk
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Posted - 2013.05.08 04:01:00 -
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is this too much to ask for? |
Professormohawk
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Posted - 2013.05.08 16:20:00 -
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Mobius Kaethis wrote:Yes. Both of these suggestions are too much to ask for. Since you are allowed to use your sp to buy skills at your leisure you need to put in your due diligence and read everything you can prior to buying skills.
in EVE the time based skilling means that you need to have something in your skill cue all the time. Sometimes those skills take weeks to train which means that you can only have that skill in your cue for months. If you change your mind in the middle of skilling you loose all your progress and if you don't have a skill in your cue you loose valuable sp you could be accruing.
Dust is so much more forgiving since you get to select to spend your sp at will. Not only is this more satisfying but no sp is wasted by hording it and taking your time to do research.
Complaining about a reset that is never going to happen and just take the time to read. Also, if you make a mistake don't freak out. The sp you mistakenly spend on a skill will probably give you some advantage in the future. No skill is useless.
so super leet skillz vets never make mistakes? never go click on the wrong faction of suits or guns, overspend points? spec into vehicle mod, meaning to spec into dropsuits? i didnt ask for a total respec, i asked for 30mins to correct any mistakes. not a reset, a undo. |
Professormohawk
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Posted - 2013.05.08 18:10:00 -
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Piercing Serenity wrote:Rowley Pup wrote:Mobius Kaethis wrote:Yes. Both of these suggestions are too much to ask for. Since you are allowed to use your sp to buy skills at your leisure you need to put in your due diligence and read everything you can prior to buying skills.
in EVE the time based skilling means that you need to have something in your skill cue all the time. Sometimes those skills take weeks to train which means that you can only have that skill in your cue for months. If you change your mind in the middle of skilling you loose all your progress and if you don't have a skill in your cue you loose valuable sp you could be accruing.
Dust is so much more forgiving since you get to select to spend your sp at will. Not only is this more satisfying but no sp is wasted by hording it and taking your time to do research.
Complaining about a reset that is never going to happen and just take the time to read. Also, if you make a mistake don't freak out. The sp you mistakenly spend on a skill will probably give you some advantage in the future. No skill is useless. ^ Look at this internet tough guy. Been playing DUST longer than the rest of us and don't wanna give the newbies any room to breathe. Listen dude, no matter what you think, you're not some amazing player, its the skill disparity giving you those wins/kills. So maybe, just maybe take that into account before taking a dump on a newbie. Besides mr. toughguy, if you've been playing in the beta long enough, you have had the advantage of MULTIPLE skill resets. So let's not get all high and mighty prick. First, slow down before you condemn M+¦bius. Attacking his skill has nothing to do with an SP respec. Maybe he is better than you - gear aside. Maybe he isn't. That doesn't speak towards "Why we deserve an SP reset". Secondly, you mentioned that closed Beta testers had the benefit of skill Respecs. You are incorrect, to a large degree. We had the "benefit" of an SP wipe. After E3, all of our SP was gone. We were not in the same position we find ourselves in now. The same happened from Codex to Chromosome (As far as I can recall). So no, we have not had the "advantage" of the SP respec as it has been presented to the community as of 5/6/13. Finally, on a more fundamental level, DUST should not be about making sure every single new player is happy all the time. If you fail to read what the skill does, or do not make skill purchases with your total SP in mind, you (the player) should take full responsibility for what you skill into. At the end of Chromosome, I skilled into "Endurance" and "Vigor". I was a new player in respect to how those skills operated, but I took a gamble and spent some SP. I soon realized that my SP would have been better spent in "Hacking" because 5% more stamina was not as essential as 5% more hacking speed in corp battles. However, I was prepared to live with those "mistakes" and incorporate them into my gameplay. That what every new player will always have to do - take a chance, live and learn. To offer a take back to players who didn't do their due diligence undermines the core of DUST, EVE, and New Eden.
I aint talking a complete reset, just a undo button. to fix mistake that you catch right after making it. like specing the wrong faction of suits |
Professormohawk
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Posted - 2013.05.10 03:34:00 -
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IceStormers wrote:I agree but not 30 mins
in EvE i have often set a skill training by misclicking sure i lose a few minutes when i spot the mistake but thats all
Dust requires a lot more skill points than those few mins, you should be able to "unspend" those points as long as you have not joined a game
15 mins is more than enough, but i would be happier with it being locked once you start a battle
15, 30 mins, dont matter |
Professormohawk
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
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Posted - 2013.05.11 03:53:00 -
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Mobius Kaethis wrote:Piercing Serenity wrote:
First, slow down before you condemn M+¦bius. Attacking his skill has nothing to do with an SP respec. Maybe he is better than you - gear aside. Maybe he isn't. That doesn't speak towards "Why we deserve an SP reset".
Secondly, you mentioned that closed Beta testers had the benefit of skill Respecs. You are incorrect, to a large degree. We had the "benefit" of an SP wipe. After E3, all of our SP was gone. We were not in the same position we find ourselves in now. The same happened from Codex to Chromosome (As far as I can recall). So no, we have not had the "advantage" of the SP respec as it has been presented to the community as of 5/6/13.
Finally, on a more fundamental level, DUST should not be about making sure every single new player is happy all the time. If you fail to read what the skill does, or do not make skill purchases with your total SP in mind, you (the player) should take full responsibility for what you skill into. At the end of Chromosome, I skilled into "Endurance" and "Vigor". I was a new player in respect to how those skills operated, but I took a gamble and spent some SP. I soon realized that my SP would have been better spent in "Hacking" because 5% more stamina was not as essential as 5% more hacking speed in corp battles. However, I was prepared to live with those "mistakes" and incorporate them into my gameplay. That what every new player will always have to do - take a chance, live and learn. To offer a take back to players who didn't do their due diligence undermines the core of DUST, EVE, and New Eden.
Thank youi. Piercing. I would like to say that I am in no way a superior player, I'm probably just about average, and I make plenty of mistakes. This build alone I have made several skilling mistakes. It isn't a big deal since all those skills I've spent points in will benefit me in the long run, I'm just not happy I spent those points right now. Yes, mistakes will happen, that is part of the game and part of what will encourage us to be cautious with our sp spending and diligent with our research. Attacking me personally totally fails to counter my point that this game should have harsh penalties for making mistakes and that we shouldn't demand a reset or even a grace period just because we can't take the time to slow down, curb our enthusiasm, and make intelligent well choices based upon research we have done. I am calling for all the people asking for resets and the like to simply take ownership of their errors, notice that those errors may actually pay off in the long term, and are certainly at the worst not hurting them but simply slowing down their development in the game. It really isn't a huge deal.
i'm not talking about "i went Endurance when Hacking was more Important" mistakes, i'm talking about "I am Mininatar Logy. how is this new layout, median suit, to level 3 and its Gliante." type mistakes. and no one would force you to use, so why do you care? |
Professormohawk
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
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Posted - 2013.05.11 03:53:00 -
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CaoticFox wrote:+10
*digs atwinky from the bombshelter and airmails it to OP
IT DOES TAKE 10HOURS TO DELETE A CHARACTER
your point? |
Professormohawk
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
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Posted - 2013.05.11 03:54:00 -
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IceStormers wrote:I agree but not 30 mins
in EvE i have often set a skill training by misclicking sure i lose a few minutes when i spot the mistake but thats all
Dust requires a lot more skill points than those few mins, you should be able to "unspend" those points as long as you have not joined a game
15 mins is more than enough, but i would be happier with it being locked once you start a battle
hmm, like that battle locking |
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