DUST Search - Tac AR all over again

The dark cloud wrote:

Matakage wrote:

The dark cloud wrote:

Matakage wrote:

If you think Tac ARs are the problem, you're missing the bigger picture. The reduction of range over all weapon types is the problem. A type of weapon that is specifically focused on range coming into the spotlight is just a side-effect of that bigger problem.

The one positive thing about this issue is that we all agree that range should be increased overall. We rarely come to a consensus on anything in these forums, but we do on this issue so I imagine it will be changed soon.

Sure but shoting that thing like a SMG up close then there obviously is a problem. The TAC AR should only do like 50% more damage compared to normal AR's. But not more then double the damage.

You're only telling half the story when it comes to balancing a weapon. An assault rifle's power should be based on "damage per second" - a combination of damage per round and the rate of fire. The Tac AR should have a DPS comparable to other ARs because it has a slower rate of fire, despite doing more damage per round.

Look at the stats of the TAC AR. The possible rate of fire is 789 RPM. Normal AR's have a RPM of 750. So with a modded controller you can shot it faster, further and with more damage then with normal AR's.

Mr Zitro wrote:

Lol only took you a day XD you seem mad about the vehicle and laser nerf just saying

PG issues will be fixed and dont really care about the laser. i went full on vehicle and ive noticed that many people have no proper AV apart from militia grade. Not really mad more like pointing out obvious flaws. i give it 1-2 weeks then you will see more topics like this one. And what happends when nerf topics get spammed? They are the one who get attention from the devs and we all know about it.

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The dark cloud Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1338	Posted - 2013.05.08 02:06:00 - [1] - Quote Oh look all the modded controller scrubs are coming out of their holes again to abuse the TAC AR. Needs a nerf from what ive seen so far. To the modded controller scrubs: you are allways the reason why the tac AR gets pushed into the spotlight again. To punish the scum, every 1 who is using it will aswell get punished. The past showed us that you shouldnt abuse a certain weapon with modded hardware. i think CCP needs to add again more recoil to this weapon.
S0LlD SNAKE PLAYSTATION4 24	Posted - 2013.05.08 02:07:00 - [2] - Quote Adapt or Die
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 520	Posted - 2013.05.08 02:08:00 - [3] - Quote They should nerf the damage on all the AR. Everything else took a damage nerf. Why not the AR.
Baneus Secundi Intara Direct Action Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.05.08 02:09:00 - [4] - Quote S0LlD SNAKE wrote: Change or Die ftfy
Matakage WildCard Ninja Clan 57	Posted - 2013.05.08 02:15:00 - [5] - Quote If you think Tac ARs are the problem, you're missing the bigger picture. The reduction of range over all weapon types is the problem. A type of weapon that is specifically focused on range coming into the spotlight is just a side-effect of that bigger problem. The one positive thing about this issue is that we all agree that range should be increased overall. We rarely come to a consensus on anything in these forums, but we do on this issue so I imagine it will be changed soon.
The dark cloud Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1338	Posted - 2013.05.08 02:18:00 - [6] - Quote Matakage wrote: If you think Tac ARs are the problem, you're missing the bigger picture. The reduction of range over all weapon types is the problem. A type of weapon that is specifically focused on range coming into the spotlight is just a side-effect of that bigger problem. The one positive thing about this issue is that we all agree that range should be increased overall. We rarely come to a consensus on anything in these forums, but we do on this issue so I imagine it will be changed soon. Sure but shoting that thing like a SMG up close then there obviously is a problem. The TAC AR should only do like 50% more damage compared to normal AR's. But not more then double the damage.
TheMarkOf22 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 111	Posted - 2013.05.08 02:20:00 - [7] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: Oh look all the modded controller scrubs are coming out of their holes again to abuse the TAC AR. Needs a nerf from what ive seen so far. To the modded controller scrubs: you are allways the reason why the tac AR gets pushed into the spotlight again. To punish the scum, every 1 who is using it will aswell get punished. The past showed us that you shouldnt abuse a certain weapon with modded hardware. i think CCP needs to add again more recoil to this weapon. maybe they are better then you?
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 29	Posted - 2013.05.08 02:20:00 - [8] - Quote S0LlD SNAKE wrote: Adapt or Die This is the only thing Solid snake says it seems... Thinks hes too elite i guess.... On the other side,The game just came out, lets give it a good try before requesting nerfs/buffs... Some people need modded Hardware to get kills, its as sad as drug abusers, but well....
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 521	Posted - 2013.05.08 02:23:00 - [9] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: S0LlD SNAKE wrote: Adapt or Die This is the only thing Solid snake says it seems... Thinks hes too elite i guess.... On the other side,The game just came out, lets give it a good try before requesting nerfs/buffs... Some people need modded Hardware to get kills, its as sad as drug abusers, but well.... It's no different from AR tryhards sniping across the map with sharpshooter maxed in Chromosone the way I see it.
Thor Odinson42 Planetary Response Organization 170	Posted - 2013.05.08 02:25:00 - [10] - Quote TheMarkOf22 wrote: The dark cloud wrote: Oh look all the modded controller scrubs are coming out of their holes again to abuse the TAC AR. Needs a nerf from what ive seen so far. To the modded controller scrubs: you are allways the reason why the tac AR gets pushed into the spotlight again. To punish the scum, every 1 who is using it will aswell get punished. The past showed us that you shouldnt abuse a certain weapon with modded hardware. i think CCP needs to add again more recoil to this weapon. maybe they are better then you? I've never seen a dude able to aim while tapping the shoot button faster than humanly possible

Sete Clifton PSU GHOST SYNDICATE 110	Posted - 2013.05.08 02:26:00 - [11] - Quote As someone who sometimes uses it, I'd like to see the TAR do more damage but fire significantly slower.
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 29	Posted - 2013.05.08 02:28:00 - [12] - Quote ''It's no different from AR tryhards sniping across the map with sharpshooter maxed in Chromosone the way I see it.'' ^^^ Nuff said.
TheMarkOf22 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 111	Posted - 2013.05.08 02:31:00 - [13] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: TheMarkOf22 wrote: The dark cloud wrote: Oh look all the modded controller scrubs are coming out of their holes again to abuse the TAC AR. Needs a nerf from what ive seen so far. To the modded controller scrubs: you are allways the reason why the tac AR gets pushed into the spotlight again. To punish the scum, every 1 who is using it will aswell get punished. The past showed us that you shouldnt abuse a certain weapon with modded hardware. i think CCP needs to add again more recoil to this weapon. maybe they are better then you? I've never seen a dude able to aim while tapping the shoot button faster than humanly possible turbo controllers are worthless, i have one, and i can tap just as fast, there is no advantage for fast fire rate on a tac, you lose ammo too fast and you still have to burst to control your shots.
Matakage WildCard Ninja Clan 57	Posted - 2013.05.08 02:32:00 - [14] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: Matakage wrote: If you think Tac ARs are the problem, you're missing the bigger picture. The reduction of range over all weapon types is the problem. A type of weapon that is specifically focused on range coming into the spotlight is just a side-effect of that bigger problem. The one positive thing about this issue is that we all agree that range should be increased overall. We rarely come to a consensus on anything in these forums, but we do on this issue so I imagine it will be changed soon. Sure but shoting that thing like a SMG up close then there obviously is a problem. The TAC AR should only do like 50% more damage compared to normal AR's. But not more then double the damage. You're only telling half the story when it comes to balancing a weapon. An assault rifle's power should be based on "damage per second" - a combination of damage per round and the rate of fire. The Tac AR should have a DPS comparable to other ARs because it has a slower rate of fire, despite doing more damage per round.
Matakage WildCard Ninja Clan 57	Posted - 2013.05.08 02:33:00 - [15] - Quote Sete Clifton wrote: As someone who sometimes uses it, I'd like to see the TAR do more damage but fire significantly slower. Well, that's what you should be seeing already. If it's not like that now, it should be.
TheMarkOf22 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 111	Posted - 2013.05.08 02:33:00 - [16] - Quote mouse gives the greatest advantage on semi-auto weapons
Matakage WildCard Ninja Clan 57	Posted - 2013.05.08 02:33:00 - [17] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: S0LlD SNAKE wrote: Adapt or Die This is the only thing Solid snake says it seems... Thinks hes too elite i guess.... On the other side,The game just came out, lets give it a good try before requesting nerfs/buffs... Some people need modded Hardware to get kills, its as sad as drug abusers, but well.... https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=search&postedby=S0LlD%20SNAKE You're absolutely right! Will someone escort this guy out of the forums... like, permanently?
Mr Zitro Imperfects Negative-Feedback 535	Posted - 2013.05.08 02:38:00 - [18] - Quote Lol only took you a day XD you seem mad about the vehicle and laser nerf just saying
Ignoble Son 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 173	Posted - 2013.05.08 02:42:00 - [19] - Quote I love the Tac, and I don't use a mod controller and I am having destroy destroying people with it. I also haven't seen anything in game yet that would suggest a mod controller.
Free Beers Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1456	Posted - 2013.05.08 02:51:00 - [20] - Quote TAC this build is a high skill weapon you have to control the recoil and aim to be effective. Also as I said before I have a modded controller. I tested it yesterday and found the following. If I max the turbo I get 2 really quick shots and then to much recoil to control. If I dial it down to there I can get consecutive shots and control the recoil its not faster then me hitting R1. Also when I tested all this with a moving target its much better to just tap r1 when you want the shot because its easier to track the target because of recoil. Thats the truth for a modded controller cheater. My smg rules you all because of it. Your move dark scrub

The dark cloud Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1339	Posted - 2013.05.08 02:51:00 - [21] - Quote Matakage wrote: The dark cloud wrote: Matakage wrote: If you think Tac ARs are the problem, you're missing the bigger picture. The reduction of range over all weapon types is the problem. A type of weapon that is specifically focused on range coming into the spotlight is just a side-effect of that bigger problem. The one positive thing about this issue is that we all agree that range should be increased overall. We rarely come to a consensus on anything in these forums, but we do on this issue so I imagine it will be changed soon. Sure but shoting that thing like a SMG up close then there obviously is a problem. The TAC AR should only do like 50% more damage compared to normal AR's. But not more then double the damage. You're only telling half the story when it comes to balancing a weapon. An assault rifle's power should be based on "damage per second" - a combination of damage per round and the rate of fire. The Tac AR should have a DPS comparable to other ARs because it has a slower rate of fire, despite doing more damage per round. Look at the stats of the TAC AR. The possible rate of fire is 789 RPM. Normal AR's have a RPM of 750. So with a modded controller you can shot it faster, further and with more damage then with normal AR's.
Deluxe Edition TeamPlayers EoN. 138	Posted - 2013.05.08 02:55:00 - [22] - Quote The tac has a lot of recoil. It wins in range and looses in cqc against a skilled strafe artist. It's working as intended, stop qq'n dark cloud and l2p.
Deluxe Edition TeamPlayers EoN. 138	Posted - 2013.05.08 02:58:00 - [23] - Quote Free Beers wrote: TAC this build is a high skill weapon you have to control the recoil and aim to be effective. Also as I said before I have a modded controller. I tested it yesterday and found the following. If I max the turbo I get 2 really quick shots and then to much recoil to control. If I dial it down to there I can get consecutive shots and control the recoil its not faster then me hitting R1. Also when I tested all this with a moving target its much better to just tap r1 when you want the shot because its easier to track the target because of recoil. Thats the truth for a modded controller cheater. My smg rules you all because of it. Your move dark scrub Isn't that controller against the EULA.
ReGnUM Public Relations Imperfects Public Relations 198	Posted - 2013.05.08 03:09:00 - [24] - Quote Dark Cloud don't listen to these Forum Scum I will help you in verse: WeGÇÖve all had times, when the going gets tough The smooth ride suddenly, feels bumpy and rough The good times are gone, itGÇÖs all rather gruff You let out a sigh and exclaim GÇô GÇ£IGÇÖve had enoughGÇ¥ We are all entitled at times, to gripe and to moan WhatGÇÖs happened to my life, you say with a groan? My backpack seems weighed down, by a very big stone How do I move away, from this miserable zone? When a curved ball hits you, through a trick or a con Remember the good days, when the sun always shone Go forward with the belief, that you already have won The best advice I can give, is to keep on - keeping on
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 2768	Posted - 2013.05.08 03:37:00 - [25] - Quote Tac AR has been over-buffed. It's not modded controllers, it's an upgraded weapon. It needed a fix, but this was too much. Should have lower RoF than standard ARs if it's going to have that much more damage.
Heathen Bastard Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 251	Posted - 2013.05.08 03:39:00 - [26] - Quote Free Beers wrote: TAC this build is a high skill weapon you have to control the recoil and aim to be effective. HA! HA HA-Wait. you're serious, aren't you? yes, it takes skill to hit my scout ass twice and put me down in a millisecond with a modded controller, whereas anyone else has to get at least 6(barring pistols and snipers) Continue to act like using the most broken(currently, in a good way. give it a week-six months.) weapon makes you skillful though.
Deluxe Edition TeamPlayers EoN. 139	Posted - 2013.05.08 03:45:00 - [27] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: Tac AR has been over-buffed. It's not modded controllers, it's an upgraded weapon. It needed a fix, but this was too much. Should have lower RoF than standard ARs if it's going to have that much more damage. Lower RoF so that modded can't take advantage of it yes, other than that I believe the tac ar is fine. Nerf the damage any and the poor hit detection will ruin this gun completely.
DigiOps Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 186	Posted - 2013.05.08 04:03:00 - [28] - Quote S0LlD SNAKE wrote: Adapt or Die How does this guy have likes? Who liked this crap?
The dark cloud Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1339	Posted - 2013.05.08 04:05:00 - [29] - Quote Deluxe Edition wrote: Free Beers wrote: TAC this build is a high skill weapon you have to control the recoil and aim to be effective. Also as I said before I have a modded controller. I tested it yesterday and found the following. If I max the turbo I get 2 really quick shots and then to much recoil to control. If I dial it down to there I can get consecutive shots and control the recoil its not faster then me hitting R1. Also when I tested all this with a moving target its much better to just tap r1 when you want the shot because its easier to track the target because of recoil. Thats the truth for a modded controller cheater. My smg rules you all because of it. Your move dark scrub Isn't that controller against the EULA. Confessed and banable reason. He has the controller now and probs had it before to abuse it. On eve you get banned for using bots that give you a certain advantage or minimise the user input to the game. Modded hardware like that is not different.
General Hornet Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 57	Posted - 2013.05.08 04:19:00 - [30] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: Matakage wrote: The dark cloud wrote: Matakage wrote: If you think Tac ARs are the problem, you're missing the bigger picture. The reduction of range over all weapon types is the problem. A type of weapon that is specifically focused on range coming into the spotlight is just a side-effect of that bigger problem. The one positive thing about this issue is that we all agree that range should be increased overall. We rarely come to a consensus on anything in these forums, but we do on this issue so I imagine it will be changed soon. Sure but shoting that thing like a SMG up close then there obviously is a problem. The TAC AR should only do like 50% more damage compared to normal AR's. But not more then double the damage. You're only telling half the story when it comes to balancing a weapon. An assault rifle's power should be based on "damage per second" - a combination of damage per round and the rate of fire. The Tac AR should have a DPS comparable to other ARs because it has a slower rate of fire, despite doing more damage per round. Look at the stats of the TAC AR. The possible rate of fire is 789 RPM. Normal AR's have a RPM of 750. So with a modded controller you can shot it faster, further and with more damage then with normal AR's. Mr Zitro wrote: Lol only took you a day XD you seem mad about the vehicle and laser nerf just saying PG issues will be fixed and dont really care about the laser. i went full on vehicle and ive noticed that many people have no proper AV apart from militia grade. Not really mad more like pointing out obvious flaws. i give it 1-2 weeks then you will see more topics like this one. And what happends when nerf topics get spammed? They are the one who get attention from the devs and we all know about it. Can I get a link with ccp stating PG issues will be fixed? to my knowledge I never knew they thought it was broken. If that is the case I can hold off on spending skill points until we get another respec or PG CPU adjustment.



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