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K9 Wez
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.05.07 09:16:00 -
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Oh god I hope there will be a free or paid respec come release day because i f:ed up bad. Assault dropships are a damn joke, damn near impossible to get into a steady aim and i've been constantly flying dropships since january. The aiming is terrible, the camera keeps on reseting when aiming forcing you to constantly hold the right trigger or move the trigger forward and backwards to get a somewhat steady aim. I mean get this, shooting those big turrents are a pain and they aren't even moving, imagine a moving target.
There should be a militia assault dropship so that people don't need to spend a load of sp to get disappointed.
(End of rant)
So. who else f:ed up on respecing? |
Yay Adski
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.05.07 09:18:00 -
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Smooth Head
Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.05.07 09:18:00 -
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If you bought a Merc pack you can elect for a reset after the 14th. |
K9 Wez
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.05.07 09:18:00 -
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Oh if a dev is reading this, could you please let me know if there will be a chance to respec in the future? |
K9 Wez
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.05.07 09:19:00 -
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Smooth Head wrote:If you bought a Merc pack you can elect for a reset after the 14th. Source plssss!! :) |
Deadeye Dic
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.05.07 09:21:00 -
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I highly doubt it, but you can hope and I can be wrong. As for what Smooth said, he's wrong on two fronts, first it isn't a respec, its a refund if you bought a Merc or Aurum pack before January 22nd and secondly, CCP never said a date, although I suppose that by saying AFTER the 14th he could be right, even if it's 6 months after.....lol. |
Knight SoIaire
Better Hide R Die
273
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Posted - 2013.05.07 09:23:00 -
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K9 Wez wrote:Smooth Head wrote:If you bought a Merc pack you can elect for a reset after the 14th. Source plssss!! :)
Reset, not respec.
And yes, Assault Dropships aren't what I thought them to be either, they're practically useless. |
Tech Ohm Eaven
L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION
482
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Posted - 2013.05.07 09:38:00 -
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K9 Wez wrote:Oh god I hope there will be a free or paid respec come release day because i f:ed up bad. Assault dropships are a damn joke, damn near impossible to get into a steady aim and i've been constantly flying dropships since january. The aiming is terrible, the camera keeps on reseting when aiming forcing you to constantly hold the right trigger or move the trigger forward and backwards to get a somewhat steady aim. I mean get this, shooting those big turrents are a pain and they aren't even moving, imagine a moving target.
There should be a militia assault dropship so that people don't need to spend a load of sp to get disappointed.
(End of rant)
So. who else f:ed up on respecing?
I prefer to call it placeing skill points in worthless, useless and junk areas that were promoted to be the new thing but when push comes to shove its really a waste.
Join me in posting a thread in either feedback, bugs or both forums. |
K9 Wez
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.05.07 09:59:00 -
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So basically the chances for a respec is slim to none? |
Kirah Sommersord
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.05.07 10:01:00 -
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Why didn't they make the assault dropship have a gunner seat so someone could sit with you and shoot for you? I don't understand. |
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XXfootnoteXX
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.05.07 10:04:00 -
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I didn't realllllly mess up, but I would pay real money to redo it if I could. |
SmileB4Death
Seraphim Auxiliaries CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.05.07 10:19:00 -
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Kirah Sommersord wrote:Why didn't they make the assault dropship have a gunner seat so someone could sit with you and shoot for you? I don't understand.
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Arramakaian Eka
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.05.07 10:27:00 -
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K9 Wez wrote:So basically the chances for a respec is slim to none?
Most likely latter.
I expect respeccing to be available as an AUR purchase at some time in the future - or at least CCP will float the idea with the community. But that will take weeks, or more likely, months.
In the meantime, I'm afraid you'll have to learn to fly the new dropships, petition and plead for improvements, or start spending new SP on some other role :( |
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ChribbaX
Otherworld Enterprises Dust Control Otherworld Empire Productions
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Posted - 2013.05.07 10:39:00 -
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And this is why New Eden is so much more harsh than other places, people need to put some thought into what they are training.
As for your inability to aim, I'm sure CCP will look over that since it applies to most guns atm. |
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K9 Wez
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.05.07 11:25:00 -
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Hopeful bump that a dev might responed |
Natu Nobilis
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.05.07 11:31:00 -
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K9 Wez wrote:Oh god I hope there will be a free or paid respec come release
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So. who else f:ed up on respecing?
Hahahhaha, what kind of game do you think this is?
Choices have consequences. That-¦s why you-¦re ranting because of faield mega investments, and i still have 6m SP to invest after putting a bunch of lvl 2-3 to try things out.
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Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax. CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.05.07 11:33:00 -
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K9 Wez wrote:Smooth Head wrote:If you bought a Merc pack you can elect for a reset after the 14th. Source plssss!! :)
Release dev blog here. http://dust514.com/news/blog/2013/05/uprising-skill-point-re-spec-details/
Last paragraph. |
Natu Nobilis
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
214
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Posted - 2013.05.07 11:34:00 -
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Arramakaian Eka wrote:K9 Wez wrote:So basically the chances for a respec is slim to none? Most likely latter. I expect respeccing to be available as an AUR purchase at some time in the future - or at least CCP will float the idea with the community. But that will take weeks, or more likely, months. In the meantime, I'm afraid you'll have to learn to fly the new dropships, petition and plead for improvements, or start spending new SP on some other role :(
If they ever do something like this, they-¦ll lose respect from a NICHE playerbase that sustained them so far.
Choices have consequences, is people kittened up their spending, why should people that are investing little by little be penalized?
"Ok ok, pause pause. Let-¦s go back a little bit cause i screwed up."
I don-¦t know what kind of games you-¦ve been playing, but that-¦s not how New Eden rolls |
Greasepalms
Ahrendee Mercenaries
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Posted - 2013.05.07 11:38:00 -
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You've had the update for less than one day now, of course you're trash with the dropship. Now you can keep crying for a respect, which won't happen anytime soon btw, or, you know, actually put some effort into getting good with what you specialized on. |
Defiant Qapla
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2013.05.07 11:39:00 -
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If everyone lets ccp no they want a respec and tell them the reason plus there is alot of us they will do it. CCP listens to there players and CCP doesnt want a repeat of the past.
Im starting a vote thread find it and vote |
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Haron Vathek
Urban Mining Corp Rising Phoenix Alliance
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Posted - 2013.05.07 11:39:00 -
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I'd love being able to replace my skills, even if it costed AUR.
To be honest it seems to me like a win win situation if this gets implemented: CCP gets their money, we get our respec - everyone happy in the end.
- Haron Vathek |
BlG MAMA
Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.05.07 11:42:00 -
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yeah my character is useless as well now and another respec wont happen for sure so i wont even bother anymore with BUST514
right now i have a glitch where i cant complete character deletion
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K9 Wez
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.05.07 11:45:00 -
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Natu Nobilis wrote:Arramakaian Eka wrote:K9 Wez wrote:So basically the chances for a respec is slim to none? Most likely latter. I expect respeccing to be available as an AUR purchase at some time in the future - or at least CCP will float the idea with the community. But that will take weeks, or more likely, months. In the meantime, I'm afraid you'll have to learn to fly the new dropships, petition and plead for improvements, or start spending new SP on some other role :( If they ever do something like this, they-¦ll lose respect from a NICHE playerbase that sustained them so far. Choices have consequences, is people kittened up their spending, why should people that are investing little by little be penalized? "Ok ok, pause pause. Let-¦s go back a little bit cause i screwed up." I don-¦t know what kind of games you-¦ve been playing, but that-¦s not how New Eden rolls
Natu please calm your fanfemism down, if there had been a militia version of the ADS, there wouldn't have been an issue from me, but the fact that you have to spend a huge amount of SP just to TRY something out and not have an option to opt out it if it wasn't to ones liking doesn't seem right, especially since we are going out of beta 5/14 you'd think we would have the ability to try before buy. Oh well, whats done is done i guess. Will probably just have to HTFU and try to spend 4-5 months farming sp for something else..... You know what? Fck that |
K9 Wez
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.05.07 11:59:00 -
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Greasepalms wrote:You've had the update for less than one day now, of course you're trash with the dropship. Now you can keep crying for a respect, which won't happen anytime soon btw, or, you know, actually put some effort into getting good with what you specialized on.
This point would have been valid had i been able to try it before investing millions of sp thereby "specializing" in something that I quite frankly wish i hadn't. |
Natu Nobilis
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.05.07 12:06:00 -
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K9 Wez wrote: Natu please calm your fanfemism down, if there had been a militia version of the ADS, there wouldn't have been an issue from me, but the fact that you have to spend a huge amount of SP just to TRY something out and not have an option to opt out it if it wasn't to ones liking doesn't seem right, especially since we are going out of beta 5/14 you'd think we would have the ability to try before buy. Oh well, whats done is done i guess. Will probably just have to HTFU and try to spend 4-5 months farming sp for something else..... You know what? Fck that
It-¦s not fanfemism.
The core principle of the universe is the importance of consequences, and therefore, choices.
People from the beta won the lottery. The got a huge ammount of SP to spend, and spent it unwisely, besides all forum warning telling to go easy.
Do you need your weapon being prototype to get the feeling of it? No. Can you spend very few SP to try out weapons? Yes. Less than a week cap. Not 4-5 months.
Respec means the positive reinforcement of bad choices. "Oh, i don-¦t like the ones i made, let me go back in time and do them again"
That-¦s the whole point of the game.
Imagine the Telltale game "The Walking Dead" with unlimited time to choose for an answer.
Sonic without the frantic music when the air is running out.
X-com without the death of your highly trained Colonel
The experience with/of the game is as much, or more important than the mechanics. Mechanics you can tweak, fix and do something here and there. Experience is what makes the difference between a "Meh" game and onde that is remembered for decades.
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Natu Nobilis
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
214
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Posted - 2013.05.07 12:08:00 -
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K9 Wez wrote:[quote=Greasepalms]
This point would have been valid had i been able to try it before investing millions of sp thereby "specializing" in something that I quite frankly wish i hadn't.
Investing millions of sp Millions of sp Millions of sp
Does this ring ANY bells on what you may have done wrong ?
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K9 Wez
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.05.07 12:37:00 -
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Natu Nobilis wrote:K9 Wez wrote:[quote=Greasepalms]
This point would have been valid had i been able to try it before investing millions of sp thereby "specializing" in something that I quite frankly wish i hadn't. Investing millions of sp Millions of sp Millions of sp Does this ring ANY bells on what you may have done wrong ?
Im guessing you haven't speeced into ASD then... |
K9 Wez
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
16
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Posted - 2013.05.07 12:41:00 -
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Natu Nobilis wrote:K9 Wez wrote: Natu please calm your fanfemism down, if there had been a militia version of the ADS, there wouldn't have been an issue from me, but the fact that you have to spend a huge amount of SP just to TRY something out and not have an option to opt out it if it wasn't to ones liking doesn't seem right, especially since we are going out of beta 5/14 you'd think we would have the ability to try before buy. Oh well, whats done is done i guess. Will probably just have to HTFU and try to spend 4-5 months farming sp for something else..... You know what? Fck that
It-¦s not fanfemism. The core principle of the universe is the importance of consequences, and therefore, choices. People from the beta won the lottery. The got a huge ammount of SP to spend, and spent it unwisely, besides all forum warning telling to go easy. Do you need your weapon being prototype to get the feeling of it? No. Can you spend very few SP to try out weapons? Yes. Less than a week cap. Not 4-5 months. Respec means the positive reinforcement of bad choices. "Oh, i don-¦t like the ones i made, let me go back in time and do them again" That-¦s the whole point of the game. Imagine the Telltale game "The Walking Dead" with unlimited time to choose for an answer. Sonic without the frantic music when the air is running out. X-com without the death of your highly trained Colonel The experience with/of the game is as much, or more important than the mechanics. Mechanics you can tweak, fix and do something here and there. Experience is what makes the difference between a "Meh" game and onde that is remembered for decades.
Hmm, why dont your try to spend very "few" sp to "test" ADS and maybe you'll see were im coming from. |
Halador Osiris
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
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Posted - 2013.05.07 12:55:00 -
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Knight SoIaire wrote:... Assault Dropships aren't what I thought them to be either, they're practically useless. Their maneuverability is definitely helping out. I can deploy a 4-man squad by dive bombing them onto enemy locations, which provides a far tighter spread than how I would have had to do a drop in chromosome. Then again, I don't get war points for anything the ground troops accomplish, so why the hell do I care about dive bombing anyway? |
Natu Nobilis
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.05.07 13:02:00 -
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K9 Wez wrote:
Hmm, why dont your try to spend very "few" sp to "test" ADS and maybe you'll see were im coming from.
Yes, i-¦m aware that vehicles demand a lot of SP, specialized ones even more.
Yes, i-¦m aware that is frustrating to use a vehicle that needs further work.
What i don-¦t understand is:
1 - Why not other people do the trial and error? 2 - If we know we have a shitload of bugs on expansion day 1-2 weeks, why complain so much? 3 - If we know things will be fixed and tweaked, why complain so much? 4 - If my specialization is ADS, then i-¦ll stick with it until it gets better. I-¦ll provide feedback on what needs improvement, and i-¦ll play it because i want to play it.
You talk like things are set in stone.
And cmon, if you know it-¦s a high SP demand, you know it-¦s a risk that it will be tweaked some day, for better or worse.
The bigger issue is the avarage player that had 3-4m SP, could spend 1m of it getting basic shield/armor and lvl 1 in light and sidearm weapons, and is complaining that their lives are RUINED by the changes.
Don-¦t specialize unless you know what you-¦re getting into.
Is that so unreasonable?
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
2819
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Posted - 2013.05.07 13:06:00 -
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Knight SoIaire wrote:And yes, Assault Dropships aren't what I thought them to be either, they're practically useless.
I knew they would be because the dropship design isn't a good assault platform, with or without a front mounted turret. The way it flies doesn't support the kind of steady precise aiming that you need while still remaining mobile and activating modules, and its turret placement doesn't support focused forward fire. The idea of an assault "dropship" is silly too, since the normal dropship only needs 1 turret to be more than effective at transportation.
I think covert ships would be a MUCH better alternative to assault, scrap them and give them their own model and physics. |
Yay Adski
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.05.07 13:13:00 -
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I don't know about you but I use alt chars to do quick tests..... |
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