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Bojo The Mighty
Bojo's School of the Trades
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Posted - 2013.05.07 03:57:00 -
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Has anyone else noticed that a lot of people went straight to Prototype level gear but have minimal core skills/HP Module skills or something because I've killed quite a few Protos today, quite a few for just a few plays.
My question is why? Core skills are much more expensive, so why did some of you Prototype Suit/Gear people get right into the Proto suits when you have no beef? Some do have boosters and have plenty of SP to go around so I'm not talking at you.
I'm very curious on the mode of thought that brings a level of gear to higher priority than a stronger lesser suit. |
NeoWraith Acedia
Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire
173
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Posted - 2013.05.07 03:59:00 -
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Logis don't have much choice if they want to stay logis. |
NIIKIA
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
24
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Posted - 2013.05.07 03:59:00 -
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Bojo The Mighty wrote:Has anyone else noticed that a lot of people went straight to Prototype level gear but have minimal core skills/HP Module skills or something because I've killed quite a few Protos today, quite a few for just a few plays.
My question is why? Core skills are much more expensive, so why did some of you Prototype Suit/Gear people get right into the Proto suits when you have no beef? Some do have boosters and have plenty of SP to go around so I'm not talking at you.
I'm very curious on the mode of thought that brings a level of gear to higher priority than a stronger lesser suit. Tbqh with how the suit were nerfed on CPU and pg proto is the only way to go
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DJINN Marauder
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
532
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Posted - 2013.05.07 04:00:00 -
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I only went for proto basic. Don't have enough sp for specialization. That said, i have no shield skills. But all armor skills. Gallente scout ftw. Also complex kinetic |
Heathen Bastard
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
250
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Posted - 2013.05.07 04:01:00 -
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basically, they think the proto gear will make up for any lack of their skill.
also/or the intimidation factor of seeing proto gear on the field. remember, not all of us are hardened vets who see dollar signs printed on your forehead when they see a proto suit, some are newbies who see the "best" gear in the game and feel some modicum of fear. |
Skyhound Solbrave
Rough Riders..
10
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Posted - 2013.05.07 04:04:00 -
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NeoWraith Acedia wrote:Logis don't have much choice if they want to stay logis.
This. Especially for the Amarr ones. We can fight toe to toe with assaults, but we only get our third slot at proto |
Sylvana Nightwind
Expert Intervention Caldari State
381
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Posted - 2013.05.07 04:07:00 -
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Heathen Bastard wrote:basically, they think the proto gear will make up for any lack of their skill. Plus, they think that only proto weapon is enough to kill everyone :D it is hilarious. I am mowing them down with my assault HMG haha. |
Big miku
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
145
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Posted - 2013.05.07 04:07:00 -
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Jokes on you, I dumped all my points into Knife Skills |
Heathen Bastard
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
250
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Posted - 2013.05.07 04:11:00 -
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Sylvana Nightwind wrote:Heathen Bastard wrote:basically, they think the proto gear will make up for any lack of their skill. Plus, they think that only proto weapon is enough to kill everyone :D it is hilarious. I am mowing them down with my assault HMG haha.
standard rifle and some throat slitters(standard knives) personally, minmatar scout. |
Logi Bro
Greatness Achieved Through Training EoN.
1402
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Posted - 2013.05.07 04:13:00 -
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NeoWraith Acedia wrote:Logis don't have much choice if they want to stay logis.
Unfortunately true.
And after all that SP I spent, now I look like a damn banana. |
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Nstomper
The Sangheli
331
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Posted - 2013.05.07 04:13:00 -
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Big miku wrote:Jokes on you, I dumped all my points into Knife Skills I was going to do this but nah |
Bojo The Mighty
Bojo's School of the Trades
1106
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Posted - 2013.05.07 04:28:00 -
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DJINN Marauder wrote:I only went for proto basic. Don't have enough sp for specialization. That said, i have no shield skills. But all armor skills. Gallente scout ftw. Also complex kinetic I have Basic Level one, all shield, armor, engineering, and circuitry skills (all that give the + x%) with enough for some basic extenders and then some. Threw a little into level 4 light weapon so I can fit a Gek comfortably among all the militia substitutes.
Yeah Scout is going to be one grind to get to, and even then it's only a marginally better suit than the light basic.
But why did you just leave shield skills out? Regardless of race you would want to beef them both, one before the other though depending. As a Scout ( I guess I should start saying "Light Frame") user, you need to milk benefits to the last drop because nothing is worse numerically speaking than being the weakest.
Shield skills would help further protect your Proto investments, although armor would do better so it should come first, but still. |
General Grodd
Ahrendee Mercenaries
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Posted - 2013.05.07 04:36:00 -
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LOL I did. I put skills into amarr proto. Turns out I didn't have the sp for any weapon or dropsuit modules xP. Of course I don't really care because 90% of my skills were put into vehicle core/upgrade skills. I'll just tank till I get some sp for an HMG and other modules xP. Plus I knew I wouldn't have the patience to save up 900k sp for a suit. Lol |
Mister Porter
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
16
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Posted - 2013.05.07 06:00:00 -
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Basic frames are a pre req and everyone has lvl 5 respectively, I'm sure. And deep pockets for the moment |
Coleman Gray
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
234
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Posted - 2013.05.07 06:11:00 -
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It made me smile seein so many people go straight for proto without any supporting skills. |
Zatara Rought
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
134
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Posted - 2013.05.07 06:17:00 -
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umm it costs 700k each for level 5 of the equivalent CPU and PG upgrade...thats 1.4 mill...thats practically halfway to proto racial varient...lots of people realize the current assaults suits racial bonus's don't have enough impact to warrant 3.1 mill sp...and as others have said logi's can outperform assaults on almost every meaninful way..particularly minmatar as they don't deal with the speed penalty. |
Free Beers
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
1448
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Posted - 2013.05.07 06:18:00 -
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Lots of players just assumed they could use same suits/weapons and have their support skils just like last build. After all ccp said they would.
last build you could do okay at 2.4 mill sp and be just subproto level at about 4.8. This build you really need about 10 mill sp to compete. The added cpu/pg cost of modules has made any and all support skills primary skills this build. In reality last build i could specialize in 7.5 mill sp will take me about 18 mill sp this build. |
Magnus the Wolf
The Snack Pack
0
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Posted - 2013.05.07 06:31:00 -
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Last build I ran around a 2-3 KDR using a Scout-A build and proto SMGs (with about 2.5-4mil SP)
I skilled up to proto basic light suits and got my complex extenders. I skilled to Level 4 SMGs so far and I can't do **** to shields. I feel like the SMGs are garbage now (used to chew through shields relatively quickly and then absolutely shred armor ).
I keep getting killed by regular assault characters and each one has between 600-900 EHP. It's ridiculous the amount of HP out there now. I feel like the builds you can make have been reduced even further if you want to succeed.
Still trying to get my head around this but so far I'm sad. Not having anywhere near as much fun. |
DJINN Marauder
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
532
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Posted - 2013.05.07 06:31:00 -
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Bojo The Mighty wrote:DJINN Marauder wrote:I only went for proto basic. Don't have enough sp for specialization. That said, i have no shield skills. But all armor skills. Gallente scout ftw. Also complex kinetic I have Basic Level one, all shield, armor, engineering, and circuitry skills (all that give the + x%) with enough for some basic extenders and then some. Threw a little into level 4 light weapon so I can fit a Gek comfortably among all the militia substitutes. Yeah Scout is going to be one grind to get to, and even then it's only a marginally better suit than the light basic. But why did you just leave shield skills out? Regardless of race you would want to beef them both, one before the other though depending. As a Scout ( I guess I should start saying "Light Frame") user, you need to milk benefits to the last drop because nothing is worse numerically speaking than being the weakest. Shield skills would help further protect your Proto investments, although armor would do better so it should come first, but still. I left shield skills out simply because I realized I loved the proto Gallente light frame's mod layout.. Since it only has one high, I told my self, that shield skills would be left to last. That said i got up to lv 4 ar and lv 3 shotty instead. i have literally no sp left lol
Edit: I ofcourse got CPU to lv 3 or 4. With pg at 1 lol |
Zatara Rought
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
134
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Posted - 2013.05.07 06:32:00 -
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Free Beers wrote:Lots of players just assumed they could use same suits/weapons and have their support skils just like last build. After all ccp said they would.
last build you could do okay at 2.4 mill sp and be just subproto level at about 4.8. This build you really need about 10 mill sp to compete. The added cpu/pg cost of modules has made any and all support skills primary skills this build. In reality last build i could specialize in 7.5 mill sp will take me about 18 mill sp this build.
This build you can get a proto suit at 2 mill sp that is completely viable...as long as you just run around with m1 locus and cook them with a toxin just in case. I would guess 5 mill would do you to be okay, that'll net you a weapon with operation 5 proficiency three, maybe some other weapon skills like haldheld operation. Then you need like at least 2 mill to get some core skills. dropsuits can be competitive at frame level.
Edit: I say viable in the sense that my hit detection is ****** that resorting to m1's is your best shot...to the guy using smg's....I used them and they did better for me (toxin and no skills) than my duvolle did at close range... |
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WyrmHero1945
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
195
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Posted - 2013.05.07 06:36:00 -
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Not going proto till I get my hands on the scramber rifle. |
Jotun Hiem
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
590
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Posted - 2013.05.07 06:41:00 -
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I skilled into Amarr Large Frame Adv and Adv HMG, then I went for the basic SMG, advanced armor/repper skills and adv shield extenders.
It's... 'working' so far. The HMG is annoyingly bad, but I can make money as long as I don't get shotgunned or my foot doesn't get stuck under random crap (which seems to be happening a lot more often now). |
Rupture Reaperson
Deadly Blue Dots RISE of LEGION
118
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Posted - 2013.05.07 06:56:00 -
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I have this thing for running with 5 hi slots and a smg with 100+ bullets per clip
I guess im a sucker for that. |
Shyeer Alvarin
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
61
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Posted - 2013.05.07 07:00:00 -
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I dumped the SP into the suits right away because I -really- didn't feel like grinding 6-7 months for the SP to get into them. I don't get to cap out every week like I used to, but I can afford to play when I can and accrue passive SP to get the module skills back up.
The idea was essentially that I would have the suits available for use immediately as I unlock new/more tiers of equipment and modules. I knew exactly where I was putting 6 out of 8m of my SP the second DUST loaded and I had my skill book open. |
lowratehitman
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
534
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Posted - 2013.05.07 07:04:00 -
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Bojo The Mighty wrote:Has anyone else noticed that a lot of people went straight to Prototype level gear but have minimal core skills/HP Module skills or something because I've killed quite a few Protos today, quite a few for just a few plays.
My question is why? Core skills are much more expensive, so why did some of you Prototype Suit/Gear people get right into the Proto suits when you have no beef? Some do have boosters and have plenty of SP to go around so I'm not talking at you.
I'm very curious on the mode of thought that brings a level of gear to higher priority than a stronger lesser suit.
Very good post indeed! The reason would take a bit of honesty from the people that did this. I can only speculate as to why. I know there was a youtuber that did this and seemed to be humble after the fact that a bad choice was mad. Hopefully bad guidance was not given to others through a video or pep talk as to why it would be a good idea actually encouraging others to do this vs. actually saving their SP and playing a few days to get adjusted to the game.
I see the same GOOD players this build do the same thing that has been done in past builds....Go straight for proto and use it as a crutch first than work on core skills. Difference between than and now, is it does not seem to work anymore. I have always told people that core skills is the way to go, and I must admit, going straight for caldari logi was very tempting, but core skills have always worked for me. |
Shyeer Alvarin
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
61
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Posted - 2013.05.07 07:16:00 -
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lowratehitman wrote:Bojo The Mighty wrote:Has anyone else noticed that a lot of people went straight to Prototype level gear but have minimal core skills/HP Module skills or something because I've killed quite a few Protos today, quite a few for just a few plays.
My question is why? Core skills are much more expensive, so why did some of you Prototype Suit/Gear people get right into the Proto suits when you have no beef? Some do have boosters and have plenty of SP to go around so I'm not talking at you.
I'm very curious on the mode of thought that brings a level of gear to higher priority than a stronger lesser suit. Very good post indeed! The reason would take a bit of honesty from the people that did this. I can only speculate as to why. I know there was a youtuber that did this and seemed to be humble after the fact that a bad choice was made. Hopefully bad guidance was not given to others through a video or pep talk as to why it would be a good idea actually encouraging others to do this vs. actually saving their SP and playing a few days to get adjusted to the game. I see the same GOOD players this build do the same thing that has been done in past builds....Go straight for proto and use it as a crutch first than work on core skills. Difference between than and now, is it does not seem to work anymore. I have always told people that core skills is the way to go, and I must admit, going straight for caldari logi was very tempting, but core skills have always worked for me.
Not everyone uses it as a crutch. I'm just vain, and my girlfriend enjoys watching me run in my bumblebee yellow/black suit. Logistics/Support players like myself are restricted to single-slot equipment unless we go straight for the specializations. That's a 2m SP commitment, minimum.
I play DUST to be a team player. While I do enjoy that CCP has given some love to the Logistics class, I do feel that they should have a "low-end" Logistics variant with more equipment slots. The SP commitment for the specialized roles is staggering. I am a Logi. I equal three people on the field with my proto repair tools. As long as I keep my squad and my team alive, I am doing my job. This means providing the full suite of Triple-R equipment. Rep, Revive, and Resupply.
Still though. DUST is part of EVE. In EVE, you adapt, or you die. In DUST, we Fight Hard, or we Die Trying. |
lowratehitman
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
534
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Posted - 2013.05.07 07:36:00 -
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Shyeer Alvarin wrote:lowratehitman wrote:Bojo The Mighty wrote:Has anyone else noticed that a lot of people went straight to Prototype level gear but have minimal core skills/HP Module skills or something because I've killed quite a few Protos today, quite a few for just a few plays.
My question is why? Core skills are much more expensive, so why did some of you Prototype Suit/Gear people get right into the Proto suits when you have no beef? Some do have boosters and have plenty of SP to go around so I'm not talking at you.
I'm very curious on the mode of thought that brings a level of gear to higher priority than a stronger lesser suit. Very good post indeed! The reason would take a bit of honesty from the people that did this. I can only speculate as to why. I know there was a youtuber that did this and seemed to be humble after the fact that a bad choice was made. Hopefully bad guidance was not given to others through a video or pep talk as to why it would be a good idea actually encouraging others to do this vs. actually saving their SP and playing a few days to get adjusted to the game. I see the same GOOD players this build do the same thing that has been done in past builds....Go straight for proto and use it as a crutch first than work on core skills. Difference between than and now, is it does not seem to work anymore. I have always told people that core skills is the way to go, and I must admit, going straight for caldari logi was very tempting, but core skills have always worked for me. Not everyone uses it as a crutch. I'm just vain, and my girlfriend enjoys watching me run in my bumblebee yellow/black suit. Logistics/Support players like myself are restricted to single-slot equipment unless we go straight for the specializations. That's a 2m SP commitment, minimum. I play DUST to be a team player. While I do enjoy that CCP has given some love to the Logistics class, I do feel that they should have a "low-end" Logistics variant with more equipment slots. The SP commitment for the specialized roles is staggering. I am a Logi. I equal three people on the field with my proto repair tools. As long as I keep my squad and my team alive, I am doing my job. This means providing the full suite of Triple-R equipment. Rep, Revive, and Resupply. Still though. DUST is part of EVE. In EVE, you adapt, or you die. In DUST, we Fight Hard, or we Die Trying.
so a low end logi was 2.1 million ish to obtain. In all reality it is your sp to do with and how you choose :) |
Calamity Jane II
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
79
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Posted - 2013.05.07 07:40:00 -
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My kingdom for another 2 million sp. I have plenty of beef in proto racial suit, its getting back to the damn lvl 5 catalyzers and green regulators that kill. not to mention the last lvl of pg is an insane 777K sp. when i get that ill be a happy caldari bumble bee, or as i call my suit the "mumble bee". |
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