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Jak'Saan 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 0	Posted - 2013.05.06 23:34:00 - [1] - Quote Warning to all: shotgun has been mega nerfed. I hit a scout with 4 breach shells, hit him every time and had to finish him with SMG. At this point do you think they should just remove Shotgun all together and give us back our Skill points?
VLIGHT5 Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 28	Posted - 2013.05.06 23:37:00 - [2] - Quote Agreed, it's pretty ridiculous. It's usable, but very annoying.
Master Jaraiya Ultramarine Corp Orion Empire 7	Posted - 2013.05.06 23:38:00 - [3] - Quote Jak'Saan wrote: Warning to all: shotgun has been mega nerfed. I hit a scout with 4 breach shells, hit him every time and had to finish him with SMG. At this point do you think they should just remove Shotgun all together and give us back our Skill points? shotgun was not nerfed HMG is the ONLY weapon that was nerfed. how close were you to him? Sharpshooter skill no longer exists for any weapon.
RazielJones Algintal Core Gallente Federation 9	Posted - 2013.05.06 23:39:00 - [4] - Quote Shotgun works fine
Justin Tymes Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 80	Posted - 2013.05.06 23:39:00 - [5] - Quote Jak'Saan wrote: Warning to all: shotgun has been mega nerfed. I hit a scout with 4 breach shells, hit him every time and had to finish him with SMG. At this point do you think they should just remove Shotgun all together and give us back our Skill points? Same goes for HMG and MD, you'll have to wait in line.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 2717	Posted - 2013.05.06 23:40:00 - [6] - Quote My Militia Shotgun works just fine when I can get past the issues with actually aiming (sensitivity is so screwed it's not funny) at the target. If I'm too far from the target, it takes 2 hits, sometimes 3. If I'm at a stupid range where I used to be able to kill, but where a Shotgun really shouldn't be dealing much damage, I can unload 4 or 5 shots and still get the kill. I don't see the problem. Maybe you're just too used to Sharpshooter?
Arramakaian Eka Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 449	Posted - 2013.05.06 23:40:00 - [7] - Quote I'm having hard time killing or even damaging anyone with a shottie. I suspect it has more to do with my low skills (had them maxed out) and likely lower range like most weapons than in Chromosome, than a shotgun-specific nerf. Does aiming improve spread/damage/accuracy, or is hip fire the best option?
Justin Tymes Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 80	Posted - 2013.05.06 23:40:00 - [8] - Quote Master Jaraiya wrote: Jak'Saan wrote: Warning to all: shotgun has been mega nerfed. I hit a scout with 4 breach shells, hit him every time and had to finish him with SMG. At this point do you think they should just remove Shotgun all together and give us back our Skill points? shotgun was not nerfed HMG is the ONLY weapon that was nerfed. how close were you to him? Sharpshooter skill no longer exists for any weapon. MD doesn't exist I see.
Foundation Seldon Algintal Core Gallente Federation 37	Posted - 2013.05.06 23:49:00 - [9] - Quote My Shotgun's working fine, may need to work on the aim.
Schalac 17 DUST University Ivy League 77	Posted - 2013.05.06 23:55:00 - [10] - Quote Example Cores shotgun is pretty wicked. I don't think they were nerfed.

Mitsuko'Souma DUST514 IS GAYER THAN AIDS 29	Posted - 2013.05.06 23:57:00 - [11] - Quote My favorite playstyles have been completely destroyed: shotgun scout and sniper scout. Guess I will just become a logibro with assault rifle like everyone else.
Master Jaraiya Ultramarine Corp Orion Empire 7	Posted - 2013.05.07 00:00:00 - [12] - Quote Justin Tymes wrote: Master Jaraiya wrote: Jak'Saan wrote: Warning to all: shotgun has been mega nerfed. I hit a scout with 4 breach shells, hit him every time and had to finish him with SMG. At this point do you think they should just remove Shotgun all together and give us back our Skill points? shotgun was not nerfed HMG is the ONLY weapon that was nerfed. how close were you to him? Sharpshooter skill no longer exists for any weapon. MD doesn't exist I see. MD did not get nerfed the ONLY weapon that got nerfed was HMG HMG base damage nerf = proto does less damage than chromosome's standard HMG BASE range (not sharpshooter) nerf = HMG users must be in Shotty range to deal their nerfed damage but then get out maneuvered.
Jak'Saan 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 0	Posted - 2013.05.07 00:00:00 - [13] - Quote Guarantee it's not my aim. My Corp will vouch that I am a ninja/shark with a shotgun. My accuracy and survivability are pretty decent. Agreed I had sharpshooter before, but this gun needs it or it is useless.
Geth Massredux Defensores Doctrina 248	Posted - 2013.05.07 00:01:00 - [14] - Quote Jak'Saan wrote: Warning to all: shotgun has been mega nerfed. I hit a scout with 4 breach shells, hit him every time and had to finish him with SMG. At this point do you think they should just remove Shotgun all together and give us back our Skill points? LOL if the Shotgun are not nerfed, then this guy might of been trying to snipe with the shotgun...
Schalac 17 DUST University Ivy League 77	Posted - 2013.05.07 00:11:00 - [15] - Quote Geth Massredux wrote: Jak'Saan wrote: Warning to all: shotgun has been mega nerfed. I hit a scout with 4 breach shells, hit him every time and had to finish him with SMG. At this point do you think they should just remove Shotgun all together and give us back our Skill points? LOL if the Shotgun are not nerfed, then this guy might of been trying to snipe with the shotgun... He probably had SS 5 and SSP 4-5. Yeah that doesn't work anymore. You need to actually be in someones face with a shotty now. It still one hits most though.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 2718	Posted - 2013.05.07 00:19:00 - [16] - Quote Jak'Saan wrote: Guarantee it's not my aim. My Corp will vouch that I am a ninja/shark with a shotgun. My accuracy and survivability are pretty decent. Agreed I had sharpshooter before, but this gun needs it or it is useless. I haven't used the Breach, so I don't know if it's as short range as a normal Shotgun, but I know the Militia Shotgun works just fine where it's meant to work. And just because your aim USED to be good, doesn't mean you aren't being screwed like the rest of us by the changes in handling.
Jak'Saan 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 2	Posted - 2013.05.07 01:09:00 - [17] - Quote It should also be noted, again with Breach, I was testing with a corp-mate. At 20ft, standing still, he didn't even feel the shotgun a bit. not until 15 ft that he started to feel it. The scout I was trying to hit that took 4 breach shots and smg (all shots connected) was in relation probably about 8-10 ft away.
Oha Yo Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 44	Posted - 2013.05.08 00:19:00 - [18] - Quote this new shotgun's effective range is ridiculous.
xLTShinySidesx UNOBTANIUM INC General Tso's Alliance 39	Posted - 2013.05.08 00:27:00 - [19] - Quote I went 23-8 with a militia last night, so it's not nerfed, however, I did have some either aiming issues or hit detection issues, I hip fired it from about a foot away on a guy twice in the head and it resulted in no damage at all... This has happened a couple times when they were hacking something and I'd come up behind them and the shotty would blatantly miss when I was on target at close range. So, not nerfed.. I believe it just has some hit detection issues which might be what you were experiencing.
Nstomper The Sangheli 348	Posted - 2013.05.08 00:29:00 - [20] - Quote Havent had any problems mowing people down with the militia shotgun

Z3R0 GR4VITY HavoK Core RISE of LEGION 206	Posted - 2013.05.08 00:32:00 - [21] - Quote Shotguns seems fine to me, just the aiming in this game is off. Also, poor server stability isn't helping much either.
Musta Tornius BetaMax. CRONOS. 320	Posted - 2013.05.08 00:57:00 - [22] - Quote Well just from seeing one shotgun so far the max range has dropped by 10m but optimal is untouched. Seeing as shotguns can't really kill outside the optimal range anyway there is not much of a nerf for shotguns regarding ranges at least. Compare the old range values with whatever shotgun you are using in game to see what has changed.
NextDark Knight Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 11	Posted - 2013.05.08 01:23:00 - [23] - Quote I havent had much luck with shotguns connecting this build and miss the duck sound.
Jak'Saan 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 4	Posted - 2013.05.08 06:47:00 - [24] - Quote Right, I confirmed today, it is only the breach shotgun that was nerfed. Effective range is standard to all shotguns,with the breach's smaller spread (sucks close range), slower reload, and slower fire rate, the breach is now obsolete. For the record CRG works beautifully. I seared my lips kissing my old smoking shotgun friend as my kdr went back to normal.
Jak'Saan 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 4	Posted - 2013.05.08 06:50:00 - [25] - Quote I also miss the duck sound... though I always thought it sounded more like spitting in a tin can.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 2792	Posted - 2013.05.08 07:01:00 - [26] - Quote Jak'Saan wrote: It should also be noted, again with Breach, I was testing with a corp-mate. At distance of 20, standing still, he didn't even feel the shotgun a bit. not until 15 that he started to feel it. The scout I was trying to hit that took 4 breach shots and smg (all shots connected) was in relation probably about 8-10 away. If that's 20 according to the numbers in-game, you know those are metres, not feet, right? That makes max range 15m, which is about 50 feet. And shame about the Breach range nerf. Tighter spread and damage don't make up for the reload speed. Ouch.


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