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Drogan Reeth
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2013.05.06 23:02:00 -
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The consensus from top tier players was that heavy's and scouts needed to both be buffed compared to logi/assults.
The heavys where strong at tier1 vs tier1 assault, however would lose at proto lvl vs a well skilled assault even in close quarters. The scout suits had cpu issues that needed to be addressed.
However both the heavy dmg/range was nerfed as well as the cpu for the scout suits. This makes no sense both the classes that where under powered at proto lvl got nerfed.
I don't even feel like there is hope for anyone to listen because the buffs would need to go beyond the original levels these roles have been nerfed from. Which clearly does not compute to ccp. |
SoTa PoP
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
2209
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Posted - 2013.05.06 23:06:00 -
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Are you asking CCP to understand and consider? HAAAAA HA HA HA
I hope the people who hate negativity choke on it. CCP honestly did effectively ruin a lot of people A WEEK BEFORE MATCHES MATTERED.
Why the hell these forums aren't on fire yet is beyond me. Or why CCP isn't in here apologizing for being screw ups or at least defending there choices. I don't buy it anymore that they're looking out for the community - it's been years - we get it - you hate us. |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax. CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.05.06 23:07:00 -
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Last time we listened to the pros we had scouts that could weave inside an HMG bullet stream and not get hit at all until they got close enough to throw a remote demo charge. |
Mitsuko'Souma
DUST514 IS GAYER THAN AIDS
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Posted - 2013.05.06 23:09:00 -
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And yet the same "top" players are also crying about turn speed being implemented for mouse users, which actually is a really good idea and gives controller users a fighting chance. |
Appia Vibbia
Opus Arcana Orion Empire
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Posted - 2013.05.06 23:13:00 -
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But so many people we complaining that the SR kept killing them it wasn't fair. At least now they can know that an Advance Assault Dropsuit can take 3 hits from the Kaalakiota and survive |
Deadeye Dic
IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback
25
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Posted - 2013.05.06 23:21:00 -
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CCP is relying on numbers from some database. The issue is that these numbers are not valid because they don't take player skill into account.
Situation 1: CCP sees numbers that shows Militia Gear is seriously underpowered when compared to Proto Gear. Solution: Nerf Proto Gear and buff Militia Gear.
Situation 2: CCP sees numbers of specific class gear being used to great efficiency. Solution: Nerf Proto Gear and Buff Militia Gear.
You can replace militia gear with anything you want, the outcome is the same. At no time does or can CCP take into account player skill. All of their balance fixes are truly a shot in the dark. Sure they can look at damage numbers, they can probably compare number of hits vs misses with a specific weapon type, but they can't take into account that mouse/keyboard players have a different experience than a controller player. They can't take into account player abilities, so the solution is just to nerf high tier gear and buff low tier gear to equalize the playing field.
Now I'm fine with equalizing the players when it comes to gear. In fact I fully support it. I say get rid of all the different gear types and just have racial gear graphics that have all the same stats for any given type of gear. All assault are the same...all heavies are the same...and so on.
Then you can make the game truly about the skills that players to choose to spend SP in and you can account for player ability better. Then the only thing that has to be balanced are the skills, one against the others.
But instead, CCP has made this overly complicated game in a genre that they have zero experience with as a whole. Sure they probably have a few developers that have worked on FPS games before, in fact they have a former BF3 dev working for them, but on the whole, CCP is clueless about what makes a great FPS. They know what makes a great MMO and they are working towards that and leaving the FPS portion of the game to wild ass fly the seat of their pants adjustments to things that will never be balanced because control of the ability to use gear ultimately lies in the hands of the player. |
Drogan Reeth
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
30
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Posted - 2013.05.06 23:29:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Last time we listened to the pros we had scouts that could weave inside an HMG bullet stream and not get hit at all until they got close enough to throw a remote demo charge.
That's because of bad hit detection. That's a bug that should be fixed that has nothing to do with the scout. |
Drogan Reeth
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
30
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Posted - 2013.05.06 23:32:00 -
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Mitsuko'Souma wrote:And yet the same "top" players are also crying about turn speed being implemented for mouse users, which actually is a really good idea and gives controller users a fighting chance.
And actually that's a valid complaint. Remove the option to use mouse if they will make them unplayable or just accept mouse and joystick are different and stop trying to make them the same.
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Adaris Manpher
ZionTCD Unclaimed.
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Posted - 2013.05.06 23:33:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Last time we listened to the pros we had scouts that could weave inside an HMG bullet stream and not get hit at all until they got close enough to throw a remote demo charge. hell just got outta a match where a scout pretty much did that couldnt hit him at all and i was dead on |
Al Lopestes
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.05.06 23:35:00 -
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SoTa PoP wrote:I don't buy it anymore that they're looking out for the community - it's been years - we get it - you hate us.
Actually CCP hate the whole negativity/complainers to this forums. |
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Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star. EoN.
457
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Posted - 2013.05.06 23:36:00 -
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Vehicles are dead |
SoTa PoP
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
2209
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Posted - 2013.05.06 23:37:00 -
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Al Lopestes wrote:SoTa PoP wrote:I don't buy it anymore that they're looking out for the community - it's been years - we get it - you hate us. Actually CCP hate the whole negativity/complainers to this forums. And that explains why they simply ignore everyone. Been on IRC? They literally enter then leave the next second. Shows how passionate for us they are lol |
Mitsuko'Souma
DUST514 IS GAYER THAN AIDS
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Posted - 2013.05.06 23:40:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Vehicles are dead
actually everything is dead except for logi suits and assault rifles. |
Crash Monster
Snipers Anonymous
169
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Posted - 2013.05.06 23:40:00 -
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I'm buying a bigger tear collection cup. |
Mitsuko'Souma
DUST514 IS GAYER THAN AIDS
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Posted - 2013.05.06 23:42:00 -
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Crash Monster wrote:I'm buying a bigger tear collection cup.
get a couple of 5 gallon pails, trust me, they fill up really fast. |
Drogan Reeth
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
36
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Posted - 2013.05.06 23:47:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Vehicles are dead
Sorry I forgot to include this in the op as well. I will add it now. |
Mr Zitro
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
530
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Posted - 2013.05.06 23:54:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Last time we listened to the pros we had scouts that could weave inside an HMG bullet stream and not get hit at all until they got close enough to throw a remote demo charge. This is why he is CPM, he doesn't think for himself and is nothing more than a yes man for CCP. When CCP says jump you say how high Pathetic |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax. CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.05.06 23:57:00 -
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Mr Zitro wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Last time we listened to the pros we had scouts that could weave inside an HMG bullet stream and not get hit at all until they got close enough to throw a remote demo charge. This is why he is CPM, he doesn't think for himself and is nothing more than a yes man for CCP. When CCP says jump you say how high Pathetic
More like I see majority of the probaggers as e-peen strokers who are easily offended when encroached upon their precious toys or they flail into disbelief that they're truely not pros but in fact the weapon they have been using is a crutch? Hmmm...
While I do appreciate some pro player feed back that can admit their own weapon of choice is wrong and there is something broke about it and can come up with far better ideas on how to level the entire balance table. I refuse to listen to pros that want their corner of the table untouched. |
Selinate deux
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.05.06 23:58:00 -
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Huh.
I guess it's not so rare to walk into a game forum and see a bunch of grown men (at least I'm assuming that's what most of you are) whining like a bunch of 5 year olds, but it's been especially bad today.
Seriously, HTFU. The game is fine, and your status as "top players" is pretty much meaningless in terms of how useful your advice is compared to others. |
PAUL BERNARD
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
83
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Posted - 2013.05.07 00:15:00 -
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Selinate deux wrote:Huh.
I guess it's not so rare to walk into a game forum and see a bunch of grown men (at least I'm assuming that's what most of you are) whining like a bunch of 5 year olds, but it's been especially bad today.
Seriously, HTFU. The game is fine, and your status as "top players" is pretty much meaningless in terms of how useful your advice is compared to others. I dont know anything, so Im just going to insult people and use a term that is 1000% over played telling them to stop trying to fix a borked game. |
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Selinate deux
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.05.07 00:18:00 -
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PAUL BERNARD wrote:Selinate deux wrote:Huh.
I guess it's not so rare to walk into a game forum and see a bunch of grown men (at least I'm assuming that's what most of you are) whining like a bunch of 5 year olds, but it's been especially bad today.
Seriously, HTFU. The game is fine, and your status as "top players" is pretty much meaningless in terms of how useful your advice is compared to others. I dont know anything, so Im just going to insult people and use a term that is 1000% over played telling them to stop trying to fix a borked game.
Pathetic.
Seriously, grow a pair. The game isn't broken, I've had a few perfectly fine matches and you're just bitching because you suck now that all the skills and game mechanics have been changed around and have to figure it out again. |
Mr Zitro
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
532
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Posted - 2013.05.07 00:18:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Mr Zitro wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Last time we listened to the pros we had scouts that could weave inside an HMG bullet stream and not get hit at all until they got close enough to throw a remote demo charge. This is why he is CPM, he doesn't think for himself and is nothing more than a yes man for CCP. When CCP says jump you say how high Pathetic More like I see majority of the probaggers as e-peen strokers who are easily offended when encroached upon their precious toys or they flail into disbelief that they're truely not pros but in fact the weapon they have been using is a crutch? Hmmm... While I do appreciate some pro player feed back that can admit their own weapon of choice is wrong and there is something broke about it and can come up with far better ideas on how to level the entire balance table. I refuse to listen to pros that want their corner of the table untouched. Name a build where I wasn't better than 99% of the player base?
When you keep nerfing everything over and over you end up with this, slow gameplay and low player base. You see "elite" players getting annoyed with how they cater to people who barely play and can barely play well. Nerf a game till any 3year old kid can play and it is fair. Never put the terms FPS and fair in the same sentence
Either change this game rating to E for everyone cause it is not fair or make it just a MMO with toys and dolls. That is how stupid your argument is. |
SoTa PoP
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
2212
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Posted - 2013.05.07 00:22:00 -
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Mr Zitro wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Mr Zitro wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Last time we listened to the pros we had scouts that could weave inside an HMG bullet stream and not get hit at all until they got close enough to throw a remote demo charge. This is why he is CPM, he doesn't think for himself and is nothing more than a yes man for CCP. When CCP says jump you say how high Pathetic More like I see majority of the probaggers as e-peen strokers who are easily offended when encroached upon their precious toys or they flail into disbelief that they're truely not pros but in fact the weapon they have been using is a crutch? Hmmm... While I do appreciate some pro player feed back that can admit their own weapon of choice is wrong and there is something broke about it and can come up with far better ideas on how to level the entire balance table. I refuse to listen to pros that want their corner of the table untouched. Name a build where I wasn't better than 99% of the player base? When you keep nerfing everything over and over you end up with this, slow gameplay and low player base. You see "elite" players getting annoyed with how they cater to people who barely play and can barely play well. Nerf a game till any 3year old kid can play and it is fair. Never put the terms FPS and fair in the same sentence I actually agree with this. If we took a literal count at vets right now you might see we make up of more then 40% of whose playing right now I bet, barely 5000 in total for us all. |
Crash Monster
Snipers Anonymous
173
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Posted - 2013.05.07 00:23:00 -
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A game isn't borked just because it doesn't fit someones likes or expectations. It's not borked because weapons don't have realistic distances or because you don't kill things fast enough. It's not borked if the beta progressed people a lot faster than the release version and nobody likes no longer being pseudo elite. It's not even borked if CCP has a different view of the direction of the game than players used to certain previous games.
Short of QQing, I think everyone is interested in considered information about real issues. However, in the ocean of tears it is mighty hard to find information. Thankfully, I'm a nobody, not on the CPM or anything like that, so I can just revel in all the tears and call it like I see it. |
Crash Monster
Snipers Anonymous
173
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Posted - 2013.05.07 00:24:00 -
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Mr Zitro wrote: Name a build where I wasn't better than 99% of the player base?
LOL, way to stroke the epeen douche. |
Balzich Rotaine
Rotaine Shipping Inc
30
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Posted - 2013.05.07 00:24:00 -
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You are all noobs. This is a new build.
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Selinate deux
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
51
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Posted - 2013.05.07 00:26:00 -
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Crash Monster wrote:Mr Zitro wrote: Name a build where I wasn't better than 99% of the player base?
LOL, way to stroke the epeen douche.
Most "top players" aren't even that good when you take away the full proto gear... |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax. CRONOS.
3931
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Posted - 2013.05.07 00:29:00 -
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Oh I clearly remember Zitro posting dozens of whine threads every time we touched a toy belonging to him and he would not relent at all until we buffed it back which in most cases never seemed to happen on many of his toys. |
Polish Hammer
Conspiratus Immortalis League of Infamy
346
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Posted - 2013.05.07 00:30:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Oh I clearly remember Zitro posting dozens of whine threads every time we touched a toy belonging to him and he would not relent at all until we buffed it back which in most cases never seemed to happen on many of his toys. <3 You're my new favorite Iron Wolf. |
NeoWraith Acedia
Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire
164
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Posted - 2013.05.07 00:32:00 -
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Al Lopestes wrote:SoTa PoP wrote:I don't buy it anymore that they're looking out for the community - it's been years - we get it - you hate us. Actually CCP hate the whole negativity/complainers to this forums. There'd be far less complainers, whoops, I mean reasonable complainers, if they didn't screw things up all this time. CCP have proven themselves to be people who bring chainsaws when they need to perform open heart surgery.
Of course, most Assault users would still complain that they're not top dog and that everything else isn't enough of a support role. |
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