DUST Search - bpo's not being refunded

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Yes, the post that follows may sound like qq'ing! But I must assure people that I am not.

I just have big concerns about the claim that "we realized this would give a hugely unfair advantage to these people". Dust 514 has been promised to not be pay to win. IF you say that millions of AUR gives "a hugely unfair advantage", then you are saying that Dust 514 is pay to win.

Some people in the world are wealthy enough to easily purchase millions of AUR. To get 1 mil AUR is $500, which is for no doubt a few lucky-in-life Dust 514/EVE players easy to give up. Are you saying that these people are given "a hugely unfair advantage"? More precisely, a "hugely unfair advantage" that you are not willing to give to poorer players who happened to take a (very minimal) risk on a potential to get some of this fortune themselves that they can't match with real world funds?

I honestly don't mind the decision in general. I, like others, took the risk. If it pays off, I will be happy and gloat. If it doesn't, I've lost little. But the justification given here has very worrying implications.

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Xander Mercy SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 113	Posted - 2013.05.06 12:16:00 - [1] - Quote they're being returned CCP Eterne wrote: Hey guys, a brief update. We will not be refunding any Militia BPOs, but rather returning them to your inventory. A number of you brought up the very real possibility that people would get millions of AUR refunded because at one point they were selling for much less and after further consideration, we realized this would give a hugely unfair advantage to these people. We hope everyone understands this decision.
Vethosis Universal Allies Inc. 26	Posted - 2013.05.06 12:18:00 - [2] - Quote This is what happens when everyone has to talk, can't just keep it to yourself.
Sir Meode Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 473	Posted - 2013.05.06 12:18:00 - [3] - Quote LOL to all those who baught 100's of BPO's with the intent on getting it all back at the higher price XD
tribal wyvern ZionTCD Unclaimed. 852	Posted - 2013.05.06 12:21:00 - [4] - Quote Sir Meode wrote: LOL to all those who baught 100's of BPO's with the intent on getting it all back at the higher price XD Meh, I bought one of each. Kinda messes up my returns estimate now but never mind.
Knight SoIaire Better Hide R Die 269	Posted - 2013.05.06 12:22:00 - [5] - Quote That says Militia BPOs, SVER, RAVEN and Valor dropsuits are STD
Val'herik Dorn SyNergy Gaming EoN. 508	Posted - 2013.05.06 12:22:00 - [6] - Quote At least I don't have to buy the ones I want again...
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 1399	Posted - 2013.05.06 12:22:00 - [7] - Quote well that sucks for the people who bought them...

ChribbaX Otherworld Enterprises Dust Control Otherworld Empire Productions 360	Posted - 2013.05.06 12:23:00 - [8] - Quote Someone quickly make a DUST version of this http://eve-files.com/chribba/tractor_beam.png for the Milita BPO's! /c

tribal wyvern ZionTCD Unclaimed. 852	Posted - 2013.05.06 12:24:00 - [9] - Quote Knight SoIaire wrote: That says Militia BPOs, SVER, RAVEN and Valor dropsuits are STD Mag suits aren't being touched, along with quafe, skinweave, black eagle, officer items etc
Sha Kharn Clone Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1135	Posted - 2013.05.06 12:26:00 - [10] - Quote Sir Meode wrote: LOL to all those who baught 100's of BPO's with the intent on getting it all back at the higher price XD LOLZ

Rei Shepard Spectre II 183	Posted - 2013.05.06 12:26:00 - [11] - Quote Xander Mercy wrote: they're being returned CCP Eterne wrote: Hey guys, a brief update. We will not be refunding any Militia BPOs, but rather returning them to your inventory. A number of you brought up the very real possibility that people would get millions of AUR refunded because at one point they were selling for much less and after further consideration, we realized this would give a hugely unfair advantage to these people. We hope everyone understands this decision. Pwned!
tribal wyvern ZionTCD Unclaimed. 852	Posted - 2013.05.06 12:26:00 - [12] - Quote Xander Mercy wrote: they're being returned CCP Eterne wrote: Hey guys, a brief update. We will not be refunding any Militia BPOs, but rather returning them to your inventory. A number of you brought up the very real possibility that people would get millions of AUR refunded because at one point they were selling for much less and after further consideration, we realized this would give a hugely unfair advantage to these people. We hope everyone understands this decision. Ccp eterne!!!.....................ah I got nothin
FeaR Ace SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 23	Posted - 2013.05.06 12:27:00 - [13] - Quote Why Cant everyone just shut the **** up omg everyone talkin about how much AUR they are going to get when BPO's are refunded
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION 1422	Posted - 2013.05.06 12:27:00 - [14] - Quote Damnit, I wanted that AUR, I heard rumors about militia dropship BPO's, now I'm stuck with a load of vehicle module ones.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 413	Posted - 2013.05.06 12:33:00 - [15] - Quote Sha Kharn Clone wrote: Sir Meode wrote: LOL to all those who baught 100's of BPO's with the intent on getting it all back at the higher price XD LOLZ Cloud's gonna be pissed.
Happy Violentime OMFGZOMBIESRUN 42	Posted - 2013.05.06 13:07:00 - [16] - Quote It's gonna suck more than usual being Zion Shad today LOL
Dr Stabwounds Planetary Response Organization 34	Posted - 2013.05.06 13:15:00 - [17] - Quote LOL, that's awesome.
5aEKUXeRJGJ27kCDnDVYak5q Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 26	Posted - 2013.05.06 13:15:00 - [18] - Quote LOL
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 2712	Posted - 2013.05.06 13:17:00 - [19] - Quote I was mostly planning on re-buying the same BPOs over again, so no loss on my end.
Thor Odinson42 Planetary Response Organization 136	Posted - 2013.05.06 13:26:00 - [20] - Quote Wow, so it's okay to take advantage of a market situation on the Eve side, but apparently we've declared the Dust side to be North Korea. I didn't buy multiple copies per character, but I did buy them for two other characters that I no longer use. Congrats CCP, you now have a dude that will only use boosters. I will not use a single AUR for purchasing equipment in the market. Fair enough?

Drako Light ZionTCD Unclaimed. 14	Posted - 2013.05.06 13:31:00 - [21] - Quote Why would CCP give you guys free $! They are smarter then you think!
Waruiko DUST G I A N T EoN. 93	Posted - 2013.05.06 13:32:00 - [22] - Quote Just sell your extra copies when we get trading.
The Rohypnol Kid Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 10	Posted - 2013.05.06 13:33:00 - [23] - Quote Everyone should know bpo's are for life not just for betas
Kaze Eyrou ROGUE SPADES EoN. 156	Posted - 2013.05.06 13:35:00 - [24] - Quote Kaze Eyrou wrote: I'm sure they cooked up something NAILED IT! xD
Kaze Eyrou ROGUE SPADES EoN. 156	Posted - 2013.05.06 13:38:00 - [25] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Wow, so it's okay to take advantage of a market situation on the Eve side, but apparently we've declared the Dust side to be North Korea. I didn't buy multiple copies per character, but I did buy them for two other characters that I no longer use. Congrats CCP, you now have a dude that will only use boosters. I will not use a single AUR for purchasing equipment in the market. Fair enough? Uh... they don't care how you spend it... They have your money. Let's say for instance you decide to not spend your Aurum at all.... They still have you money...
Donnerwerk The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 5	Posted - 2013.05.06 13:41:00 - [26] - Quote Kaze Eyrou wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Wow, so it's okay to take advantage of a market situation on the Eve side, but apparently we've declared the Dust side to be North Korea. I didn't buy multiple copies per character, but I did buy them for two other characters that I no longer use. Congrats CCP, you now have a dude that will only use boosters. I will not use a single AUR for purchasing equipment in the market. Fair enough? Uh... they don't care how you spend it... They have your money. Let's say for instance you decide to not spend your Aurum at all.... They still have you money... some ppl won't get it ever... ok First grade edition of exploit using you buy 10 apples for 10 Coins after some time i come to you and tell you that 1 apple is not worth 1 coin but 10'000 Coins you need only one apple for your self how much profit have you made?
Drommy Hood Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 265	Posted - 2013.05.06 13:51:00 - [27] - Quote I ACTUALLY DID A LITTLE WEE WHEN I HEARD THIS!! Its funnier cos if those people trying to exploit the price controlled market with a little insider knowledge had kept their mouths shut CCP wouldnt have been any the wiser until it was too late lol. Well done to all the greedy people who kept their mouths shut, but to those who couldnt help but hand out some but hurt before the deed was done........ I SALUTE YOU!!!
Kaze Eyrou ROGUE SPADES EoN. 156	Posted - 2013.05.06 13:54:00 - [28] - Quote Donnerwerk wrote: Kaze Eyrou wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Wow, so it's okay to take advantage of a market situation on the Eve side, but apparently we've declared the Dust side to be North Korea. I didn't buy multiple copies per character, but I did buy them for two other characters that I no longer use. Congrats CCP, you now have a dude that will only use boosters. I will not use a single AUR for purchasing equipment in the market. Fair enough? Uh... they don't care how you spend it... They have your money. Let's say for instance you decide to not spend your Aurum at all.... They still have you money... some ppl won't get it ever... ok First grade edition of exploit using you buy 10 apples for 10 Coins after some time i come to you and tell you that 1 apple is not worth 1 coin but 10'000 Coins you need only one apple for your self how much profit have you made? So... I guess you missed this? https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=752378#post752378
Donnerwerk The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 5	Posted - 2013.05.06 13:57:00 - [29] - Quote Kaze Eyrou wrote: Donnerwerk wrote: Kaze Eyrou wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Wow, so it's okay to take advantage of a market situation on the Eve side, but apparently we've declared the Dust side to be North Korea. I didn't buy multiple copies per character, but I did buy them for two other characters that I no longer use. Congrats CCP, you now have a dude that will only use boosters. I will not use a single AUR for purchasing equipment in the market. Fair enough? Uh... they don't care how you spend it... They have your money. Let's say for instance you decide to not spend your Aurum at all.... They still have you money... some ppl won't get it ever... ok First grade edition of exploit using you buy 10 apples for 10 Coins after some time i come to you and tell you that 1 apple is not worth 1 coin but 10'000 Coins you need only one apple for your self how much profit have you made? So... I guess you missed this? https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=752378#post752378 no did not but some ppl still don't see the potential profit this could have had. Which now will not have as it got canceled last minute....
Hana-Maru Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 43	Posted - 2013.05.06 13:59:00 - [30] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Wow, so it's okay to take advantage of a market situation on the Eve side, but apparently we've declared the Dust side to be North Korea. I didn't buy multiple copies per character, but I did buy them for two other characters that I no longer use. Congrats CCP, you now have a dude that will only use boosters. I will not use a single AUR for purchasing equipment in the market. Fair enough? Sometimes market speculation pays off, sometimes it doesn't. People stocked up on BPOs with the intent of selling on the open market, when it became available, not to hold on to for refund purposes. You still have your pile of junk. You haven't lost anything. If you bought more than you personally needed with the intent of selling later then you are engaged in speculation. CCP didn't twist your arm or force you to buy AUR then trick you into spending said AUR. TL;DR: stfu, its not like you've lost anything.

birdog's duster Nevec Task Force Orbis Imperialis 13	Posted - 2013.05.06 14:04:00 - [31] - Quote Excellent news, I took advantage of the low prices to buy one of each. Now I do not have to rebuy them and they can be used for the reason they were purchased. To help out noobie corpmates until they are on their feet.
Snaps Tremor The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION 152	Posted - 2013.05.06 14:06:00 - [32] - Quote A theme emerges: Backstab, troll and gank amongst yourselves freely, but never bet against CCP directly or the QQ will flow like wine.
Drommy Hood Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 266	Posted - 2013.05.06 14:07:00 - [33] - Quote Hana-Maru wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Wow, so it's okay to take advantage of a market situation on the Eve side, but apparently we've declared the Dust side to be North Korea. I didn't buy multiple copies per character, but I did buy them for two other characters that I no longer use. Congrats CCP, you now have a dude that will only use boosters. I will not use a single AUR for purchasing equipment in the market. Fair enough? Sometimes market speculation pays off, sometimes it doesn't. People stocked up on BPOs with the intent of selling on the open market, when it became available, not to hold on to for refund purposes. You still have your pile of junk. You haven't lost anything. If you bought more than you personally needed with the intent of selling later then you are engaged in speculation. CCP didn't twist your arm or force you to buy AUR then trick you into spending said AUR. TL;DR: stfu, its not like you've lost anything. Agree'd. And comparing it to playing the market in eve is completely irrelevant. You guys who bought up the bpo's where seeking to profit from a ccp controlled market place. It had nothing to do with playing the market. You were told the prices were going up to balance gameplay, and realized that you could exploit the devs decisions. if it was a player market and prices went up because of a war, or a shortage of resources ect ect, then kudos. But because ccp changed a static price. ..... That said, ccp didnt realise their mistake untill you all blabbed about it. so well done for coming clean
Winsaucerer The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION 56	Posted - 2013.05.06 14:10:00 - [34] - Quote I just thought I'd quote what I've written in the other thread, because I'm interested to see if others think I'm missing something. Quote: Yes, the post that follows may sound like qq'ing! But I must assure people that I am not. I just have big concerns about the claim that "we realized this would give a hugely unfair advantage to these people". Dust 514 has been promised to not be pay to win. IF you say that millions of AUR gives "a hugely unfair advantage", then you are saying that Dust 514 is pay to win. Some people in the world are wealthy enough to easily purchase millions of AUR. To get 1 mil AUR is $500, which is for no doubt a few lucky-in-life Dust 514/EVE players easy to give up. Are you saying that these people are given "a hugely unfair advantage"? More precisely, a "hugely unfair advantage" that you are not willing to give to poorer players who happened to take a (very minimal) risk on a potential to get some of this fortune themselves that they can't match with real world funds? I honestly don't mind the decision in general. I, like others, took the risk. If it pays off, I will be happy and gloat. If it doesn't, I've lost little. But the justification given here has very worrying implications.
Orin the Freak Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 517	Posted - 2013.05.06 14:18:00 - [35] - Quote Here's the best part, all you guys getting your rocks off over this are just silly, lol. I was kinda hoping to get AUR, but I realized it was probably not going to happen, as it was too good to be true. At any rate, I don't think ANYONE that bought AUR BPO's back in the day for cheap was expecting to get their AUR back, let alone become bazillionaires (mostly because NO ONE KNEW THIS RESPEC WAS COMING!). Most of us were thinking once the open market comes, we will sell this stuff to penny-pinching dweebs that whine about other people buying AUR when they can't get any. So either way, we win. The only way CCP could truly screw us is if they made it so AUR items can't be sold, which would mean no boosters or BPO's for ISK... and that's just not fair to anyone. So yuck it up, lol. I will admit, I was a little distraught when I read this, but hey. w/e. I didn't spend much AUR in the first place (only got a few extras of a handful of things), and like I said, I'll still probably be able to sell them, as was my initial idea.
Goric Rumis Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 165	Posted - 2013.05.06 14:20:00 - [36] - Quote This shouldn't be much of an upset for anybody. The speculators who bought the militia BPO's were planning to sell them for ISK when the market opened. I don't think anybody was planning on getting an AUR profit when they originally bought the BPO's. So, they're still getting what they expected to get when they first made their speculations (as far as we know).
Thor Odinson42 Planetary Response Organization 137	Posted - 2013.05.06 14:22:00 - [37] - Quote Goric Rumis wrote: This shouldn't be much of an upset for anybody. The speculators who bought the militia BPO's were planning to sell them for ISK when the market opened. I don't think anybody was planning on getting an AUR profit when they originally bought the BPO's. So, they're still getting what they expected to get when they first made their speculations (as far as we know). Probably right. I'll just wait. To be honest I'd rather have the isk in the future.
Needless Sacermendor Red Fox Brigade 242	Posted - 2013.05.06 14:22:00 - [38] - Quote The thing is people who bought more than they needed could only ever have been able to make an isk profit from the sale of surplus bpos on the market when it goes live. This refund situation provided them the means to make an AUR profit which is a real money currency and against CCPs intent. Those crying about this still have their original option to make an isk profit and are pretty dumb if they thought CCP would let them make profit AUR by means of a CCP price adjustment during beta.


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