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Cat Merc
BetaMax. CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.05.05 16:43:00 -
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So I went with a Heavy Type I suit + Standard HMG and no skills into heavy weapons, to see what all the fuss is about.... Dafuq do you people want? I was shredding people left and right and didn't die once! I really don't see how its under powered.
My best guess as to why you people think so is because you expect it to be a human tank, you expect it to survive over 9000 damage and deal massive damage. Play smart, take cover, just because you're a heavy that doesn't mean you're invincible. Do that and you will do GOOD.
Also, I took down a squad of assaults in one go. I was shooting them over cover. So yeah, cover is your friend. Also in 1v1 don't complain, you either have bad aim or hit detection is screwing you over because no one could kill me 1v1. |
Veritas Vitae
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
132
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Posted - 2013.05.05 16:46:00 -
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You've never met a Mass Driver from on high then...... I feel bad for the heavies when I kill them with it. |
Cat Merc
BetaMax. CRONOS.
849
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Posted - 2013.05.05 16:46:00 -
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Veritas Vitae wrote:You've never met a Mass Driver from on high then...... I feel bad for the heavies when I kill them with it. That's more of a armor problem. Next build heavies will have same armor and shields. (405/405) |
Icy Xenosmilus
Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic
48
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Posted - 2013.05.05 16:49:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Veritas Vitae wrote:You've never met a Mass Driver from on high then...... I feel bad for the heavies when I kill them with it. That's more of a armor problem. Next build heavies will have same armor and shields. (405/405) Wtf. Base is that high? I don't know why heavies are complaining then. |
Mavado V Noriega
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
3013
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Posted - 2013.05.05 16:49:00 -
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Its more a problem with HMGs and higher end shield tanked players Pubs are easy, i started heavy as well recently and was shredding ppl cuz well most randoms in pubs still use MLT and STD gear.....start meeting ADV and PRO high shield players and ur std hmg does nothing
personally speaking with the dmg nerf and range nerf i hope hmgs have a skill to reduce dispersion a bit like others |
Marston VC
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
208
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Posted - 2013.05.05 16:52:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:So I went with a Heavy Type I suit + Standard HMG and no skills into heavy weapons, to see what all the fuss is about.... Dafuq do you people want? I was shredding people left and right and didn't die once! I really don't see how its under powered.
My best guess as to why you people think so is because you expect it to be a human tank, you expect it to survive over 9000 damage and deal massive damage. Play smart, take cover, just because you're a heavy that doesn't mean you're invincible. Do that and you will do GOOD.
Also, I took down a squad of assaults in one go. I was shooting them over cover. So yeah, cover is your friend. Also in 1v1 don't complain, you either have bad aim or hit detection is screwing you over because no one could kill me 1v1.
FINALLY!!! and how much does a suit like that cost??? like 20k.... maybe 30k??? I run the exact same suit with about 1100 hp, and 9 times out of 10 ill best a 2 v 1 situation. Mass driver guy think hes got me beat cuz im a heavy??? I just turn around, focus on him and not the blasts and next thing you know..... "poof" the mass driver is gone. Granted..... some maps are terrible for heavies like the sand m |
Anmol Singh
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
77
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Posted - 2013.05.05 16:55:00 -
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Marston VC wrote:Cat Merc wrote:So I went with a Heavy Type I suit + Standard HMG and no skills into heavy weapons, to see what all the fuss is about.... Dafuq do you people want? I was shredding people left and right and didn't die once! I really don't see how its under powered.
My best guess as to why you people think so is because you expect it to be a human tank, you expect it to survive over 9000 damage and deal massive damage. Play smart, take cover, just because you're a heavy that doesn't mean you're invincible. Do that and you will do GOOD.
Also, I took down a squad of assaults in one go. I was shooting them over cover. So yeah, cover is your friend. Also in 1v1 don't complain, you either have bad aim or hit detection is screwing you over because no one could kill me 1v1. FINALLY!!! and how much does a suit like that cost??? like 20k.... maybe 30k??? I run the exact same suit with about 1100 hp, and 9 times out of 10 ill best a 2 v 1 situation. Mass driver guy think hes got me beat cuz im a heavy??? I just turn around, focus on him and not the blasts and next thing you know..... "poof" the mass driver is gone. Granted..... some maps are terrible for heavies like the sand m
next thing you know you have 200hp and no repair... lool |
Exmaple Core
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
250
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Posted - 2013.05.05 16:59:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:So I went with a Heavy Type I suit + Standard HMG and no skills into heavy weapons, to see what all the fuss is about.... Dafuq do you people want? I was shredding people left and right and didn't die once! I really don't see how its under powered.
My best guess as to why you people think so is because you expect it to be a human tank, you expect it to survive over 9000 damage and deal massive damage. Play smart, take cover, just because you're a heavy that doesn't mean you're invincible. Do that and you will do GOOD.
Also, I took down a squad of assaults in one go. I was shooting them over cover. So yeah, cover is your friend. Also in 1v1 don't complain, you either have bad aim or hit detection is screwing you over because no one could kill me 1v1. LOL your pwning noobs? if you cant ruin miltia gear ill be concerned. i want you to play against good players. Name me any good players you were against. Btw, heavy is a viable class atm and its dead tomarrow. play it more today then try it tomarrow. |
Cat Merc
BetaMax. CRONOS.
855
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Posted - 2013.05.05 17:02:00 -
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Exmaple Core wrote:Cat Merc wrote:So I went with a Heavy Type I suit + Standard HMG and no skills into heavy weapons, to see what all the fuss is about.... Dafuq do you people want? I was shredding people left and right and didn't die once! I really don't see how its under powered.
My best guess as to why you people think so is because you expect it to be a human tank, you expect it to survive over 9000 damage and deal massive damage. Play smart, take cover, just because you're a heavy that doesn't mean you're invincible. Do that and you will do GOOD.
Also, I took down a squad of assaults in one go. I was shooting them over cover. So yeah, cover is your friend. Also in 1v1 don't complain, you either have bad aim or hit detection is screwing you over because no one could kill me 1v1. LOL your pwning noobs? if you cant ruin miltia gear ill be concerned. i want you to play against good players. Name me any good players you were against. Btw, heavy is a viable class atm and its dead tomarrow. play it more today then try it tomarrow. I went against proto gear people yes. However I don't know many names in the community so I can't tell you if I met anyone special. |
Exmaple Core
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
251
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Posted - 2013.05.05 17:08:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Exmaple Core wrote:Cat Merc wrote:So I went with a Heavy Type I suit + Standard HMG and no skills into heavy weapons, to see what all the fuss is about.... Dafuq do you people want? I was shredding people left and right and didn't die once! I really don't see how its under powered.
My best guess as to why you people think so is because you expect it to be a human tank, you expect it to survive over 9000 damage and deal massive damage. Play smart, take cover, just because you're a heavy that doesn't mean you're invincible. Do that and you will do GOOD.
Also, I took down a squad of assaults in one go. I was shooting them over cover. So yeah, cover is your friend. Also in 1v1 don't complain, you either have bad aim or hit detection is screwing you over because no one could kill me 1v1. LOL your pwning noobs? if you cant ruin miltia gear ill be concerned. i want you to play against good players. Name me any good players you were against. Btw, heavy is a viable class atm and its dead tomarrow. play it more today then try it tomarrow. I went against proto gear people yes. However I don't know many names in the community so I can't tell you if I met anyone special. pull out some names there are lot of P2W proto suits that noobs wear to stand a fighting chance sence they have no SP. i mean try a heavy against names, you can pwn in a dragonfly scout suit in a pub with terrorable players we have alllll done that before |
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Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
1381
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Posted - 2013.05.05 17:35:00 -
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lolpubgames
I can go in with a type 2 assault with exile and do just as good...what's your point? |
Cat Merc
BetaMax. CRONOS.
856
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Posted - 2013.05.05 17:40:00 -
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Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:lolpubgames I can go in with a type 2 assault with exile and do just as good...what's your point? If you do just as good with the same gear level, then its just as good ;) |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
1381
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Posted - 2013.05.05 17:45:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:lolpubgames I can go in with a type 2 assault with exile and do just as good...what's your point? If you do just as good with the same gear level, then its just as good ;)
Point is you're judging balance in lolpubs
Why don't you try out this same suit in a competitive environment? Against Proto Assault suits and AR's?
Then come back and give your little feedback. I wish I can even lend you my heavy proto suits and HMG's. You'll see just how much it shreds |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
2707
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Posted - 2013.05.05 18:03:00 -
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The problem with Heavies isn't the Standard fittings, it's the price vs. effectiveness of Prototype in comparison.
Low-tier Heavies are - if anything - slightly OP. It's when you're looking at Prototype gear vs. other Protosuits that you realise Heavies have problems.
Fortunately, the price issue is being fixed in Uprising, and the HP is being buffed a little. Remains to be seen how competitive the high-tier Heavy suits are though |
Cat Merc
BetaMax. CRONOS.
858
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Posted - 2013.05.05 18:04:00 -
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Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:lolpubgames I can go in with a type 2 assault with exile and do just as good...what's your point? If you do just as good with the same gear level, then its just as good ;) Point is you're judging balance in lolpubs Why don't you try out this same suit in a competitive environment? Against Proto Assault suits and AR's? Then come back and give your little feedback. I wish I can even lend you my heavy proto suits and HMG's. You'll see just how much it shreds Sorry, don't have the SP to get proto heavy ;) Considering I do just as well in both suits, I think it will scale upwards well. |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
1381
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Posted - 2013.05.05 18:11:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:lolpubgames I can go in with a type 2 assault with exile and do just as good...what's your point? If you do just as good with the same gear level, then its just as good ;) Point is you're judging balance in lolpubs Why don't you try out this same suit in a competitive environment? Against Proto Assault suits and AR's? Then come back and give your little feedback. I wish I can even lend you my heavy proto suits and HMG's. You'll see just how much it shreds Sorry, don't have the SP to get proto heavy ;) Considering I do just as well in both suits, I think it will scale upwards well.
And that's where you're wrong. Me and a few other heavies have posted in the feedback section about this for months. It does not scale up with other suits and classes.
It's a HUGE misconception, and people continue to judge the class based on pub games.
I think it's one of the reasons CCP decided to lower its price and make every suit cost the same, or about the same. Instead of buffing the suit to scale up with other classes, just lower the cost, and nerf the HMG.
Now you'll see allot more proto heavies, but also proto assaults. We can't compare this build to the next, so we'll have to see how it plays out this time. I don't expect much difference in competitive games, but in pubs I expect heavies will get killed allot easier. |
Gelan Corbaine
BetaMax. CRONOS.
141
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Posted - 2013.05.05 18:11:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:lolpubgames I can go in with a type 2 assault with exile and do just as good...what's your point? If you do just as good with the same gear level, then its just as good ;) Point is you're judging balance in lolpubs Why don't you try out this same suit in a competitive environment? Against Proto Assault suits and AR's? Then come back and give your little feedback. I wish I can even lend you my heavy proto suits and HMG's. You'll see just how much it shreds Sorry, don't have the SP to get proto heavy ;) Considering I do just as well in both suits, I think it will scale upwards well.
You'd be wrong.... |
Konohamaru Sarutobi
Ahrendee Mercenaries
132
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Posted - 2013.05.05 18:22:00 -
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Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:lolpubgames I can go in with a type 2 assault with exile and do just as good...what's your point? If you do just as good with the same gear level, then its just as good ;) Point is you're judging balance in lolpubs Why don't you try out this same suit in a competitive environment? Against Proto Assault suits and AR's? Then come back and give your little feedback. I wish I can even lend you my heavy proto suits and HMG's. You'll see just how much it shreds
I have not idea if you know this but HEAVIES CAN USE ANY KIND OF WEAPON. You can see:
Heavies snipers man.
Heavies AR man.
Heavies lasers man.
Heavies Mass drivers man.
Heavies FG man (who can kill anyone with one militia FG shoot).
Heavies Shotgun man.
Heavies HMG man.
You have more than 700 HP (shield+armor) without using any kind of module.
It looks like you want to have wings, take down planets with your HMG and be super saiyajin phase 4.
Why don't you try to play cover with your heavy using an AR.
Stop going with NOVA KNIFE with your heavies and you will stop cry.
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Hazed2085
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
18
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Posted - 2013.05.05 18:26:00 -
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i find the heavies to be extrememly op against militear gear,.
i started a few weeks ago ..and the heavies were giving me some serious crap. but now ive got weaponry 5 and better modules and skills i just run rings around the heavy |
SoTa PoP
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
2142
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Posted - 2013.05.05 18:28:00 -
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Cat you silly goose, we're not complaining about our trash throw away suits. Spec into everything fully and get around 6 mil and play with assaults with the same SP and keep saying you never die.
You really need to pay attention to what heavies are complaining about - we know we rock early - it's late game we start being less competitive and more camp-fodder. |
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XeroTheBigBoss
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
211
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Posted - 2013.05.05 18:44:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:So I went with a Heavy Type I suit + Standard HMG and no skills into heavy weapons, to see what all the fuss is about.... Dafuq do you people want? I was shredding people left and right and didn't die once! I really don't see how its under powered.
My best guess as to why you people think so is because you expect it to be a human tank, you expect it to survive over 9000 damage and deal massive damage. Play smart, take cover, just because you're a heavy that doesn't mean you're invincible. Do that and you will do GOOD.
Also, I took down a squad of assaults in one go. I was shooting them over cover. So yeah, cover is your friend. Also in 1v1 don't complain, you either have bad aim or hit detection is screwing you over because no one could kill me 1v1.
Pay attention fatties.. this is how you complain.. Go on! |
XeroTheBigBoss
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
211
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Posted - 2013.05.05 18:45:00 -
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Exmaple Core wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Exmaple Core wrote:Cat Merc wrote:So I went with a Heavy Type I suit + Standard HMG and no skills into heavy weapons, to see what all the fuss is about.... Dafuq do you people want? I was shredding people left and right and didn't die once! I really don't see how its under powered.
My best guess as to why you people think so is because you expect it to be a human tank, you expect it to survive over 9000 damage and deal massive damage. Play smart, take cover, just because you're a heavy that doesn't mean you're invincible. Do that and you will do GOOD.
Also, I took down a squad of assaults in one go. I was shooting them over cover. So yeah, cover is your friend. Also in 1v1 don't complain, you either have bad aim or hit detection is screwing you over because no one could kill me 1v1. LOL your pwning noobs? if you cant ruin miltia gear ill be concerned. i want you to play against good players. Name me any good players you were against. Btw, heavy is a viable class atm and its dead tomarrow. play it more today then try it tomarrow. I went against proto gear people yes. However I don't know many names in the community so I can't tell you if I met anyone special. pull out some names there are lot of P2W proto suits that noobs wear to stand a fighting chance sence they have no SP. i mean try a heavy against names, you can pwn in a dragonfly scout suit in a pub with terrorable players we have alllll done that before
You smash in your heavy suit stop acting like you don't It's easy to use. |
SoTa PoP
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
2144
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Posted - 2013.05.05 18:47:00 -
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XeroTheBigBoss wrote:Exmaple Core wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Exmaple Core wrote:Cat Merc wrote:So I went with a Heavy Type I suit + Standard HMG and no skills into heavy weapons, to see what all the fuss is about.... Dafuq do you people want? I was shredding people left and right and didn't die once! I really don't see how its under powered.
My best guess as to why you people think so is because you expect it to be a human tank, you expect it to survive over 9000 damage and deal massive damage. Play smart, take cover, just because you're a heavy that doesn't mean you're invincible. Do that and you will do GOOD.
Also, I took down a squad of assaults in one go. I was shooting them over cover. So yeah, cover is your friend. Also in 1v1 don't complain, you either have bad aim or hit detection is screwing you over because no one could kill me 1v1. LOL your pwning noobs? if you cant ruin miltia gear ill be concerned. i want you to play against good players. Name me any good players you were against. Btw, heavy is a viable class atm and its dead tomarrow. play it more today then try it tomarrow. I went against proto gear people yes. However I don't know many names in the community so I can't tell you if I met anyone special. pull out some names there are lot of P2W proto suits that noobs wear to stand a fighting chance sence they have no SP. i mean try a heavy against names, you can pwn in a dragonfly scout suit in a pub with terrorable players we have alllll done that before You smash in your heavy suit stop acting like you don't It's easy to use. XeroTheCheerleader :D Keep flipping your pom poms for heavies - we need all the support we can get! |
Cat Merc
BetaMax. CRONOS.
863
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Posted - 2013.05.05 18:56:00 -
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SoTa PoP wrote:Cat you silly goose, we're not complaining about our trash throw away suits. Spec into everything fully and get around 6 mil and play with assaults with the same SP and keep saying you never die.
You really need to pay attention to what heavies are complaining about - we know we rock early - it's late game we start being less competitive and more camp-fodder. Yeah yeah, I get it. I just didn't have the SP so I went to the closest thing I could get. |
Jotun Hiem
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
585
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Posted - 2013.05.05 19:18:00 -
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Hooray, you specced into the lowest tier suit and gun and did well with it in a pub.
Enjoy having a set of gear that doesn't hardly scale, period. Those three extra slots (two, if you don't get the Vk. 1) at proto don't make a damn difference when you look at the other suits. |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
1382
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Posted - 2013.05.05 19:34:00 -
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SoTa PoP wrote:XeroTheBigBoss wrote: You smash in your heavy suit stop acting like you don't It's easy to use.
XeroTheCheerleader :D Keep flipping your pom poms for heavies - we need all the support we can get!
I wanna see some backflips and hear some chants tbh. |
Muramasa Armads
Defensores Doctrina
6
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Posted - 2013.05.05 20:08:00 -
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You play one day in public matches and think you know all about Heavies? lmao. You should stop embarrassing Betamax with your ignorance. Heavies have always been kings of public matches especially if you're going up against militia and standard drop suits. The Heavy has always been the most overrated class because it only dominates public matches and is not useful at when you're up against better competition. The weaknesses of the Heavy have always been magnified against skilled players and organized teamwork. If you didn't die today then it's because you're going up against lousy competition and they obviously didn't give you a challenge. I have been using Heavies since last summer and I can tell you that I still haven't found a use for HMG's in upper level matches and have had more success using Forge Guns. You should have done well because Standard Heavy drop suits are over powered and allow you to max out the class quickly. I have used the Type-II Heavy drop suit this entire build and have been surprised at how effective and reliable the suit is. |
Geth Massredux
Defensores Doctrina
230
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Posted - 2013.05.05 20:16:00 -
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Well its because they think the Heavys are Tanks. Well some think that are getting gunned by ar's clearly because they were running solo. Not knowing you should never run a heavy solo. Then they ask for a buff for Heavys and now people are calling ar 514 Dafuq is with that
I say we have some dumb ass people playing the free2play game GTFO |
Big miku
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
137
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Posted - 2013.05.05 20:23:00 -
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So you shredded some randoms in a match with a Heavy suit? I've been running Heavy since day one open beta, and of course you get those games that just go perfectly, no team work, militia gear guys just running at you, one on one assaults all game.
Then you get those games with coordinated squads that focus fire on you and destroy you from 60m, you are forced to play hide and seek and can barely scrape any kills because everyone has an eye out for you. Those games where your Heavy suit is actually bringing your squad down because you can't keep pace and have to constantly run and stay in cover because AR #1354 saw you and took down your HP by 3/4 because you're too slow to get in cover in time.
You see the problem has been poor teamwork all along. Niggaz running solo expecting to 1v1 an HMG in any situation are the main QQs, the guys who like to run up on the spawns but get caught out in the open by that random heavy from 40m.
Teamwork and commonsense needs to be buffed imo. |
CaoticFox
Axis of Chaos
3
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Posted - 2013.05.05 20:55:00 -
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wow... a WHOLE thread bringing nothing but whining about a FATSUIT's kdr... lol... any1 happy with the AV grenades? a FG that can kill a proto hvy OHK no sp allocation required? how bout that DS (600k+) u all used to insert urself into PROTOFIRE, that guy at the bottom with 0sp earned for carrying u & distracting AV fire AWAY from ur SAGARIS? or that guy 0-9 thats sp acrual is on a timer (the guy repping the FATSUIT providing ammo/droplinks/as well as saving U 120k ISK per suit, while losing his (9)100k ISK suits? ? ? ? |
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Chinduko
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
31
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Posted - 2013.05.05 21:28:00 -
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Mavado V Noriega wrote:Its more a problem with HMGs and higher end shield tanked players Pubs are easy, i started heavy as well recently and was shredding ppl cuz well most randoms in pubs still use MLT and STD gear.....start meeting ADV and PRO high shield players and ur std hmg does nothing
personally speaking with the dmg nerf and range nerf i hope hmgs have a skill to reduce dispersion a bit like others
Mavado and many others hit it on the head. Pub stomping is easy and doesn't count to skill. Corp battles and planetary conquest are where you'll have to be able to perform. They don't simply roll over and die in corp matches and planetary conquest is likely to be just as challenging.
It's when players start using higher tech that the heavy falls short no matter how high tech the heavy gear is. |
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