I sure as hell hope it is.... but knowing how good its going to be idk if its worth skilling Into.

We might actually have a LOGI QQ thread jusy from this suite..... lolz

Lulz. Would make my day to see a "Logi OP?" thread..

I love my assault vk.1. With that said can anyone tell me how any new assault suite is better than tje caldari logi ck.o?

(Stats from memory)

390 cpu
70 pg
180 shields
110 armor?
4 sec recharge delay
6 sec depleted recharge delay.... wow
5 highs
4 lows
3 equip
1 light wep
1 grenade

If any of the stats are wrong please correct me. Also I believe the racial bonus actually gives you more shields?

Cons

Larger hit box ( more health though)

Slower ( 4 lows -¦--¦)

Yellow not a con for me but does draw attention.

I would like to discuss if this logi suite is the new shield tank dmg monster....

78 PG, 90 Armor on the logi


Assault Ck.0
Is:
300/60 CPU/PG
210 Shields
120 Armor
Shield Delays are 5s, and 8s, but the shield regen is 25/s instead of 20/s like the logi
sprint duration and stamina recovery are higher..
It also gets a Sidearm slot.

Racial logi bonus gives you more shields, but only on shield extenders. Racial Assault bonus improves Hybrid reload speed, which would stack with the weapon reload skills I guess.

Well, filling out equipment slots on the Logi will remove most of that PG/CPU advantage. It's there in the first place so the Logi can actually manage to fit equipment. Otherwise... what's the point. The PG/CPU difference isn't huge, but the Logi has 2 more equips and 2 more module slots to fill with it. It's not as overpowering in that context.

The HP on the Assault is higher, and that's X PG/CPU for the logi to even out that difference with modules, and would probably remove that advantage.

Honestly, I think the speed, sidearm flexibility (if you've never played a logi before, being stuck with one weapon is a huge issue), and the marginal reload bonus will make the assault better in combat. Logi can get higher shields with their racial bonus, but both classes will get wiped out by a single rank 1 flux grenade. The new scrambler rifle will also rip through their shields.

Having the sidearm slot is the difference between having a swarm launcher and nothing else, and being able to swap to an SMG when you get rushed. Being faster is the difference between getting out the line of fire, strafing well, or get gunned down. You can't fix base movement with kinetic cats, just sprint speed.

They've also separated most of the equipment skills up, so a Logi that actually bothers getting equipment skills has a potentially large SP sink vs. an assault focused on combat skills.

I think you'd have a better case for the Amarr Logi potentially being better than the Amarr assault, as the Amarr logi does get a sidearm, and other benefits.

Thanks for the update, but can you honestly say the assault ck.o is better than the logi ck.0?

Sure slower, less stam, shield recharge rate is also slower but.... 5 high and 4 lows fix all of those problems and more....

Im a Logi and even i think Logis may on paper be OP next build, but then again who really knows. I dont think lack of sidearm is that big a setback and the amarr logi gets one, but ive seen a few argue that the amarr logi sucks because the addition of a sidearm isnt worth the lack of module slots and ability to build effective enough tank. That to me tactily implies people dont view a lack of sidearm as that big a drawback given how you can use the modules slots to create a balanced taank and dmg build combining SE, Plates, and Dmg mods.

I love my assault vk.1. With that said can anyone tell me how any new assault suite is better than tje caldari logi ck.o?

(Stats from memory)

390 cpu
70 pg
180 shields
110 armor?
4 sec recharge delay
6 sec depleted recharge delay.... wow
5 highs
4 lows
3 equip
1 light wep
1 grenade

If any of the stats are wrong please correct me. Also I believe the racial bonus actually gives you more shields?

Cons

Larger hit box ( more health though)

Slower ( 4 lows -¦--¦)

Yellow not a con for me but does draw attention.

I would like to discuss if this logi suite is the new shield tank dmg monster....

Flux. Should I really say more? Supposedly Mass Drivers and grenades work more properly in Uprising, I doubt flux is exempt from this. So if you think theyre bad now, have fun in Uprising with your cool ubershield tanked suit.

I love my assault vk.1. With that said can anyone tell me how any new assault suite is better than tje caldari logi ck.o?

(Stats from memory)

390 cpu
70 pg
180 shields
110 armor?
4 sec recharge delay
6 sec depleted recharge delay.... wow
5 highs
4 lows
3 equip
1 light wep
1 grenade

If any of the stats are wrong please correct me. Also I believe the racial bonus actually gives you more shields?

Cons

Larger hit box ( more health though)

Slower ( 4 lows -¦--¦)

Yellow not a con for me but does draw attention.

I would like to discuss if this logi suite is the new shield tank dmg monster....

I love my assault vk.1. With that said can anyone tell me how any new assault suite is better than tje caldari logi ck.o?

(Stats from memory)

390 cpu
70 pg
180 shields
110 armor?
4 sec recharge delay
6 sec depleted recharge delay.... wow
5 highs
4 lows
3 equip
1 light wep
1 grenade

If any of the stats are wrong please correct me. Also I believe the racial bonus actually gives you more shields?

Cons

Larger hit box ( more health though)

Slower ( 4 lows -¦--¦)

Yellow not a con for me but does draw attention.

I would like to discuss if this logi suite is the new shield tank dmg monster....

Cons

Larger hit box ( more health though)

An assault having a sidearm slot (or the Amarr Logi for that matter) means things like lasers, sniper rifles, and swarms can be viable without crippling you. A logi with a swarm is dead man walking if anything that isn't a vehicle attacks him. A logi with a laser is crippled outside of the optimum range. A logi sniper that gets surprised has to either get a lucky grenade kill or a point blank sniper-kill.

I dunno, as when I use swarms with an assault, I am extremely vulnerable even with a sidearm as I get easily outgunned by anybody with an AR, shotgun or HMG. Scrambler pistol or SMG as mains make little difference in my experience.

However I haven't really put any SP into sidearm stuff, so maybe that is my problem. But as an assault player who mainly uses AR's, I only use sidearms as a last-resort backup item only. Using them as mains never seems to turn out well when I rock AV assault (or even laser). Only real advantage to having a sidearm with swarms, is the ability to switch weapons and run 1.5x's faster. But as a means of adequate defense? I have yet to experience that (although I did try breach in Codex, and that actually fared quite well).