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slypie11
Planetary Response Organisation
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Posted - 2013.05.04 17:47:00 -
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According to all the QQ, CCp pretty much messed up on every level. They nerfed HMGs, the sole anti-infantry heavy weapon that was already pretty bad, they super nerfed tanks, which were pretty imbalanced and are now really imbalanced, they made proto suits cost 5 mil sp or more, locking casual players out of proto fits and consequently PC for a long time and worsening pub stomps, and I think they nerfed the AR into complete trash. We all know the AR was OP, but was destroying it necessary. There are a lot of good things coming in uprising, but a lot of really dumb stuff as well. I'll wait until it comes out and see exactly how bad thing are and I will be listening to the forums for tears of sadness/relief. |
Green Living
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
170
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Posted - 2013.05.04 17:49:00 -
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Doom and gloom threads before a new build, haven't seen this before. |
low genius
The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance
34
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Posted - 2013.05.04 17:49:00 -
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slypie11 wrote:According to all the QQ, CCp pretty much messed up on every level. They nerfed HMGs, the sole anti-infantry heavy weapon that was already pretty bad, they super nerfed tanks, which were pretty imbalanced and are now really imbalanced, they made proto suits cost 5 mil sp or more, locking casual players out of proto fits and consequently PC for a long time and worsening pub stomps, and I think they nerfed the AR into complete trash. We all know the AR was OP, but was destroying it necessary. There are a lot of good things coming in uprising, but a lot of really dumb stuff as well. I'll wait until it comes out and see exactly how bad thing are and I will be listening to the forums for tears of sadness/relief.
there are still guys in 'pro'? |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax. CRONOS.
1372
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Posted - 2013.05.04 17:50:00 -
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slypie11 wrote:According to all the QQ, CCp pretty much messed up on every level. They nerfed HMGs, the sole anti-infantry heavy weapon that was already pretty bad, they super nerfed tanks, which were pretty imbalanced and are now really imbalanced, they made proto suits cost 5 mil sp or more, locking casual players out of proto fits and consequently PC for a long time and worsening pub stomps, and I think they nerfed the AR into complete trash. We all know the AR was OP, but was destroying it necessary. There are a lot of good things coming in uprising, but a lot of really dumb stuff as well. I'll wait until it comes out and see exactly how bad thing are and I will be listening to the forums for tears of sadness/relief. ONE change was made, and that was the removal of the range bonus from Sharpshooter. The AR wasn't even TOUCHED. That means ALL weapons lost that bonus across the board, NOT just the AR.
Think before posting, please. |
Nstomper
Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State
275
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Posted - 2013.05.04 17:51:00 -
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Like ive said complainng about a build you havent even played yet what sense does that make? |
Phoenix Arakyd
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
13
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Posted - 2013.05.04 17:52:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:slypie11 wrote:According to all the QQ, CCp pretty much messed up on every level. They nerfed HMGs, the sole anti-infantry heavy weapon that was already pretty bad, they super nerfed tanks, which were pretty imbalanced and are now really imbalanced, they made proto suits cost 5 mil sp or more, locking casual players out of proto fits and consequently PC for a long time and worsening pub stomps, and I think they nerfed the AR into complete trash. We all know the AR was OP, but was destroying it necessary. There are a lot of good things coming in uprising, but a lot of really dumb stuff as well. I'll wait until it comes out and see exactly how bad thing are and I will be listening to the forums for tears of sadness/relief. ONE change was made, and that was the removal of the range bonus from Sharpshooter. The AR wasn't even TOUCHED. That means ALL weapons lost that bonus across the board, NOT just the AR. Think before posting, please.
Heavy weapon SS got removed, and then a nerf was applied to the HMG. CCP doesnt want heavies. |
Grezkev
The Red Guards EoN.
203
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Posted - 2013.05.04 17:52:00 -
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Nstomper wrote:Like ive said complainng about a build you havent even played yet what sense does that make?
Complaining about a free game at all is kinda 'lol' |
Galdor Seregon
L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION
28
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Posted - 2013.05.04 17:53:00 -
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slypie11 wrote: they made proto suits cost 5 mil sp or more.
Might want to check your facts before posting, proto suits as of the current build are x8, uprising they are x6 skills, the new race specific suits cost more because they are more than what we could have now |
Sylvana Nightwind
Expert Intervention Caldari State
351
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Posted - 2013.05.04 17:54:00 -
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You haven't seen EVERY 3 days before EVERY patch on these forums? Chromosome, Codex, they were all fails as well :) |
slypie11
Planetary Response Organisation
254
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Posted - 2013.05.04 17:54:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:slypie11 wrote:According to all the QQ, CCp pretty much messed up on every level. They nerfed HMGs, the sole anti-infantry heavy weapon that was already pretty bad, they super nerfed tanks, which were pretty imbalanced and are now really imbalanced, they made proto suits cost 5 mil sp or more, locking casual players out of proto fits and consequently PC for a long time and worsening pub stomps, and I think they nerfed the AR into complete trash. We all know the AR was OP, but was destroying it necessary. There are a lot of good things coming in uprising, but a lot of really dumb stuff as well. I'll wait until it comes out and see exactly how bad thing are and I will be listening to the forums for tears of sadness/relief. ONE change was made, and that was the removal of the range bonus from Sharpshooter. The AR wasn't even TOUCHED. That means ALL weapons lost that bonus across the board, NOT just the AR. Think before posting, please. Without SS, AR has a 50m range. It sux now |
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Val'herik Dorn
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
495
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Posted - 2013.05.04 17:54:00 -
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You think this is bad... three ships in eve got changed and spawned 116 page long threadnaught... three ships out of like a hundred...
Eve players qq just as bad but they've had 10 years to see CCP deliever. |
slypie11
Planetary Response Organisation
254
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Posted - 2013.05.04 17:55:00 -
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Galdor Seregon wrote:slypie11 wrote: they made proto suits cost 5 mil sp or more. Might want to check your facts before posting, proto suits as of the current build are x8, uprising they are x6 skills, the new race specific suits cost more because they are more than what we could have now what do they even do? |
dent 308
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1292
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Posted - 2013.05.04 17:57:00 -
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Gallante AR is a blaster weapon, short optimal high damage. Actually I don't care, can i have your stuff? |
Jotun Hiem
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
577
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Posted - 2013.05.04 17:58:00 -
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I don't even really mind the SP change.
The game's supposed to be a long-haul type of deal, it's hard to have that type of game when you're players are all running proto at the end of the first month.
I just can't understand the nerf to the HMG. I mean, I simply can't find a reason to nerf the HMG anymore than it already has been, it's lackluster now, but almost any downward tweaking to its damage is going to be a significant change seeing as it only puts out 16 damage per hit. |
slypie11
Planetary Response Organisation
254
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Posted - 2013.05.04 17:58:00 -
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dent 308 wrote:Gallante AR is a blaster weapon, short optimal high damage. Actually I don't care, can i have your stuff? Don't worry bro, not leavin yet. I know you wouldn't survive without me |
Ion Crush
Militaires-Sans-Frontieres
47
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Posted - 2013.05.04 18:05:00 -
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People just don't want to have to change their play style. |
Joey-Number1
Maniacal Miners INC The Omega Industries
38
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Posted - 2013.05.04 18:09:00 -
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Btw Gallent Assault Rifles ARE supposed to be close range because they are blasters, same thing with blaster is in eve.. they are purely close range weapons but deal huge amounts of dmg at that range. Also ARs are one of the two weapons that have sharpshooting skill which I dont know what is increasing. |
low genius
The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance
36
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Posted - 2013.05.04 18:13:00 -
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Val'herik Dorn wrote:You think this is bad... three ships in eve got changed and spawned 116 page long threadnaught... three ships out of like a hundred...
Eve players qq just as bad but they've had 10 years to see CCP deliever.
this is surprisingly accurate. |
Sgt Buttscratch
G I A N T EoN.
15
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Posted - 2013.05.04 18:14:00 -
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Green Living wrote:Doom and gloom threads before a new build, haven't seen this before. QFT!! |
steadyhand amarr
The Red Apple
449
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Posted - 2013.05.04 18:14:00 -
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Dont pay attention to the fourms CCP have not screwed up their are just a lot of people who are annoyed/upset/trolling that their I win butions have been taken away.
the shift to more players will dramatically alter how people play this game so all this whining is completely pointless/ What does supprise me is the number of vets trying so hard to kill this game with bad worth of mouth, they never try and find the good thing and just nit pick the bad.
why dont you people try enojying the game for once rather walking around like your gods gift to gaming |
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slypie11
Planetary Response Organisation
256
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Posted - 2013.05.04 18:35:00 -
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Ion Crush wrote:People just don't want to have to change their play style. Well, the whole point of classes and the fittings system is to give players the freedom to chose their own playstyle. |
Himiko Kuronaga
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
261
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Posted - 2013.05.04 20:41:00 -
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slypie11 wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:slypie11 wrote:According to all the QQ, CCp pretty much messed up on every level. They nerfed HMGs, the sole anti-infantry heavy weapon that was already pretty bad, they super nerfed tanks, which were pretty imbalanced and are now really imbalanced, they made proto suits cost 5 mil sp or more, locking casual players out of proto fits and consequently PC for a long time and worsening pub stomps, and I think they nerfed the AR into complete trash. We all know the AR was OP, but was destroying it necessary. There are a lot of good things coming in uprising, but a lot of really dumb stuff as well. I'll wait until it comes out and see exactly how bad thing are and I will be listening to the forums for tears of sadness/relief. ONE change was made, and that was the removal of the range bonus from Sharpshooter. The AR wasn't even TOUCHED. That means ALL weapons lost that bonus across the board, NOT just the AR. Think before posting, please. Without SS, AR has a 50m range. It sux now
The very closest target I had during basic rifle marksmanship is now the very farthest target I can hit in Dust lol.
Feels like a game for children...
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Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1378
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Posted - 2013.05.04 20:52:00 -
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CCP has no roadmap. Internally, DUST development is a downright mess. Of course the results are messy.
This is not an exaggeration unfortunately. |
slypie11
Planetary Response Organisation
256
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Posted - 2013.05.04 20:54:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:CCP has no roadmap. Internally, DUST development is a downright mess. Of course the results are messy.
This is not an exaggeration unfortunately. well this makes me optimistic |
Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1378
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Posted - 2013.05.04 20:57:00 -
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slypie11 wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:CCP has no roadmap. Internally, DUST development is a downright mess. Of course the results are messy.
This is not an exaggeration unfortunately. well this makes me optimistic
I am critical because I am still a fan of the vision. If anything, that makes me more disappointed when they don't seem to care as much about the steps necessary to reach it. |
La Fortune
Terranauts
89
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Posted - 2013.05.04 20:58:00 -
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EVE has been dying for 10 years, apparently.
You generally hear the most crying on game forums, not just DUST, but most game forums. You know why? The majority of people don't post 'This game is so awesome I'm having so much fun', because they're playing the game and having so much fun. |
tribal wyvern
ZionTCD Unclaimed.
848
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Posted - 2013.05.04 20:59:00 -
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Phoenix Arakyd wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:slypie11 wrote:According to all the QQ, CCp pretty much messed up on every level. They nerfed HMGs, the sole anti-infantry heavy weapon that was already pretty bad, they super nerfed tanks, which were pretty imbalanced and are now really imbalanced, they made proto suits cost 5 mil sp or more, locking casual players out of proto fits and consequently PC for a long time and worsening pub stomps, and I think they nerfed the AR into complete trash. We all know the AR was OP, but was destroying it necessary. There are a lot of good things coming in uprising, but a lot of really dumb stuff as well. I'll wait until it comes out and see exactly how bad thing are and I will be listening to the forums for tears of sadness/relief. ONE change was made, and that was the removal of the range bonus from Sharpshooter. The AR wasn't even TOUCHED. That means ALL weapons lost that bonus across the board, NOT just the AR. Think before posting, please. Heavy weapon SS got removed, and then a nerf was applied to the HMG. CCP doesnt want heavies. Ccp also INCREASED armor and shields to the 600-800 range, which allows you to get up close and personal to anyone, and withstand a barrage of AR fire while you take them down AT CLOSE RANGE with your hmg. SS is not needed, heavies are not supposed to be long range suits, that's why they have the most shields and armor.....for up close. |
Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1378
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Posted - 2013.05.04 21:01:00 -
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La Fortune wrote:EVE has been dying for 10 years, apparently.
You generally hear the most crying on game forums, not just DUST, but most game forums. You know why? The majority of people don't post 'This game is so awesome I'm having so much fun', because they're playing the game and having so much fun.
EVE almost did die. It survived despite CCP, not because of it. |
Natu Nobilis
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
184
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Posted - 2013.05.04 21:04:00 -
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The end is near. |
slypie11
Planetary Response Organisation
256
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Posted - 2013.05.04 21:05:00 -
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tribal wyvern wrote:Phoenix Arakyd wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:slypie11 wrote:According to all the QQ, CCp pretty much messed up on every level. They nerfed HMGs, the sole anti-infantry heavy weapon that was already pretty bad, they super nerfed tanks, which were pretty imbalanced and are now really imbalanced, they made proto suits cost 5 mil sp or more, locking casual players out of proto fits and consequently PC for a long time and worsening pub stomps, and I think they nerfed the AR into complete trash. We all know the AR was OP, but was destroying it necessary. There are a lot of good things coming in uprising, but a lot of really dumb stuff as well. I'll wait until it comes out and see exactly how bad thing are and I will be listening to the forums for tears of sadness/relief. ONE change was made, and that was the removal of the range bonus from Sharpshooter. The AR wasn't even TOUCHED. That means ALL weapons lost that bonus across the board, NOT just the AR. Think before posting, please. Heavy weapon SS got removed, and then a nerf was applied to the HMG. CCP doesnt want heavies. Ccp also INCREASED armor and shields to the 600-800 range, which allows you to get up close and personal to anyone, and withstand a barrage of AR fire while you take them down AT CLOSE RANGE with your hmg. SS is not needed, heavies are not supposed to be long range suits, that's why they have the most shields and armor.....for up close. Not really. By the time you get close enough to actually hit anything, your shields and half your armor are gone. |
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La Fortune
Terranauts
89
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Posted - 2013.05.04 21:15:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:La Fortune wrote:EVE has been dying for 10 years, apparently.
You generally hear the most crying on game forums, not just DUST, but most game forums. You know why? The majority of people don't post 'This game is so awesome I'm having so much fun', because they're playing the game and having so much fun. EVE almost did die. It survived despite CCP, not because of it.
I was shooting the Jita statue along with others, because yes, CCP certainly let things slide and it cost them a fair number of players for a while. However the changes they've made since than have been phenomenal, and even though EVE suffered an SWG scale catastrophe, it's stronger than ever.
It would have almost died, but ultimately CCP listened to its players and EVE is awesome right now.
Anyway, Uprising seems to be an awesome expansion, because at the end of the day when the dust has settled, it should be more of a fun build to play than any other build I've experienced in the last 11 months. |
The Robot Devil
BetaMax. CRONOS.
180
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Posted - 2013.05.04 21:17:00 -
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slypie11 wrote:Ion Crush wrote:People just don't want to have to change their play style. Well, the whole point of classes and the fittings system is to give players the freedom to chose their own playstyle.
They don't want to adapt to a changing battlefield. They can play the exact same role but it has to be done a little bit different. |
The Robot Devil
BetaMax. CRONOS.
181
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Posted - 2013.05.04 21:25:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:slypie11 wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:slypie11 wrote:According to all the QQ, CCp pretty much messed up on every level. They nerfed HMGs, the sole anti-infantry heavy weapon that was already pretty bad, they super nerfed tanks, which were pretty imbalanced and are now really imbalanced, they made proto suits cost 5 mil sp or more, locking casual players out of proto fits and consequently PC for a long time and worsening pub stomps, and I think they nerfed the AR into complete trash. We all know the AR was OP, but was destroying it necessary. There are a lot of good things coming in uprising, but a lot of really dumb stuff as well. I'll wait until it comes out and see exactly how bad thing are and I will be listening to the forums for tears of sadness/relief. ONE change was made, and that was the removal of the range bonus from Sharpshooter. The AR wasn't even TOUCHED. That means ALL weapons lost that bonus across the board, NOT just the AR. Think before posting, please. Without SS, AR has a 50m range. It sux now The very closest target I had during basic rifle marksmanship is now the very farthest target I can hit in Dust lol. Feels like a game for children...
Eve Blaster "Particle blasters operate on a similar principle as the railgun except they fire a magnetically contained ball of subatomic particles. No other turret class can match the sheer destructive power of particle blasters, but due to the rapid dispersion of the containment field, it also has the worst range of all turrets. Requires hybrid ammo types: antimatter, iridium, iron, lead, plutonium, thorium, tungsten, uranium."
Dust Assault Rifle Charged plasma munitions are pumped into a cyclotron that converts the plasma into a highly lethal bolt before it is expelled from the chamber. Upon impact with the target, the magnetic field surrounding the bolt collapses, venting superheated plasma onto the contact point.
The type of weapon has a direct affect on the range and amount of damage. It is not child's play, it is difference in weapon systems and play-styles. I like longer range weapons so SMGs and ARs (without SS) are not good weapons for me. I am a LR kind of guy. |
slypie11
Planetary Response Organisation
258
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Posted - 2013.05.04 21:32:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:slypie11 wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:slypie11 wrote:According to all the QQ, CCp pretty much messed up on every level. They nerfed HMGs, the sole anti-infantry heavy weapon that was already pretty bad, they super nerfed tanks, which were pretty imbalanced and are now really imbalanced, they made proto suits cost 5 mil sp or more, locking casual players out of proto fits and consequently PC for a long time and worsening pub stomps, and I think they nerfed the AR into complete trash. We all know the AR was OP, but was destroying it necessary. There are a lot of good things coming in uprising, but a lot of really dumb stuff as well. I'll wait until it comes out and see exactly how bad thing are and I will be listening to the forums for tears of sadness/relief. ONE change was made, and that was the removal of the range bonus from Sharpshooter. The AR wasn't even TOUCHED. That means ALL weapons lost that bonus across the board, NOT just the AR. Think before posting, please. Without SS, AR has a 50m range. It sux now The very closest target I had during basic rifle marksmanship is now the very farthest target I can hit in Dust lol. Feels like a game for children... Eve Blaster "Particle blasters operate on a similar principle as the railgun except they fire a magnetically contained ball of subatomic particles. No other turret class can match the sheer destructive power of particle blasters, but due to the rapid dispersion of the containment field, it also has the worst range of all turrets. Requires hybrid ammo types: antimatter, iridium, iron, lead, plutonium, thorium, tungsten, uranium." Dust Assault Rifle Charged plasma munitions are pumped into a cyclotron that converts the plasma into a highly lethal bolt before it is expelled from the chamber. Upon impact with the target, the magnetic field surrounding the bolt collapses, venting superheated plasma onto the contact point. The type of weapon has a direct affect on the range and amount of damage. It is not child's play, it is difference in weapon systems and play-styles. I like longer range weapons so SMGs and ARs (without SS) are not good weapons for me. I am a LR kind of guy. The AR is hybrid right? So that means that it is half energy half projectile right? So doesn't that mean it has med range? |
slypie11
Planetary Response Organisation
258
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Posted - 2013.05.04 21:34:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:slypie11 wrote:Ion Crush wrote:People just don't want to have to change their play style. Well, the whole point of classes and the fittings system is to give players the freedom to chose their own playstyle. They don't want to adapt to a changing battlefield. They can play the exact same role but it has to be done a little bit different. but when your chosen playstyle becomes obsolete because of nerfs or unbalanced weapons, you're gonna get mad |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
2807
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Posted - 2013.05.04 21:35:00 -
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slypie11 wrote:According to all the QQ
Found your problem
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ladwar
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
287
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Posted - 2013.05.04 21:37:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:slypie11 wrote:According to all the QQ Found your problem woah if they QQ everything then hug are going to deadly and that makes for a interesting and funny fight and all is nerfed into the ground of balance so all is well. |
Roy Ventus
Foxhound Corporation
262
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Posted - 2013.05.04 21:47:00 -
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This is just a regular cycle.
>Update Notes >Crying > Update > Shattap |
The Robot Devil
BetaMax. CRONOS.
182
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Posted - 2013.05.05 15:53:00 -
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slypie11 wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:slypie11 wrote:Ion Crush wrote:People just don't want to have to change their play style. Well, the whole point of classes and the fittings system is to give players the freedom to chose their own playstyle. They don't want to adapt to a changing battlefield. They can play the exact same role but it has to be done a little bit different. but when your chosen playstyle becomes obsolete because of nerfs or unbalanced weapons, you're gonna get mad
There is nothing to it but to do it. The game will constantly change and if one can't keep up then it will be hard for that merc to compete. The lesson is get good at what you do so little changes don't ruin your game. I understand that this is more than a little change coming but at least we can't say "Beta!". |
The Robot Devil
BetaMax. CRONOS.
182
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Posted - 2013.05.05 15:58:00 -
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slypie11 wrote: The AR is hybrid right? So that means that it is half energy half projectile right? So doesn't that mean it has med range?
First off i could be completely wrong so do the research yourself because I am stupid sometimes.
Hybrids come in two flavors - Blasters and Railguns and railguns are the long range versions. |
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