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Natu Nobilis
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.05.04 15:16:00 -
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Are the Sebiestor INSANE?
In the critical condition that our Ray of Matar is, are we seriously rejecting HELP that could make her BETTER?
By no means i-¦m saying that we aren-¦t capable of handling the situation on our own, but JOINT efforts produce amazing results. Crierele being the biggest example of it.
Politics in front of common sense.
When you disregard help, it becomes a lot more difficult to say "We did all we could" if something happens.
May the Ray of Matar recover and continue to shine on the darkness of the universe.
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Natu Nobilis
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
175
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Posted - 2013.05.04 15:40:00 -
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Aqil Aegivan wrote:
Help?
What makes you think Heth had any real intention of actually helping?
It's only insane if you're willing to take Heth's offer at face value and not question his motives at all. At this point Karin Midular's death would have a negative impact on Minmatar/Gallente relations, but you think we should accept aid from the same man who blasted his own people for assisting in the aid efforts on his people's home world?
I'm glad you aren't making decisions for the Sebiestor, we'd be Caldari pawns inside of a week and back under the yoke of the Amarr soon after.
Think a little bit dear brother, use that head of yours.
Forget the person Heth. He is irrelevant.
The Caldari are known for their advanced technology. They were the first to utilize capsuleer technology, their people are known for thei dedication, effort and traditions.
What makes you consider that the ENTIRE population is a pawn to Heth, or even if they are, that their technical knowledge and their heart are not convergent to our situation?
Learn to separate the things. The world is more gray than your black and white.
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Natu Nobilis
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
184
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Posted - 2013.05.04 20:19:00 -
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The Ray of Matar deserves all the care that she can get.
Don-¦t let politics get in the way of science and health. |
Natu Nobilis
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
184
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Posted - 2013.05.04 20:24:00 -
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Shyeer Alvarin wrote:My associate, Operative Vysarii does not speak for the entirety of our organization. Heth's State is not ideal. He did after all call for the destruction of the DUST Program.
As did every other leader in the cluster except the Amarr. |
Natu Nobilis
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
184
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Posted - 2013.05.04 20:34:00 -
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Kiso Okami wrote:Harkon Vysarii wrote:
Ser Tibus Heth is finest leader in Caldari history. He brought about the demilitarization of our homeworld from the Gallente and is now kindly offering some ingrates his empires medical technologies....how sir is that uncivilised?
I am pretty sure that it was Ishukone that made the initial proposal to demilitarize Caldari Prime. I'm also pretty sure that Tibus Heth was the one that did not want to sign the treaty at all.
We Minmatar, at the battle of Mehkios, disabled CONCORD, attacked the Amarr to release or brothers and sisters, and would do whatever was encessary to ensure our plans would come to fruition.
I completely understand Heth-¦s position. I wouldn-¦t stop until we got our homeworld back too. |
Natu Nobilis
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
184
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Posted - 2013.05.04 20:52:00 -
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Kiso Okami wrote:
But... he did nothing... in fact, he wanted to continue fighting tooth and nail against Gallente in Federal space over Home.
After Caldari were given the worst defeat in history (what with them being outnumbered and undermanned), Ishukone quickly siezed the moment to re-initiate peace talks with Gallente. Where was Heth? He was 'B & M' over having lost the planet that he had threaten to blow up along with all of the people living there. He was essentially overruled by majority vote at the Executive meeting to sign the peace treaty.
Who was doing everything in their power to gain access to Home? Ishukone.
It's hard for him to admit it, but Caldari Prime is not part of Caldari again, but is also Home of the Gallente... and all not thanks to him.
Did nothing? For 5 years the Shiigeru stood proud over Caldari Prime. He-¦s not a Dictator, he can-¦t simply ignore the resolution of the joint effort of the megacorps.
I find interesting that people call him a dictator when he does what he is supposed to do, and say he did nothing when he couldn-¦t do. Do you want him to be a dictator or not?
Caldari Prime will ALWAYS belong to the Caldari People. Gallente are nothing but guests.
People complain too much about the man. Yes he-¦s not perfect and have serious issues with several topics, but he-¦s been doing what is possible.
For example, offering medical health for an important person, when our "allies" couldn-¦t get her better.
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Natu Nobilis
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
184
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Posted - 2013.05.04 21:11:00 -
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Aighun wrote:I can't imagine any political body so efficient that they only require the better part of a day to deliberate before coming to a decision. For that alone the Sebiestor should be commended.
What i don-¦t like is the possibility that they are using this event to gain political power, and is in their best interest to keep her in this state to rip beneifts from it.
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