DUST Search - The heavy HMG nerf wasnt needed. However...

Ryder Azorria wrote:

Cosgar wrote:

Vyzion Eyri wrote:

ARs were nerfed alongside it (sharpshooter). Forcing everyone to have to be within a closer range to deal optimal damage but implementing larger maps means vehicles will shine. Corporations will want talented vehicle pilots/drivers to get their squads around into positions close to the enemies, but safe from sniper fire.

By closing the distance between 'front lines', so to speak, it also forces tankers (who're saying tanks have been forced to become redline camping glass cannons) to get closer or risk blowing up their own team with their railguns.

It'll definitely be interesting to see how events turn out come Monday, and the 14th.

Don't be fooled. ARs lost their range but the sharpshooter skill is a damage buff essentially because their weapon will have even less recoil than before. Now they can spray and pray and those damage mod stacked shots are really going to hit their mark.

Holy crap! The AR will have negative recoil?

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copy left The Wanderer Copy Left 108	Posted - 2013.05.04 08:34:00 - [1] - Quote A nerf of some type is needed. I just dont think the one that is in place now is the solution. The range and damage nerf is more than enough. Either one or the other should be put in place . - Keep the range but reduce the damage OR - Keep the damage and reduce the range OR - keep the range and damage but reduce the damage the further the bullet travels OR - ???
DJINN Marauder Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 515	Posted - 2013.05.04 08:35:00 - [2] - Quote Reduce both but buff hp by a substantial amount. I'm thinking 1500 armor..for proto....
Vyzion Eyri The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION 583	Posted - 2013.05.04 08:38:00 - [3] - Quote ARs were nerfed alongside it (sharpshooter). Forcing everyone to have to be within a closer range to deal optimal damage but implementing larger maps means vehicles will shine. Corporations will want talented vehicle pilots/drivers to get their squads around into positions close to the enemies, but safe from sniper fire. By closing the distance between 'front lines', so to speak, it also forces tankers (who're saying tanks have been forced to become redline camping glass cannons) to get closer or risk blowing up their own team with their railguns. It'll definitely be interesting to see how events turn out come Monday, and the 14th.
copy left The Wanderer Copy Left 108	Posted - 2013.05.04 08:41:00 - [4] - Quote Vyzion Eyri wrote: ARs were nerfed alongside it (sharpshooter). Forcing everyone to have to be within a closer range to deal optimal damage but implementing larger maps means vehicles will shine. Corporations will want talented vehicle pilots/drivers to get their squads around into positions close to the enemies, but safe from sniper fire. By closing the distance between 'front lines', so to speak, it also forces tankers (who're saying tanks have been forced to become redline camping glass cannons) to get closer or risk blowing up their own team with their railguns. It'll definitely be interesting to see how events turn out come Monday, and the 14th. Thats really where the problem lies (the range issue) . Currently the maps are to small, so CCP is having to nerf range because there isnt much room to run. If they at least open the boundaries up people will want to explore
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2793	Posted - 2013.05.04 08:49:00 - [5] - Quote Why don't you wait to test it in relation to the price flattening, instead of making an ass of u and me?
Jotun Hiem The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION 571	Posted - 2013.05.04 08:50:00 - [6] - Quote Vyzion Eyri wrote: ARs were nerfed alongside it (sharpshooter). Forcing everyone to have to be within a closer range to deal optimal damage but implementing larger maps means vehicles will shine. Corporations will want talented vehicle pilots/drivers to get their squads around into positions close to the enemies, but safe from sniper fire. By closing the distance between 'front lines', so to speak, it also forces tankers (who're saying tanks have been forced to become redline camping glass cannons) to get closer or risk blowing up their own team with their railguns. It'll definitely be interesting to see how events turn out come Monday, and the 14th. But HMGs lost their sharpshooter bonus as well, so is it really a nerf?
Kovak Therim ZionTCD Unclaimed. 230	Posted - 2013.05.04 08:53:00 - [7] - Quote You know what? I'll keep using the HMG. Why? Because it's loud and I like how it sounds, even if it signifies nothing. I will die, but it won't be quietly.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2793	Posted - 2013.05.04 08:54:00 - [8] - Quote Kovak Therim wrote: You know what? I'll keep using the HMG. Why? Because it's loud and I like how it sounds, even if it signifies nothing. I will die, but it won't be quietly. Amarr sentinal has 4 low slots. You might be a lumbering giant, but 4 armor plates and a dedicated logi will make you fearsome indeed
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 424	Posted - 2013.05.04 08:58:00 - [9] - Quote Vyzion Eyri wrote: ARs were nerfed alongside it (sharpshooter). Forcing everyone to have to be within a closer range to deal optimal damage but implementing larger maps means vehicles will shine. Corporations will want talented vehicle pilots/drivers to get their squads around into positions close to the enemies, but safe from sniper fire. By closing the distance between 'front lines', so to speak, it also forces tankers (who're saying tanks have been forced to become redline camping glass cannons) to get closer or risk blowing up their own team with their railguns. It'll definitely be interesting to see how events turn out come Monday, and the 14th. Don't be fooled. ARs lost their range but the sharpshooter skill is a damage buff essentially because their weapon will have even less recoil than before. Now they can spray and pray and those damage mod stacked shots are really going to hit their mark.
Ryder Azorria Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 265	Posted - 2013.05.04 09:03:00 - [10] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Vyzion Eyri wrote: ARs were nerfed alongside it (sharpshooter). Forcing everyone to have to be within a closer range to deal optimal damage but implementing larger maps means vehicles will shine. Corporations will want talented vehicle pilots/drivers to get their squads around into positions close to the enemies, but safe from sniper fire. By closing the distance between 'front lines', so to speak, it also forces tankers (who're saying tanks have been forced to become redline camping glass cannons) to get closer or risk blowing up their own team with their railguns. It'll definitely be interesting to see how events turn out come Monday, and the 14th. Don't be fooled. ARs lost their range but the sharpshooter skill is a damage buff essentially because their weapon will have even less recoil than before. Now they can spray and pray and those damage mod stacked shots are really going to hit their mark. Holy crap! The AR will have negative recoil?

Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 425	Posted - 2013.05.04 09:09:00 - [11] - Quote Ryder Azorria wrote: Cosgar wrote: Vyzion Eyri wrote: ARs were nerfed alongside it (sharpshooter). Forcing everyone to have to be within a closer range to deal optimal damage but implementing larger maps means vehicles will shine. Corporations will want talented vehicle pilots/drivers to get their squads around into positions close to the enemies, but safe from sniper fire. By closing the distance between 'front lines', so to speak, it also forces tankers (who're saying tanks have been forced to become redline camping glass cannons) to get closer or risk blowing up their own team with their railguns. It'll definitely be interesting to see how events turn out come Monday, and the 14th. Don't be fooled. ARs lost their range but the sharpshooter skill is a damage buff essentially because their weapon will have even less recoil than before. Now they can spray and pray and those damage mod stacked shots are really going to hit their mark. Holy crap! The AR will have negative recoil? Assuming the percentages are the same as this build: Assault Rifle lvl 5 = -25% Dispersion and Kick Assault Rifle Sharpshooter lvl 5 = -25% Kick Assault rifle Sharpshooter Proficiency lvl 5 = -15% Dispersion and Kick So that's (-25%*25%)-15% recoil on a gun that was originally nerfed to have more recoil in the first place. Welcome to AR 514.
copy left The Wanderer Copy Left 109	Posted - 2013.05.04 09:15:00 - [12] - Quote I thought they took sharpshooter out...............
Jotun Hiem The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION 571	Posted - 2013.05.04 09:17:00 - [13] - Quote copy left wrote: I thought they took sharpshooter out............... They took away the range increase and separated AR operation into two skills.
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 427	Posted - 2013.05.04 09:19:00 - [14] - Quote copy left wrote: I thought they took sharpshooter out............... Nope, just changed what it does for each weapon that has it. AR = less recoil HMG = less spread? Sniper Rifel = less sway? Laser = ????
Cat Merc BetaMax. CRONOS. 798	Posted - 2013.05.04 09:20:00 - [15] - Quote DJINN Marauder wrote: Reduce both but buff hp by a substantial amount. I'm thinking 1500 armor..for proto.... LAV says hi.
copy left The Wanderer Copy Left 109	Posted - 2013.05.04 09:22:00 - [16] - Quote LOL a LAV could run into a heavy ..... and blow up . That would be hilarious
Kovak Therim ZionTCD Unclaimed. 230	Posted - 2013.05.04 09:33:00 - [17] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Kovak Therim wrote: You know what? I'll keep using the HMG. Why? Because it's loud and I like how it sounds, even if it signifies nothing. I will die, but it won't be quietly. Amarr sentinal has 4 low slots. You might be a lumbering giant, but 4 armor plates and a dedicated logi will make you fearsome indeed Time for squads of heavies and logis to be dropped in together right on an objective. Teamwork can still make the heavy work. It has to, because it's all we heavies have left. We need APCs (SOONtm, LAVs in the meantime) and dropships to help us crash parties now more than ever.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2793	Posted - 2013.05.04 09:34:00 - [18] - Quote Kovak Therim wrote: dropships to help us crash parties now more than ever. I'm actually quite proficient at timing areal drops for my squad with my ship, I often have them land literally right on an objective as I fly by.
Kovak Therim ZionTCD Unclaimed. 230	Posted - 2013.05.04 09:41:00 - [19] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Kovak Therim wrote: dropships to help us crash parties now more than ever. I'm actually quite proficient at timing areal drops for my squad with my ship, I often have them land literally right on an objective as I fly by. That's what it will take, too. DS pilots that have it down to a science. With that kind of skill, a heavy's speed is irrelevant. 2000 RPM & 1000+ armor instantly at point blank range backed by logis. Interiors are a different matter. I think assaults should have the responsibility of taking control with heavies sent in to guard it along with a logi. The problem is that WP are everything and not every player is OK with standing at an objective hoping someone tries to take it. - I daresay that heavies should stay behind (once we get the player counts up) and wait until needed along with their logis and the vehicles to carry them quickly to where they are needed. Again, that's not everyone's cup of tea.
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 427	Posted - 2013.05.04 09:46:00 - [20] - Quote Kovak Therim wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Kovak Therim wrote: You know what? I'll keep using the HMG. Why? Because it's loud and I like how it sounds, even if it signifies nothing. I will die, but it won't be quietly. Amarr sentinal has 4 low slots. You might be a lumbering giant, but 4 armor plates and a dedicated logi will make you fearsome indeed Time for squads of heavies and logis to be dropped in together right on an objective. Teamwork can still make the heavy work. It has to, because it's all we heavies have left. We need APCs (SOONtm, LAVs in the meantime) and dropships to help us crash parties now more than ever. We should all work together and spread a negative stereotype that heavies are so weak now that any Assault that dies to their spitball bullets should quit Dust 514.

Tiluvo Digital Mercs 60	Posted - 2013.05.04 09:50:00 - [21] - Quote Quote: Assuming the percentages are the same as this build: Assault Rifle lvl 5 = -25% Dispersion and Kick Assault Rifle Sharpshooter lvl 5 = -25% Kick Assault rifle Sharpshooter Proficiency lvl 5 = -15% Dispersion and Kick So that's (-25%*25%)-15% recoil on a gun that was originally nerfed to have more recoil in the first place. Welcome to AR 514. From the test server: Assault Rifle Operation lvl 5 = -25% kick Assault Rifle Sharpshooter lvl 5 = -25% dispersion That's it. No other skills to reduce kick and dispersion; Sharpshooter Proficiency is gone. Also, we don't know if the weapon rebalance mentioned in the patch notes changed the AR recoil at all; it may have gone up; it may have gone down. Just because the HMG was specifically mentioned, doesn't mean the other weapons weren't tweaked.
Remm Duchax The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 5	Posted - 2013.05.05 21:52:00 - [22] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Kovak Therim wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Kovak Therim wrote: You know what? I'll keep using the HMG. Why? Because it's loud and I like how it sounds, even if it signifies nothing. I will die, but it won't be quietly. Amarr sentinal has 4 low slots. You might be a lumbering giant, but 4 armor plates and a dedicated logi will make you fearsome indeed Time for squads of heavies and logis to be dropped in together right on an objective. Teamwork can still make the heavy work. It has to, because it's all we heavies have left. We need APCs (SOONtm, LAVs in the meantime) and dropships to help us crash parties now more than ever. We should all work together and spread a negative stereotype that heavies are so weak now that any Assault that dies to their spitball bullets should quit Dust 514. Haha good luck keeping that up when I mow three assaults down in one clip! And with the Amarr Sentinel I'll be a god!!


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