DUST Search - Suggestion for Unicorn to this forum's spam threads

GM Unicorn wrote:

1. Just don't.

It is a really important period for you and CCP. We have the birthday of EVE and the DUST514 public release. Everyone is super excited about both and we are working our sitting muscles on both, to make them real, to make them yours.

I can feel your excitement for the new build and new contents, and that is good!

I can also see your passion when you see nerfs to your favourite class or weapon, and that is good as well!

I can see a group of players with different opinions and emotions about DUST514 and that is amazing because you managed to grow up a lot as a community. An year ago we were a hundred, now we are thousands, thank to your passion!

What it is not good or helpful is what is happening in the forum right now: a swarm of spammy one-post micro-treads that casts a shadow on good ones. We need your opinions, we need to hear your voices,
through your posts or funneled by the CPM. We need these to develop DUST514 towards the direction that you want. We do not want "noise" caused by spam because it will make more difficult for us to see constructive (not good, constructive) posts among toxic ones.

Thank you for understanding.

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Arron Rift Commando Perkone Caldari State 103	Posted - 2013.05.03 22:32:00 - [1] - Quote GM Unicorn wrote: 1. Just don't. It is a really important period for you and CCP. We have the birthday of EVE and the DUST514 public release. Everyone is super excited about both and we are working our sitting muscles on both, to make them real, to make them yours. I can feel your excitement for the new build and new contents, and that is good! I can also see your passion when you see nerfs to your favourite class or weapon, and that is good as well! I can see a group of players with different opinions and emotions about DUST514 and that is amazing because you managed to grow up a lot as a community. An year ago we were a hundred, now we are thousands, thank to your passion! What it is not good or helpful is what is happening in the forum right now: a swarm of spammy one-post micro-treads that casts a shadow on good ones. We need your opinions, we need to hear your voices, through your posts or funneled by the CPM. We need these to develop DUST514 towards the direction that you want. We do not want "noise" caused by spam because it will make more difficult for us to see constructive (not good, constructive) posts among toxic ones. Thank you for understanding. After reading this, I had an idea that for how to fix this (thought I should post it separate though so we could discuss it without clogging the original). What would you guys think about it if they stickied special "superthreads" about the most common spam thread topics, with titles such as "fear over the great heavy nerf", where people could vent without clogging the main page? Also, further spam threads could be moved to that thread to clean the front page. Thoughts?
NeoWraith Acedia Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 56	Posted - 2013.05.03 22:33:00 - [2] - Quote Quote: 11. Discussion of forum moderation is prohibited. The discussion of DUST 514 forum moderation actions generally leads to flaming, trolling and baiting of our ISD CCL moderators. As such, this type of discussion is strictly prohibited under the forum rules. If you have questions regarding the actions of a moderator, please file a petition under the Community & Forums Category.
Logi Bro Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 1287	Posted - 2013.05.03 22:34:00 - [3] - Quote I'm getting the feeling this will be locked soon......is that irony?
Veiny Throbbing Joystick Intara Direct Action Caldari State 42	Posted - 2013.05.03 22:35:00 - [4] - Quote +1 to OP's idea solves problems... unlike some GMs
Arron Rift Commando Perkone Caldari State 104	Posted - 2013.05.03 23:23:00 - [5] - Quote NeoWraith Acedia wrote: Quote: 11. Discussion of forum moderation is prohibited. The discussion of DUST 514 forum moderation actions generally leads to flaming, trolling and baiting of our ISD CCL moderators. As such, this type of discussion is strictly prohibited under the forum rules. If you have questions regarding the actions of a moderator, please file a petition under the Community & Forums Category. oh....did I break some kind of rule here? Sorry if I did GMs, I'd never heard this rule and was only trying to help Please don't ban me
DeadlyAztec11 One-Armed Bandits Atrocitas 150	Posted - 2013.05.03 23:40:00 - [6] - Quote Arron Rift wrote: NeoWraith Acedia wrote: Quote: 11. Discussion of forum moderation is prohibited. The discussion of DUST 514 forum moderation actions generally leads to flaming, trolling and baiting of our ISD CCL moderators. As such, this type of discussion is strictly prohibited under the forum rules. If you have questions regarding the actions of a moderator, please file a petition under the Community & Forums Category. oh....did I break some kind of rule here? Sorry if I did GMs, I'd never heard this rule and was only trying to help Please don't ban me They could twist this into the article of "baiting" of the moderators.
WyrmHero1945 Greatness Achieved Through Training EoN. 169	Posted - 2013.05.03 23:46:00 - [7] - Quote Thing is nobody read stickies.
Polish Hammer Conspiratus Immortalis League of Infamy 332	Posted - 2013.05.03 23:48:00 - [8] - Quote STDD Same Trolling Different Day Then guy gets on his alt and commends his own post. 1/10

GM Unicorn Game Masters C C P Alliance 418	Posted - 2013.05.07 19:22:00 - [9] - Quote This thread is not against the rules, it's a valid point. Unfortunately I cannot force anyone to post in a given thread but if you guys are able to "elect" or spot the main one for a particular discussion, would be nice for you and for us if all the opinions or complaints were in it. Again, I cannot force anyone in doing anything, and I can understand the frustration when something happen to your favourite class or item, but unfortunately I'm not a game designer and my job is to help them in finding what are the main concerns about DUST 514. That's why I made the quoted thread: less spam = quicker reaction in pinpointing the issues.

LeCuch Red Star. EoN. 58	Posted - 2013.05.07 19:24:00 - [10] - Quote The two main catagories i think need addressing are A: The vehicle bugs a.k.a the crappish turret (how it wont shoot more then 3 feet above the tank) the core skills not working and the shield extenders requiring dropsuit skills, and B: heavy nurf and the stats that people think are unfair

CHICAGOCUBS4EVER TeamPlayers EoN. 206	Posted - 2013.05.07 19:28:00 - [11] - Quote or how bout giving CPMs the power to sticky threads? i mean it seems some of them are trying their best to keep this incredible sh!tstorm under some sort of control, so why not allow them to keep on-topic discussions at the top and getting those to the staff's attention?

GM Unicorn Game Masters C C P Alliance 419	Posted - 2013.05.07 19:29:00 - [12] - Quote LeCuch wrote: The two main catagories i think need addressing are A: The vehicle bugs a.k.a the crappish turret (how it wont shoot more then 3 feet above the tank) the core skills not working and the shield extenders requiring dropsuit skills, and B: heavy nurf and the stats that people think are unfair That's cool! So if you guys are able to funnel everything related to those issues in few threads, would be amazing :) Thanks again for the patience CHICAGOCUBS4EVER wrote: or how bout giving CPMs the power to sticky threads? i mean it seems some of them are trying their best to keep this incredible sh!tstorm under some sort of control, so why not allow them to keep on-topic discussions at the top and getting those to the staff's attention? This is a decision that should be mad by the Community Manager, but it's a valid one. I'll pass the information :)

Rynx Sinfar Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 568	Posted - 2013.05.07 19:33:00 - [13] - Quote GM Unicorn wrote: This thread is not against the rules, it's a valid point. Unfortunately I cannot force anyone to post in a given thread but if you guys are able to "elect" or spot the main one for a particular discussion, would be nice for you and for us if all the opinions or complaints were in it. Again, I cannot force anyone in doing anything, and I can understand the frustration when something happen to your favourite class or item, but unfortunately I'm not a game designer and my job is to help them in finding what are the main concerns about DUST 514. That's why I made the quoted thread: less spam = quicker reaction in pinpointing the issues. Part of the spam is that general discussion is slammed with people wanting attention. Tons of threads say "I know this goes in feedback/suggestions but I wanted more people to see it". Give a thread attention and you invite all the spam to be funneled into one place. However there happens to be a nice board for feedback and requests that is quieter. -> https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=topics&f=730 Granted you might bring that crap there but shrug. The amount of bad info that has gone around due to general chat has already been bad and I've seen two people potsing in our corp forums in surprise of "I was so worried when someone in General said HMG optimal ends at 15m, you mean that wasn't true?" if it was me I'd be slicing down threads so fast they'd call me a dictator in 5 seconds. CCP have better men than I.
LeCuch Red Star. EoN. 58	Posted - 2013.05.07 19:34:00 - [14] - Quote GM Unicorn wrote: LeCuch wrote: The two main catagories i think need addressing are A: The vehicle bugs a.k.a the crappish turret (how it wont shoot more then 3 feet above the tank) the core skills not working and the shield extenders requiring dropsuit skills, and B: heavy nurf and the stats that people think are unfair That's cool! So if you guys are able to funnel everything related to those issues in few threads, would be amazing :) Thanks again for the patience CHICAGOCUBS4EVER wrote: or how bout giving CPMs the power to sticky threads? i mean it seems some of them are trying their best to keep this incredible sh!tstorm under some sort of control, so why not allow them to keep on-topic discussions at the top and getting those to the staff's attention? This is a decision that should be mad by the Community Manager, but it's a valid one. I'll pass the information :) A dev quoted me
Thor Odinson42 Planetary Response Organization 168	Posted - 2013.05.07 19:38:00 - [15] - Quote GM Unicorn wrote: This thread is not against the rules, it's a valid point. Unfortunately I cannot force anyone to post in a given thread but if you guys are able to "elect" or spot the main one for a particular discussion, would be nice for you and for us if all the opinions or complaints were in it. Again, I cannot force anyone in doing anything, and I can understand the frustration when something happen to your favourite class or item, but unfortunately I'm not a game designer and my job is to help them in finding what are the main concerns about DUST 514. That's why I made the quoted thread: less spam = quicker reaction in pinpointing the issues. Pick one for the BPO refund. Pick one for the weapon nerfs Pick one for the revive/bleed out screen Pick one for re-respec Pick one for vehicle issues Please encourage the devs to come and post in them. If people spam them or get hostile, ban them. My posts have taken an inflammatory tone because it doesn't seem like you guys are listening. As much as people are pissed. I think they are more concerned with the possible failure of a game they've got a lot of time invested in. If a dev doesn't comment then I think people say crazier stuff trying to coax out a comment. We (well most of us) want to see you succeed. I want you guys to win all the awards and break the mold of FPS forever.
Beren Hurin OMNI Endeavors 429	Posted - 2013.05.07 19:40:00 - [16] - Quote How about we point out the popular use of ad hominem attacks such as 'you are an Eve player you don't know anything about FPS games' that completely disregard the rationale inside of the following statements. Another similar attack is calling people 'fanboy' with an ignorant disregard for what they say. Also, the use of hyperbole in subjects and opening remarks such as XX weapon is now 'USELESS', or now logis are THE BEST, or armor tanking is 'POINTLESS'. When you use hyperbole you are really not drawing peoples attention to anything specific, but using emotion to attract attention.
Thor Odinson42 Planetary Response Organization 168	Posted - 2013.05.07 19:42:00 - [17] - Quote Beren Hurin wrote: How about we point out the popular use of ad hominem attacks such as 'you are an Eve player you don't know anything about FPS games' that completely disregard the rationale inside of the following statements. Another similar attack is calling people 'fanboy' with an ignorant disregard for what they say. Also, the use of hyperbole in subjects and opening remarks such as XX weapon is now 'USELESS', or now logis are THE BEST, or armor tanking is 'POINTLESS'. When you use hyperbole you are really not drawing peoples attention to anything specific, but using emotion to attract attention. I agree with you, but we'll have free renewable energy before hyperbole is gone from forums.
Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 678	Posted - 2013.05.07 19:51:00 - [18] - Quote GM Unicorn wrote: LeCuch wrote: The two main catagories i think need addressing are A: The vehicle bugs a.k.a the crappish turret (how it wont shoot more then 3 feet above the tank) the core skills not working and the shield extenders requiring dropsuit skills, and B: heavy nurf and the stats that people think are unfair That's cool! So if you guys are able to funnel everything related to those issues in few threads, would be amazing :) Thanks again for the patience I bet you would be up in arms too posting threads if CCP decided to nerf Ponies as hard as they nerfed HAVs.
Naquiri ExcelsiCorp Securities 46	Posted - 2013.05.07 20:28:00 - [19] - Quote i was inspired by some of what iread here, an did this https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=73994&find=unread i hope it is helpful.
Grenadez Rollack A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 0	Posted - 2013.05.07 23:00:00 - [20] - Quote My suggestion is to put things back the way they were before the build. I enjoyed playing dust before and spent alot of money so far. But I'm not playing uprising anymore or spending another penny on dust. I was running heavy before and now heavies dont stand a chance. I'm not complaining about that though. All im saying is if I'd known that you made the heavies useless I would have spec into something else. Probably a prototype assault with a devoulle which seems to be unstoppable lol

Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 189	Posted - 2013.05.07 23:12:00 - [21] - Quote I'm a little leary of having more sticky threads. How about one big sticky thread at the top the has a single post with links to threads of interest. As current events change the firs items in the post can be updated. Or some other means to find a way to get access to the non-spam content related to current events. Perhaps CPMs could point out quality threads and have them pointed to from the "current issues" sticky. And, keep in mind, you can only have so man items in a list before it's no longer useful -- keep it relatively short. You know... one main organizing thread could point to threads that point to others... people can follow links. We've got a fall off the front page problem and no way to deal with it except stickies. On that note, it would also be possible to create some forums specifically for certain events - such as "2013-05-06 Release" and then just let it fade into obscurity after the next big event or two arrives. Anyhow, I'be been somewhat involved in forum admin before, so the need for organization is apparent... it could help.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 2758	Posted - 2013.05.07 23:22:00 - [22] - Quote LeCuch wrote: GM Unicorn wrote: LeCuch wrote: The two main catagories i think need addressing are A: The vehicle bugs a.k.a the crappish turret (how it wont shoot more then 3 feet above the tank) the core skills not working and the shield extenders requiring dropsuit skills, and B: heavy nurf and the stats that people think are unfair That's cool! So if you guys are able to funnel everything related to those issues in few threads, would be amazing :) Thanks again for the patience CHICAGOCUBS4EVER wrote: or how bout giving CPMs the power to sticky threads? i mean it seems some of them are trying their best to keep this incredible sh!tstorm under some sort of control, so why not allow them to keep on-topic discussions at the top and getting those to the staff's attention? This is a decision that should be mad by the Community Manager, but it's a valid one. I'll pass the information :) A dev quoted me Sorry to burst your bubble, but the GMs aren't devs. Look for the BLUE tags on pics and "CCP" in the name.
The Robot Devil BetaMax. CRONOS. 213	Posted - 2013.05.08 04:39:00 - [23] - Quote When did the CPM become the community sounding board? The way I understand things the CPM is to develop ideas on what the the first CPM will be involved in and how it will work. Wasting their time with nerf threads is not the best idea. CCP has a job to do and they do listen to us. We should allow for everyone to get used to the changes, adapt their tactics and then talk about some tweaks that are needed. We needs to get the bugs out before we try to polish the balance. Balance is a big issue and needs to addressed but it is not the only issue and it is not the most important one because the game is not that far out of balance.


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