LOGI TALK THREAD.

Things that need to happen.

1. Ditch the cap on repping drop suits. Alternatively, if you must, make it so the cap is PER SUIT. You rep a ***** to full health, then the cap kicks in, but you can still rep others and get points.

2. Give points for repping vehicles and structures.

3. More points for team resupply, ditch cap.

4. Increase the rep rate for all Reptools on vehicles. This in my opinion will help tanks without buffing them, as it stands now, the best rep tool for vehicle repping can repair about 1100 Armor in 10 seconds, any swarm can put out about 1300 damage every 2-3 seconds. And AV nades can do so much more..

I agree with rep points for vehicles however i disagree with everything else. Honestly though, nothing needs to be changed.

I see, any reason? I believe that a cap on repping friendly drop suits in counter intuitive. This is supposed to be a team game and yet you are not rewarded for doing your job after 30 seconds of doing so. this is my primary gripe.

Because you shouldn't be able farm SP by repping the entire match. thats just lame. Would you like everyone to run a rep tool?
Do something else, seriously, cap kill revieve, something. I can drop a level 4 triage/ammo nanohive and it would be more effective than you.

Logi points are just fine as is. My wish list would include reps for vehicles however i'd like to see it tied with dropsuit cap points

Also removing the cap for rep WP would stop "Evil Logi's" from reping someone till they hit their cap and then just leaving them partialy healed. I have seen a few people do this with heavys rep them halfway or so then wander off I still rep people when they have low armour even if I have it my cap but this would encourage others to as well.

I agree with rep points for vehicles however i disagree with everything else. Honestly though, nothing needs to be changed.

1) Don't remove it completely, but I read a thread a couple of months ago that I cannot currently find a link to that recommended a diminishing returns concept to repair tool WP rewards. We would rep until we hit the cap we have now, then we would get progressively smaller WP rewards until we repeatedly get +2s until the cap resets, then we start over again.

2) Yeah, this is long overdue.

3) Don't have a problem with that cap, as far as I know there isn't one, just a cooldown before the person that used it gives you more points.

4) Not a problem, I don't think.

The problem with logi now is, the more you skill into it, the less return you see. Wp are based off of rep cycle, so I rep u with a better tool, giving you more hp per cycle, which means I heal you faster and get less wp for it. Remove the cap, you get more sp from afking anyways, so lamos will always afk over actually doing something to earn their points. Let us logis actually get something out of doing our job. Give me wp for hp healed, not cyle time

So your disagreement is "the way someone else chooses to play this game differs from how I want them to play". What if a player is not good at killing? What if I want to be a pure support role with a weapon as backup only? You're point is invalid as is you opinion from this point onward. Please take time and reflect upon your opinion.

for some reason, i tend to not notice the healing cap at all when im healing war buddies ( im serious) even so, its not gonna stop me from rushing into an ob to revive and repair some poor bastard.

Why not create a repper that has a bonus to vehicle repair similar to the triage tool. I know there exists one now that gives bonus to installation repair with decrease suit. This way you can tailor the type of healing to infantry vs vehicle support.

Preach it Bro!

currently militia gear is the most efficient way to get war points. Why skill into high level Logi tools (other than being a team player)?

We do need to remember that we are only talking about pub matches, If your corp lets you get away with using militia gear in planetary your corp is not going to be valuable to eve-side in the long run.

...Plus, if we take off the cap this will make the "dark/bad logi" problem even worse. It's already horrible now with, logi's reviving people numerous times in the middle of a gun fight just to farm WP....

I disagree completely with what you say as you can actually make more war-points utilizing higher level equipment. Let's take the proto nanohives for example, utilizing the Ishukone gauged nanohives you can place down 3 active hives, which mean you now have three potential WP hot-spots (in fact, after placing them strategically I constantly see 10wp pop up the entire match. Yes it might seem like a small amount, however, if you account for the three active hives as well as the constant need for ammo, this can rack a large amount of WP. The same goes for the Wiyrkomi Triage Nanohive, which produce a tremendous amount of WP if used correctly. In fact, I revived 300+ WP from one heavy who was repairing himself in my proto nanohive).

Further, Logis have numerous different ways to obtain WP over their assault counterparts (not only can you kill as a logi, but you get triage points, guardian points, ammo resupply points, drop uplink points and rezing points, all of which can provide you with an exponentially larger amount of WP then everyone else).

Plus, if we take off the cap this will make the "dark/bad logi" problem even worse. It's already horrible now with, logi's reviving people numerous times in the middle of a gun fight just to farm WP. Think about what will happen when the cap is removed, all a logi will have to do is find a teammate who is willing to hurt themselves over and over again, and that logi can rep him (hell, you could do it with multiple people. Just get a group of 4 people, equip proto triage nanohives and K17/Ds and then proceed to have them continually harm themselves and the stand on the hives. You don't even have to be there, you can go off and make WP in other parts of the game).

Yes, as a logi I would love to be able to receive more WP, but I don't do it for the points, I'm a logi because I work hard to ensure my teammates survive and keep fighting. And while that happens I too fight back and kill.

So ya, that's my long winded speech.

TL;DR: Higher level equipment does allow you to make more WP and if you take the cap off you can exploit it to make a ton of WP through the use of teammates harming themselves and you can healing them through numerous triage hives.

Osiris.

The cap on Nanohives pretty much screws over that argument. And it still doesn't convince anyone to skill above standard Nanite Injectors, or Triage Repair Tool.

I'm talking about if we take the cap off completely for all logi equipment, but your right at this current point you can't do what I said above as it's been capped. I'm just giving a hypothetical situation of what could happen if you release the cap on all logi equipment.

The cap on Nanohives pretty much screws over that argument. And it still doesn't convince anyone to skill above standard Nanite Injectors, or Triage Repair Tool.

I'm talking about if we take the cap off completely for all logi equipment, but your right at this current point you can't do what I said above as it's been capped. I'm just giving a hypothetical situation of what could happen if you release the cap on all logi equipment.

So you don't disagree completely, you in fact agree with me completely while hoping that the rules will be changed in the future so you can disagree with me.

Right?