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Jason Pearson
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Posted - 2013.05.03 10:38:00 -
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I like you. You're the type of AVer I wouldn't mind being solo'd by, same with any AVer that puts the work in and is dedicated to their profession. |
Jason Pearson
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Posted - 2013.05.03 12:56:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote:As a disclaimer: I don't want to see tanks nerfed, they are as balanced as I've ever seen them.
However the complainers about AV still need to HTFU.
I wouldn't say I'm dedicated AV, but at swarm proficiency 2, and maxed REs, I'd say I'm qualified to comment:
You say you can solo even the best tank, I can too. But I doubt what you mean by "solo" really means solo. Any tank, on any ambush map has retreat options, and the high hp tanks can resist proto AV long enough to perform that retreat. To follow them, you will very likely have to expose yourself to enemy infantry, and I think it is that infantry response that really determines wether you can solo a tank or not.
Everbody, no matter how skilled, has encountered those matches where they just aren't going to be able to make the difference. It is those matches, where tankers are overconfident in their abilities, that they complain about everybody pulling out militia AV, or being chased around the map by someone in proto gear. When AV is on the receiving end of those stomps, even a squad of skilled & dedicated proto AV isn't going to cost anyone their tank. It becomes simply unrealistic to hold the , minimum, two, complimentary positions required to take down a half-intelligent tanker.
Tanks aren't balanced, and you're not specialized in AV ;)
Ambush is a different story, it is broken, has terrible matchmaking and always makes it terribly unbalanced (We've seen it, remember times when theres been 8 Seraphim against 1?)
Do you ever see me pull out a tank against people like Vortex? You've squadded with me, you've heard me when I say "I'm not pulling a tank out due to so and so on the other team" because he will solo me, because I am ****** if I start rolling a tank on the field against someone that has proto AV
What you need to be looking at is not the balance of pubmatches such as Ambush, but more at PC, where you have a fully coordinated team working together, with players running proto gear to win, it'll no longer be about ******* about and making ISK but it's srsbsns. You can say "Jase HTFU" but you won't have tankers backing you up in PC, because we'll be an expensive liability, you can't "protect" us from AV, we'll just be a distraction to be instasmashed, unless we stay up on a mountain sniping ofcourse, you'll love that ^_^ |
Jason Pearson
Seraphim Initiative.
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Posted - 2013.05.03 19:48:00 -
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Infantry scrub, stop telling us we have no right to hide, I will hide on the red line because it is safer and economically beneficial to me than running out and letting you kill me. Infantry is boring, also how will you be a good infantry player if you wish to eventually go in to Vehicles? When all the core skills are now separated and such, it's not about playing with what we can't afford, you're lucky, Infantry can do well in free fits.. we on the other hand don't get such a luxury.
Edit: and your little bit about "with all that firepower and defences, you'd think we'd have some balls?"
Heres the thing, we don't have any "defences", so take what you think you know about vehicles and shove it up your ass, it's not as easy as it seems, and all those shields and armor mean **** when AV is hitting you at 1/4 of your hp per shot. |
Jason Pearson
Seraphim Initiative.
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Posted - 2013.05.03 19:58:00 -
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Alaika Arbosa wrote:Jason Pearson wrote:Infantry scrub, stop telling us we have no right to hide, I will hide on the red line because it is safer and economically beneficial to me than running out and letting you kill me. Infantry is boring, also how will you be a good infantry player if you wish to eventually go in to Vehicles? When all the core skills are now separated and such, it's not about playing with what we can't afford, you're lucky, Infantry can do well in free fits.. we on the other hand don't get such a luxury.
Edit: and your little bit about "with all that firepower and defences, you'd think we'd have some balls?"
Heres the thing, we don't have any "defences", so take what you think you know about vehicles and shove it up your ass, it's not as easy as it seems, and all those shields and armor mean **** when AV is hitting you at 1/4 of your hp per shot. Cry Moar? I think I hear CCP aborting your HAVs. lol.
Outstanding *applauds*
This is why this game is going to ****, you have these AR scrubs thinking vehicles and other classes are easy mode and when called out they respond about said person "crying".
Settle down AR scrub. |
Jason Pearson
Seraphim Initiative.
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Posted - 2013.05.03 20:03:00 -
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Gelan Corbaine wrote:My problem is that while I do see the tankers point of view and do feel that CCP is headed in the wrong direction with this glass cannon crap , the fact is that AV also has it's problems and no one seems to acknowledge it. Namely the fact that AV doesn't get compensated unless they get the kill shot.
Dedicated AV fits are NOT cheap !
I'm fine with militia AV being nerfed. I'm fine with kill stealing AV nades being dialed back some. But when you start talking about making Tanks tougher against Adv/Proto AV I start talking about making a living . Okay you make it so AV troops get even get less kills. Fine ... but AV doesn't get much WP's atm . My Gun alone costs half my game earnings . A couple of deaths which is VERY likely to happen to a AVer can put me deep in the red. Yet I can do most of the damage to a tank yet get nothing because some nader gets the kill shot and some AR guy steals the assist by shooting the tank (I'm helping !!) between my shots ?
Is it fair to have it take 3 AV guys to take out a tank yet only one of them gets payed in full for it ?
I suppose I could torque off my teammates by blowing up all installations they are usually hacking and using for cover . But should I really be competing against my own team ?
Basically what I'm saying is that I'm not running a charity here how am I supposed to afford this mess?
Completely understand that issue, I think we all feel dedicated AVers should be highly rewarded for blowing tanks up. CCP needs to revise the kill system, giving the vehicle kills to the person who inflicted the most damage, and assists based on the damage, and then they need to make it so the guys who brought down the tank get a lot of the cash it was worth. |
Jason Pearson
Seraphim Initiative.
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Posted - 2013.05.03 20:07:00 -
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Alaika Arbosa wrote:Jason Pearson wrote:Alaika Arbosa wrote:Jason Pearson wrote:Infantry scrub, stop telling us we have no right to hide, I will hide on the red line because it is safer and economically beneficial to me than running out and letting you kill me. Infantry is boring, also how will you be a good infantry player if you wish to eventually go in to Vehicles? When all the core skills are now separated and such, it's not about playing with what we can't afford, you're lucky, Infantry can do well in free fits.. we on the other hand don't get such a luxury.
Edit: and your little bit about "with all that firepower and defences, you'd think we'd have some balls?"
Heres the thing, we don't have any "defences", so take what you think you know about vehicles and shove it up your ass, it's not as easy as it seems, and all those shields and armor mean **** when AV is hitting you at 1/4 of your hp per shot. Cry Moar? I think I hear CCP aborting your HAVs. lol. Outstanding *applauds* This is why this game is going to ****, you have these AR scrubs thinking vehicles and other classes are easy mode and when called out they respond about said person "crying". Settle down AR scrub. lol, you called me an AR scrub? lol, I rarely if ever use an AR. You're so pissed you're "Ad Homing" and failing cause you don't know **** about me. I, however, am willing to bet that I have you pegged dead to rights since you're so very very butthurt over my post. HTFU. Allow me to Reiterate: H. T. F. U.Allow me to reiterate something else too: "Don't fly what you can't afford to lose" --CCP
You're right, I'm sorry, am so very angry right now and now the tears are rolling freely down my cheeks :'(
Just to make sure you know, I'm going to be sitting at the back of my red line, so mugs like you can come to the forums and complain that it's not fair you can't reach me yet I can one shot you. ^_^ Guess you're right, defences are great when AV can't hit me. |
Jason Pearson
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.05.03 20:17:00 -
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Alaika Arbosa wrote:Jason Pearson wrote:Alaika Arbosa wrote:Jason Pearson wrote:Alaika Arbosa wrote:
Cry Moar?
I think I hear CCP aborting your HAVs.
lol.
Outstanding *applauds* This is why this game is going to ****, you have these AR scrubs thinking vehicles and other classes are easy mode and when called out they respond about said person "crying". Settle down AR scrub. lol, you called me an AR scrub? lol, I rarely if ever use an AR. You're so pissed you're "Ad Homing" and failing cause you don't know **** about me. I, however, am willing to bet that I have you pegged dead to rights since you're so very very butthurt over my post. HTFU. Allow me to Reiterate: H. T. F. U.Allow me to reiterate something else too: "Don't fly what you can't afford to lose" --CCP You're right, I'm sorry, am so very angry right now and now the tears are rolling freely down my cheeks :'( Just to make sure you know, I'm going to be sitting at the back of my red line, so mugs like you can come to the forums and complain that it's not fair you can't reach me yet I can one shot you. ^_^ Guess you're right, defences are great when AV can't hit me. Thank you for admitting that you're a coward in a game even when you're sitting in an armored death machine. Lol, HAV scrub hiding behind the redline, lol.
I think I made that painfully obvious when I made a thread about a HAV truce, where all HAVs in said truce are likely to be redline snipers and wouldn't snipe one another on the other teams, I'll bump if for you :)
My "Death Machine" had 6000 shields, since the Sagaris has gone, I've got about 5000 shields. A proto forge will deal 2000HP easily to my "death machine", three shotting it.
Several AV grenades that deal about 1500 damage needs two people on a Nanohive and in seconds I'm done.
I'd like to see you, oh mighty player, take a "death machine" out come uprising and not get instafucked :) |
Jason Pearson
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.05.03 20:24:00 -
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Alaika Arbosa wrote:Jason Pearson wrote:
I think I made that painfully obvious when I made a thread about a HAV truce, where all HAVs in said truce are likely to be redline snipers and wouldn't snipe one another on the other teams, I'll bump if for you :)
My "Death Machine" had 6000 shields, since the Sagaris has gone, I've got about 5000 shields. A proto forge will deal 2000HP easily to my "death machine", three shotting it.
Several AV grenades that deal about 1500 damage needs two people on a Nanohive and in seconds I'm done.
I'd like to see you, oh mighty player, take a "death machine" out come uprising and not get instafucked :)
You wouldn't have to deal with the proto forge or the AV grenades if you had a proper AR scrub crew with you in your HAV. You flatter me, though I am far from a mighty player, I just know how to not put all of my eggs in one basket and then send the basket down a river of my tears when one egg breaks.
Doesn't matter if you have a fully crewed tank, or a full squad sweeping ahead, you will get smashed by proto AV, tried it multiple times, works for a bit but you will die and it's not worth the risk. Look back at what you said earlier "Don't fly what you can't afford"
That's fine, I won't fly, instead I will sit in the Tank, not moving, just one shotting infantry from a distance with no risk to myself (Because this is what DUST is about, no Risk All Reward) |
Jason Pearson
Seraphim Initiative.
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Posted - 2013.05.03 20:38:00 -
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Alaika Arbosa wrote:Jason Pearson wrote:Alaika Arbosa wrote:Jason Pearson wrote:
I think I made that painfully obvious when I made a thread about a HAV truce, where all HAVs in said truce are likely to be redline snipers and wouldn't snipe one another on the other teams, I'll bump if for you :)
My "Death Machine" had 6000 shields, since the Sagaris has gone, I've got about 5000 shields. A proto forge will deal 2000HP easily to my "death machine", three shotting it.
Several AV grenades that deal about 1500 damage needs two people on a Nanohive and in seconds I'm done.
I'd like to see you, oh mighty player, take a "death machine" out come uprising and not get instafucked :)
You wouldn't have to deal with the proto forge or the AV grenades if you had a proper AR scrub crew with you in your HAV. You flatter me, though I am far from a mighty player, I just know how to not put all of my eggs in one basket and then send the basket down a river of my tears when one egg breaks. Doesn't matter if you have a fully crewed tank, or a full squad sweeping ahead, you will get smashed by proto AV, tried it multiple times, works for a bit but you will die and it's not worth the risk. Look back at what you said earlier "Don't fly what you can't afford" That's fine, I won't fly, instead I will sit in the Tank, not moving, just one shotting infantry from a distance with no risk to myself (Because this is what DUST is about, no Risk All Reward) Ok, say what you want, you won't be done until I give you the last word, I understand this now. Though understand this, you are little more than a HAV scrub crybaby who doesn't understand how to not make yourself a high-value target with your paper HAV. I know this now, rather than try to adapt to a change or new situation, you'll just cry and blame others for your own mistake in overspecializing. Allow me to close with another quote: "Overspecialize and you breed in weakness" --Maj. Motoko Kusanagi
The only bit you got right was the fact I need that last word, it drives me. Oh and the Quote, that was probably right too.
The rest, I doubt you've played with me, I certainly know you've never squadded with me and because of this know that you're completely wrong about me :) I am adapting, I've stated it repeatedly. I'm going to go sit on a mountain, so AV can't hit me, and get more kills than I get as a CQC tank.
Look at that:
Was a CQC Shield Blaster Tank, where AV could come from anywhere and kill me very quickly.
Am now a long range Shield Rail Tank, where AV can never hit me and the only thing I need to fear is the enemy tanks and occasional orbitals.
Adapting.
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