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KingBabar
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Posted - 2013.05.02 14:06:00 -
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Looks like all the new proto suits will only have a single equipment slot, dissregarding the Logis off course.
- Why?
- Too much much use of the medkits has made too many people keep their aur items perhaps?
- I am strongly against this since it lessens the variety of gameplay and by extension the entire experience for me. The only worthwhile reason for me to use a WK.1 assault suit over a B-series is that extra equipment slot which makes me able to do a little more than simply shoot at stuff and restocking myself with ammo.
If possible, some words from CCP about their reasoning for this change would be most welcome. |
KingBabar
Seraphim Initiative.
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Posted - 2013.05.02 15:25:00 -
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Seems like I'm the new Bro in town...
Its not like its either support or slay, which for some strange reason seems to be the norm for intended/expected player behavior by most of this community, I for one, intend to do both.
TDLR: Spoiled by MAG. |
KingBabar
Seraphim Initiative.
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Posted - 2013.05.02 20:38:00 -
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First off, if it turnes out this way, I will spec into logi. I will most likely make a combat fitted suit that will perform more or less the same as my current assault suit. In short, I don't have any kind of "problem" with adapting to this change.
I am concerned for how this in a way will narrow down peoples choices. If I'm correct we will shortly have these equipments:
- Nanohives
- rep nanohives
- Medkits
- Rep tools
- Vehicle rep tools
- AV mines
- Drop uplinks
- Remote explosives
- Various active scanners
- Mobile deployable shield thingys
- More are bound to show up...
Under the assumption that most good players, the ones that actually survive long enough to run out of ammo, will need to carry a nanohive most off the time. Even if said person don't need to carry a nanohive due to being supported, the medkit is most likely the most important choice. Being able to pick up your corpmate and save him (or indeed the corp) 250 K isk is just so damned good that its hard to substitute it with lets say a scanner or a RE....
From my standpoint, carrying a medkit and a nanohive isn't a "too well equipped" assault player, I'm merely carrying the bare minimum to function decently on the battlefield. I'd still like to have 2 Logis in a 6 man squad to fill other functions. But I guess thats just the way I see it.
If I where to fit one of the other equipments (with todays suits), I do so while losing one of those two very basic functions, that price is more than big enough for doing the occational RE trolling. After may 6th, I've already lost what I consider to be a "basic function" from the start. Why slaying is the only function an assault player is to have, all though be it a good one, is still beyond me.
I don't like how equipmentslots in general are so limited and by extension very valuable, I'd even let the fatties carry one and more slots all around. Personally I think we would see more use of the "almost never used" equipment and a wider variety in gameplay, fittings, group-cohesion, tactics and application. In short; a game with more choices and variation, a better game. |
KingBabar
Seraphim Initiative.
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Posted - 2013.05.03 07:45:00 -
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Logi Bro wrote:How exactly is this bad? All you need is a nanohive on an assault fit, we don't need triage assault units on the field.
And why not?
- So you're sayiing that killing and restocking my ammo is all that I should do and I should be content with that?
In my opinion thats a pretty selfish attitude.
With everyone running around with 200-250 K isk fittings, the medkit suddenly becomes the most important asset.
Oh wait, thats right, I'll wait for a Logi bro to kill the one who killed me and then pick me up.... how silly of me. |
KingBabar
Seraphim Initiative.
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Posted - 2013.05.03 10:20:00 -
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Llan Heindell wrote:KingBabar wrote:Looks like all the new proto suits will only have a single equipment slot, dissregarding the Logis off course.
- Why?
- Too much much use of the medkits has made too many people keep their aur items perhaps?
- I am strongly against this since it lessens the variety of gameplay and by extension the entire experience for me. The only worthwhile reason for me to use a WK.1 assault suit over a B-series is that extra equipment slot which makes me able to do a little more than simply shoot at stuff and restocking myself with ammo.
If possible, some words from CCP about their reasoning for this change would be most welcome. You gave yourself the answer. I'll make it clear for you. "Looks like all the new proto suits will only have a single equipment slot, disregarding the Logis off course." I took the liberty of fixing that "dissregarding".
Logis need PG and CPU. Have you ever played logistics? At least read the descriptions on Hives, Injectors and Uplinks...? You do know that they DRAIN PG/CPU. If we need to run with 4 Infantry equips, we need more PG/CPU. Llan Heindell.
So much fail here. Yes I made a typo, thanks for being cool about it, its not like you are one of these A-holes that just have to inflate it and make a point about it.... For being from a non-English country using a forum without a typo-fixer, I think I'm doing a fairly good job out of my writing and I actually do make an effort to write properly... Thanks for nothing...
Laughs at "need more CPU/PG" and for "giving myself the answer", I merely stated whats happened, not WHY.
So thank you for your well thought out response to the issue at hand and not least for your epic presentation of the probable change in gameplay mechanics as a result of this very limiting change.
Edit: Oh sorry, I have never read the descriptions of any of the equipments, I have no idea how they actually work or what they cost to fit, I'll go educate myself next time before I post... |
KingBabar
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.05.03 10:39:00 -
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Llan Heindell wrote:KingBabar wrote:Llan Heindell wrote:KingBabar wrote:Looks like all the new proto suits will only have a single equipment slot, dissregarding the Logis off course.
- Why?
- Too much much use of the medkits has made too many people keep their aur items perhaps?
- I am strongly against this since it lessens the variety of gameplay and by extension the entire experience for me. The only worthwhile reason for me to use a WK.1 assault suit over a B-series is that extra equipment slot which makes me able to do a little more than simply shoot at stuff and restocking myself with ammo.
If possible, some words from CCP about their reasoning for this change would be most welcome. You gave yourself the answer. I'll make it clear for you. "Looks like all the new proto suits will only have a single equipment slot, disregarding the Logis off course." I took the liberty of fixing that "dissregarding".
Logis need PG and CPU. Have you ever played logistics? At least read the descriptions on Hives, Injectors and Uplinks...? You do know that they DRAIN PG/CPU. If we need to run with 4 Infantry equips, we need more PG/CPU. Llan Heindell. So much fail here. Yes I made a typo, thanks for being cool about it, its not like you are one of these A-holes that just have to inflate it and make a point about it.... For being from a non-English country using a forum without a typo-fixer, I think I'm doing a fairly good job out of my writing and I actually do make an effort to write properly... Thanks for nothing... Laughs at "need more CPU/PG" and for "giving myself the answer", I merely stated whats happened, not WHY. So thank you for your well thought out response to the issue at hand and not least for your epic presentation of the probable change in gameplay mechanics as a result of this very limiting change. Edit: Oh sorry, I have never read the descriptions of any of the equipments, I have no idea how they actually work or what they cost to fit, I'll go educate myself next time before I post... Hey wait, I'm also from a non-english-speaking country. So what? I was joking. People are so god damn emotional. You didn't brought an issue up, friend. You are complaining about not being able to multitask with an assault suit. Assaults are here to shoot things and replenish their own ammo. You can also do other stuff with that infantry equip slot. If you want, you can specialize in Logi suits and make an "aggressive" logi. So you could have all the damn infantry slots you want for your god damn AV set, how's that? Now, answering me with attitude only makes you look silly. Agora, obrigado por ser mais um idiota que acha que +¬ o unico que fala outras linguas nessa porra.Llan Heindell.
LOL "writes something in what I assume is Portugese so I can't understand it, feels smarter about himself".
You're still only stating the very obvious....
Its not like there really are any form of argument in your post.
I complain about having less options and possible variations of gameplay, its a very legit complaint. The logi suits can be specced in a combat manner and be if not just as good, pretty close to the assault suits in regards to combat effectiveness. The assault suits gets a sidearm and a little more speed in return for losing so much of their tactical potential.
In my eyes, it will only be the tryhards that will still use the assault suits. Whats the point of losing all that flexibility just to fit a suit thats sligthly better in a gunfight? It makes no sence in my eyes....
Edit: What iI don't understand with this community is; "Why support a decision that limits the possible variations of gameplay?"
- It seems like the only argument is that the current logis out there needs this change to actually feel better about themselves? You know, to feel useful and such?
"We won't bother with pushing our gungame to the next level, lets nerf the slayers in a way that makes any decent group require our presence, then we will be needed by default, everybody wins..." |
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