DUST Search - Talking with your CPM Kain Spero

crazy space 1 wrote:

Sete Clifton wrote:

crazy space 1 wrote:

There are going to be 24 different proto suits, not counting any new suits they introduce in the next 5 years.each takes 5.5 million sp. That's 6 months.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you can make about 51K SP a day (without boosters). 5.5M/51K = about 108 days, which equals about 3.5 months.

Ah your right. But it still stands that as of now with 4 tanks 4 dropships, 24 suits, 8 lavs, dust is starting with 10 years of skills In just the basic gear , not even ccounting weapons and such. That's active training. But those are all x10 and higher skill requirements

In eve online there are only a very tiny handful of ships with this requirement level. Capital ships. What happens once that kind of stuff comes to dust ? Why are the frigates of dust capital ships ? What happens to power creep, when dust needs new skills for bigger stuff.

I'm sry I feel like I'm the only sane person on the forums today.

One last bit of comparison, to max out every frigate, tech 2 included, would take you 2 years. That's , 48 ships , and I was including the time tp max out all frigate sized tech 2 weapons and support skills.

2 years is a LONG TIME. and I love it. But to max put all 24 dropsuits will take 6 years, this is with zero weapon skills or support.


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Kain Spero Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1252	Posted - 2013.05.01 18:00:00 - [1] - Quote Hey guys, I'm still recovering from flying for 25 hours (I don't know how Grideris and the other Aussies are still alive) and getting my bearings. I'm pretty much always going to be available through kain_spero on Skype, so feel free to shoot me question an let's have a conversation. I don't have any illusions about knowing everything and it think it's vital for the CPM to consult field experts in regard to everything from specific weapons, suits, and vehicles to types of gameplay. I think the most valuable feedback will always come from the players. You can also send me a mail in game at Kane Spero (although this gets cluttered pretty fast) and email me at [email protected]. I look forward to hearing from you.
Kain Spero Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1252	Posted - 2013.05.01 18:05:00 - [2] - Quote Lord-of-the-Dreadfort wrote: you AND grideris are aussies ah man, time differences with the majority of players has to suck Nah, Atlanta stateside is my home base. I just got the short end of the stick on a buch of layovers.
Kain Spero Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1253	Posted - 2013.05.01 19:51:00 - [3] - Quote XXfootnoteXX wrote: I would love to know more about the plasma launcher. Honestly all the video's make that thing look horrible. Am I off base? It feels a little underwhelming. It reminds me a lot of the RPG in Battlefield 2.
Kain Spero Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1253	Posted - 2013.05.01 19:52:00 - [4] - Quote GeneralButtNaked wrote: The only question that matters to me is: Are you planning to be a CCP ball licker like IWS and Jenza or do you actually want to rep for the players? Time will tell, though I suspect that every CPM member was chosen based on their ability to do CCPs dirty work. Prove me wrong, but I won't hold my breath. The game and the players come first.
Kain Spero Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1255	Posted - 2013.05.01 20:00:00 - [5] - Quote Noc Tempre wrote: What are you going to be a bridge between said experts and CCP decision makers? What steps is CPM taking to ensure they don't become a filter with personal agendas? Serving as that bridge starts right here. I've already had a few people reach out to me on Skype as well. Come to me respectfully with your concerns and input and I'll be happy to listen and convey those concerns. If I see things that I will hurt the health of the game in the long run I will do everything in my power to stop it. Non of the meta game or all of the hard work all the us as testers have put into the game matters if Dust fails.
Kain Spero Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1255	Posted - 2013.05.01 20:03:00 - [6] - Quote crazy space 1 wrote: Hey I'm having an AFK event today with prizes, Are you willing to help kain? The idea is that since there is no reward for going into battle we should just get the same progress by playing other games we make up. LAV racing in the red zone, Hot potato games with gernades, mass nanohive and droplink dropship attack in the MCC. The goal btw is to get enough people to kill the dropship with gernades before the dropship can kill you!! I remember you saying you were interested in this, if you could help run events and gathers names so they can be entered to win I would be really grateful : D The prize is a free merc pack btw I actually don't support AFKing, but as long as Dusters are rewarded for the behavior I don't think they should be ostracized because of it. We need a system in place that ensures people are rewarded for actually fighting on the field (or flying troops to where they need to go). Any system that rewards people for doing nothing needs to be fixed.
Kain Spero Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1255	Posted - 2013.05.01 20:04:00 - [7] - Quote Rynx Sinfar wrote: Was there any talk between you guys about the complete skill / item list we've been begging for? Do you know if we can expect it before update? I'm pushing as hard as I can for this. I think you guys need as much information as possible in hand with the incoming Re-spec.
Kain Spero Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1255	Posted - 2013.05.01 20:09:00 - [8] - Quote Thumb Green wrote: Now on topic: Did you by chance notice the reload bug? I would imagine they would have fixed it but since it happens to me so freaking much in the current build I want to make sure it's dead. Also, lists, how much faster do they load? If there is one thing truly op in the current build it's the freaking list loading times. I didn't notice the reload bug myself in the new build, but as always report any bugs you find in the tech support forum and be as detailed as you can. The new build feels a lot snappier, but I'd like to see how it performs live.
Kain Spero Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1255	Posted - 2013.05.02 14:51:00 - [9] - Quote Noc Tempre wrote: But that is relying on the CPM members being responsibly actors. What checks and balances are you considering? I think the Single Transferable Vote system as used in electing CSM 8 is one way to mitigate dead weight candidates. I think the CPM will need to watch how CSM 8 develops and see how STV and merit -based travel impact the quality of the council. in the end I feel that the community and players should have their voices heard and any processes put into place ensure that everyone's vote counts and isn't tossed out on a whim.
Kain Spero Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1255	Posted - 2013.05.02 17:40:00 - [10] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: So Vehicles How ****** are we in uprising? There is a new feature called vehicle recall that I think will interest all drivers and pilots. I'm really pleased with some of the changes that have been made to dropships as well. To put it simple I may actually spec into dropships myself. I had a great time flying the assault variant during the Fanfest Tournament. I still think a lot of work needs to be done to give dropship pilots the WP they deserve for filling their roles though.

Kain Spero Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1257	Posted - 2013.05.02 18:04:00 - [11] - Quote crazy space 1 wrote: Sete Clifton wrote: crazy space 1 wrote: There are going to be 24 different proto suits, not counting any new suits they introduce in the next 5 years.each takes 5.5 million sp. That's 6 months. Correct me if I'm wrong, but you can make about 51K SP a day (without boosters). 5.5M/51K = about 108 days, which equals about 3.5 months. Ah your right. But it still stands that as of now with 4 tanks 4 dropships, 24 suits, 8 lavs, dust is starting with 10 years of skills In just the basic gear , not even ccounting weapons and such. That's active training. But those are all x10 and higher skill requirements In eve online there are only a very tiny handful of ships with this requirement level. Capital ships. What happens once that kind of stuff comes to dust ? Why are the frigates of dust capital ships ? What happens to power creep, when dust needs new skills for bigger stuff. I'm sry I feel like I'm the only sane person on the forums today. One last bit of comparison, to max out every frigate, tech 2 included, would take you 2 years. That's , 48 ships , and I was including the time tp max out all frigate sized tech 2 weapons and support skills. 2 years is a LONG TIME. and I love it. But to max put all 24 dropsuits will take 6 years, this is with zero weapon skills or support. The SP sink created by all of the suit variations is something that needs to be looked into. I think having the suits broken down by race is good, but that needs to be balanced with SP sink it creates.
Kain Spero Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1274	Posted - 2013.05.03 13:24:00 - [12] - Quote Captain-Awesome wrote: You've put your contact details on the forums, why? they will get lost in the sea of posts, never to be seen again. Ask CCP to give the CPM a dedicated page or arrange for somewhere we can easily find your data. Posting threads on the forums is just horn blowing. It's unstructured, hard to process and should only be used for recorded communication, not logging. I completely agree. A section of the forums specifically for the CPM and for players to bring concerns to the CPM would be fantastic. Instead of Jita Park the Caldari Prime DMZ or something.
Kain Spero Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1274	Posted - 2013.05.03 13:32:00 - [13] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Vehicle recall is the only impressive part of uprising We are ****** I'll be honest. I don't play the vehicle role in Dust very often and I think that the concerns of pilots and drivers alike should be addressed. I put many many hours into tank driving in BF2 and BF3. While that gives me perspective to point on a fraction of that knowledge translates into Dust. I would really like to have regular talks with the vehicle community (Mavado, Noc, Ragewardog, and many others). if you guys don't have good reasons for getting in your tanks and dropships then I end up not having targets. That is a lose/lose situation. As an AV player you guys showing up and providing a challenge is one of the major things that gives me a purpose in Dust.
Kain Spero Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1274	Posted - 2013.05.03 13:39:00 - [14] - Quote Sephirian Fair wrote: Sephirian Fair wrote: Hey Kain. Speaking of Dropships, would you happened to have looked at the control schemes? I haven't heard anyone else mention anything about it, but I'm anxiously waiting to hear if the Southpaw control scheme was re-implemented, or if the Legacy Southpaw scheme was added. I am completely incapable of flying aircraft on Default controls, so I was grounded at the beginning of the current build when they removed the Southpaw control schemes. Despite the perceived faults of the Assault Dropships, I am still interested in trying them out, but the control scheme is absolutely necessary for me. Thanks. ^_^ Just restating this because it was probably just missed. Any confirmation about Southpaw schemes would be appreciated. I remember seeing various control schemes for infantry, but I honestly can't remember of the top of my head in regards to dropships. I ended up flying the assault dropship using default controls on the DS3.
Kain Spero Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1274	Posted - 2013.05.03 13:46:00 - [15] - Quote Sir Meode wrote: You should make a chat channel and invite some tankers to it to chat about ideas and improvements. it would also be nice to have a few dedicated AV users in there aswell to hear both sides of the story This is a good idea. I think I have maxed out the number of Eve-side channels I can create. I'll check when I get home today.
Kain Spero Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1276	Posted - 2013.05.03 16:45:00 - [16] - Quote Noc Tempre wrote: How do you feel about CCP monetizing SP instead of the "time, convenience, and cosmetic" only promise? https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=71470&find=unread And don't bother with the "player trading" excuse because the game is launching this month and even if it is in the next patch, that's 6 more months away. I will say that I don't think player trading is an excuse, I think that player trading is VITAL to transitioning the game into a successful "pay to grind less" model. In my opinion player trading being pushed to 6 months down the line is unacceptable, but back to the issue of monetizing SP. Some may feel that the SP issue has been largely settled by moving to the weekly cap, but I think this is far from correct. I know there are many out there that are much more attuned to traditional FPS games and see the current soft cap as nothing more than keeping players from competing and advancing their characters the way that they want. Take that issue and throw in potential SP sinks by creating racial suit differences with deep SP costs, unacceptably high monthly prices points for boosting both passive and active SP even for loyal customers, and I think you end up with a situation where players feel that they are being gouged and exploited. I would say rightly so. I think CCP monetizing SP is fine, BUT is must be done at a reasonable price point and in a equitable way. Personally, I hope the version of the Omega Booster that gave the user x2 passive and active SP never sees the light of day in that form. I have some thoughts on how to address this, but I feel that is something that is deserving of it's own thread and discussion. I haven't had a chance to go through the ideas put forward in "Paying yet Grinding Anyway - Discussing Boosters", but I would like to review the discussion taking place there as well. As always please feel free to reach out to me on Skype at Kain_Spero as this is probably one of the best ways to get in touch with me.