Yea i tend to agree. It should be interesting to see with the elimination of certain skills and the reduction in multipliers for others, the only thing left to determine if any skills got an increase if not then that means my SP is going to get a lot of mileage.

After 255M SP though a lot i doubt is whats needed for every skills thats included in the Uprising build but rather all future skills and weapons CCP plans to add.

After all 255MP SP assuming 30M SP generation/year=8.5years.

Considering i have over 10M in 4 months thats where i get 30M from.

High end 12 so lets lets 40M/yr as an real super level of grinding is 6.4 years.

[quote=Garrett Blacknova]


For the record i dont mind the grind but as garrett pointed out the grind it to get players to get used to the in-game mechanincs.
Well a fully maxed character takes 6-8 years based on if what IWS said is accurate about 255M SP. Sorry i nor should any reasonable individual need 6-8 years of training to become accustomed to in game mechanic. A year of skill training would be equally sufficient to that end.

[quote=Keyser Soze VerbalKint]
In MMO especially open world MMO there is room for those hyperspecialty roles in MMO parties that allow them to play that role because they have a use far more often and because numbers arent limited by a lobby system you can still populate it with the main role types you need.


In a lobby shooter the player limit will determine the utility of role players. Look at 8v8, if anyone thinks that heavies and tanks and all that jazz is useful should play IMP A team of 6 slayers 1 logi 1 tank and tell me how it goes.

16 v 16 yea, you can add in 1-2 heavies and maybe either a tank team or AV team. But think about those roles and ask yourself if there are not tanks what good is AV and vice versa. Same with heavies same with snipers, lazers and others. You think AR's are dominant now wait till people have to spend a crap ton of SP to be good at one of these specialty roles and they find themselves useful in only a limited handful of scenarios. FPS players want to play and be useful and will spend their SP in a manner that will allow that.

next update is adding 4 more years of skills, next will add another 3, you know this right?

Also You don't have to put all your point in one thing, you can build your sp around your player skill. But if you have no skill yes, you'll have to rely on skill points to help you win.

Personally i have skill so I don't mind having multiple set ups for different situations and then max them out. Maxxing out is dumb btw, while you spend 4 million sp to get one level 5 skill, a new player gets 4 million sp worth of support skills and such.

Also you talk to much for saying a lot of nothing

The gap between new and old is balanced by the level 5 cap. You can only get SO MANY skill points into any single skill, then you simply have to train something else. The older players will be able to do a ton more things proficiently, but the new guy's SP in any one role can be the same.

If CCP wants to help noobs as the years progress, they'll start grouping pub matches by SP cap and that solves almost all problems.

Said a Zion scrub.

In the meantime ill just wait till after the next buid drops to give you my i told you so as you see any player with real player skill stop speccing into any roles other than assualt or logi